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Tying a turban
Anonymous
10/29/01 at 18:10:17
What are the ways you can tie a turban? i am looking for instruction on how to tie in islamic style

Re: Tying a turban
mujaahid
10/30/01 at 06:42:02
I know this dont anwer the question. But reading the topic heading, something occured to me. Turban, if it slowly evolves produces....well lets evolve it and see! Turban Tarban Talban Taliban I guess its a bit pointless, but hey, the worlds a crazy place ;)

Re: Tying a turban
se7en
10/30/01 at 10:11:10
as salaamu alaykum, mujaahid you're crazy :P  Anonymous, don't worry, you don't have to be part of the Taliban to wear a turban. I *love* imama's. I think they are awesome.  I've done my bro's a couple times - it just takes some practice. First, wear a kufi, tilted a little more forward on your forehead than you would wear normally. Then, take the cloth and make a 'tail' - hold the cloth up to the back of your head, with like a foot or so of the end of the material trailing down your neck.  Hope this makes sense :)  You're holding the cloth vertically, with the end of it being your tail.  You can make the tail longer, depending on the size of the material.     Then, while holding that tail in place, start to twist the rest of the material all the way around your head.  You'll probably be able to do this three of four times.  Don't twist too much (because it'll get too big and wierd looking), and you want it to be smooth around your forehead.  Tuck the end bit underneath the tail. Then tilt the kufi back a couple inches, so the whole thing sits properly on your head.  Smooth out the tail, and if it's really long, it looks nice if you bring it to the front, on your right side.  If you're traveling/doing something and the tail is long enough to get in your way, toss it across your other shoulder.   And that's it :)  You'll be stylin for next jummah inshaAllah ;) It should look something like this: [img]http://meccacentric.com/Mohktar%202.gif[/img] (that's my imam :) :) :)) take care wasalaamu alaykum. ps -- just found a cool site, with pictures, on how to tie a turban -- the turban is kinda sikh-looking though, but if you just make less twists and don't make it so big, you should be aiite inshaAllah:  [url]http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Other_Articles_V_Turban.pdf[/url]

Re: Tying a turban
kiwi25
10/30/01 at 16:17:30
salam, thanks se7en for that info because my brother is always coming up to me asking how do i do this, like i noe... hehe nice pic hehe ----- thats my imam too :)! wasalam, nouha:)

Re: Tying a turban
Arsalan
10/30/01 at 16:54:47
[slm] I guess there are different ways to tie a turban (it's an art actually, I think).  I like the way Hamza Yusuf ties it. It's different from this style.  This is a whole lot simpler and easier to do though.

Re: Tying a turban
se7en
10/30/01 at 17:27:57
wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatAllah, I think his is more Moroccan style? I think you can get this look if you use a wider material.. [img]http://www.muslimpoet.com/images/hamza.jpg[/img] [img]http://quran.mumtazpost.com/KNOWLEDGE_OF_ISLAM/pictures/scholars/hamza_yusuf_1.jpg[/img]

Re: Tying a turban
Arsalan
10/30/01 at 17:36:07
[slm] Yeah!  That's what I'm talking about :) The second one seems different from the first one though, and better.  Doesn't it?

Re: Tying a turban
BroHanif
10/30/01 at 17:38:50
Nah I like the way the Imam has done it.  Classic man. And is that Hamza Yusuf with the Moroccan style ?

Re: Tying a turban
Marcie
10/30/01 at 19:18:55
As salamu alaykum, According to my source all of these turban styles are Algerian.  The first one that Iman Hamza is wearing is Berber style. Moroccans don't wear turbans, their jilbabs have hoods that they pull up. As salamu alaykum Marcie

Re: Tying a turban
se7en
10/30/01 at 22:32:56
as salaamu alaykum, [quote]The second one seems different from the first one though, and better.  [/quote] Yeah.  I think it depends on the bro's head though :P How is the second one done? [quote]According to my source all of these turban styles are Algerian. [/quote] br Mokhtar is Algerian, so that explains why his turban is Algerian too :) [quote]Moroccans don't wear turbans, their jilbabs have hoods that they pull up.[/quote] I see.  Hmm.. I guess I thought it was Moroccan style because he's wearing a Moroccan jilbab?  My bad.

Re: Tying a turban
mujaahid
10/31/01 at 12:26:57
Like Hamza's Turban. Also like the way he's styled his goatee!!! (runs for cover) (then comes back as Mujaahid realises they are using American weapons so thier not likely to hit him) ;-)

Re: Tying a turban
Arsalan
10/31/01 at 14:20:22
[slm][quote]Also like the way he's styled his goatee!!! (runs for cover)[/quote]What do you mean??  Explain yourself.

Re: Tying a turban
se7en
11/01/01 at 16:21:35
From the Qur'an: [color=black] O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah, for Allah is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful. [/color] From the Madina Constitution: [quote]Anything insulting any other person(s), groups, organizations, fellow posters or moderators will be removed. [/quote] Be careful.

Re: Tying a turban
mujaahid
11/02/01 at 06:17:51
Not really causing Fitnah, just saying that i know when a goatee has been styled. I know a lot of you dont like anything against Hamza Yusuf, and i aint dissing him, just making a clear observation, which you have to be blind not to see. He was recently on the BBC newsnight program and they had crystal Clear picture quality, and it was clear beyond doubt that his goatee was styled, and not naturally growing that way. If this comment is gona cause trouble, then please respond to me by sending an instant message. Anyone who saw that interview can see it! Dont judge a man by his outward appearance, true. But please dont deny something that is so clear to see, unless your blind! I know many muslims who style thier beards, yet it dont affect thier imaan. And they admit they style it. They dont have people defending them saying its not styled. So please lets not deny the truth. Peace out.

Re: Tying a turban
Arsalan
11/02/01 at 11:52:32
[slm] Brother mujaahid, I have serious issues with some things that you have written.  [quote]I know a lot of you dont like anything against Hamza Yusuf[/quote]I don't think that's true.  It doesn't have to do with Hamza Yusuf.  It could have been *any* Muslim.  I wrote once before about having adab towards people of knowledge.  Frankly, criticizing they way a Muslim grooms his beard *behind is back* seems to lack all adab in my opinion.  Do you disagree?[quote]If this comment is gona cause trouble, then please respond to me by sending an instant message[/quote]Akhi, you know very well that "this comment is gonna cause trouble."  Otherwise you wouldn't have said "runs for cover."  Moreover, it's clearly written in the Madina Constitution.  And finally, such a comment goes against everything we're taught in Islam.  Talking bad about a fellow Muslim brother behind his back is definitely "gona cause trouble."  [quote]But please dont deny something that is so clear to see, unless your blind![/quote]Who denied the fact that he has a goatee?  And who said he doesn't groom a goatee?  I think someone mentioned in previous posts a reason why he keeps a goatee.  I have seen enough Hamza Yusuf lectures on video to know that hair does grow on his cheeks, but very light.  But my question is ... so what?  So what if he has kept a goatee?  What's the big deal??  Alot of scholars believe that growing the beard is only sunnah, not wajib.  Alot of scholars also believe that although growing some form of beard is wajib, it is not specified how long or short it should be.  And then there are those scholars who believe that the beard should be left alone completely, untouched, as long as it's not longer than two fists' length.  Finally, there are scholars who believe that a beard should be left alone, period. If he, after his research (and asking a mujtahid, I'm sure), has decided to follow a certain opinion for himself, then what is it to you bro?  It's between him and his Lord isn't it?  Why do you care what type of beard a brother has? It is attitudes like this that keep thousands of Muslims away from the Masaajid!  Because when they finally fight their nafs (soul) to enter it one day, they are confronted by brothers like you who jump up and down their throats and say "astaghfirullah, you have a goatee" or "astaghfirullah, how dare you wear an earring in the masjid." Actually, even confronting a brother in his face would be better than what you're doing bro.  Because what you're doing is talking about it behind his back, not in his face ..[quote]Peace out[/quote]Wa'alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Re: Tying a turban
Mujaahid
11/02/01 at 12:44:26
as salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi ta'ala wa barakaatuh Masha Allaah brother Arsalan I think is correct in that a Muslim should not suspect another of something because 1. he may not be doing that thing, and 2. he may be permitted to do that under shari'ah due to a reason which is not visible or known. And whether Hamza Yusuf has the beard or not, or shaves it or whatever is a matter that should not be discussed behind his back, as Arsalan has stated, because that is not the manners of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil nor is it possible to make the conclusion on whether the person is right or wrong without speaking to him/her so it should not be discussed and left. However akhi Arsalan just as you had some major issues with regards what brother mujaahid had said I have one major issue with regards something you said and feel it needs the clarification because it can mislead seriously. You had said: "Alot of scholars believe that growing the beard is only sunnah, not wajib" Who akhi? Can you bring the names or evidences of those major scholars, and please bring the major ones as the small amount of evidence that I am to show is from those "original" mujtahid of the deen, who said that one can shave the beard *as long as* one does not have an excuse under shari'ah. Whether an individual can shave or not can be dependant on the individual circumstance and the ruling may not apply to an individual circumstance which is why we do not speak about individuals, but the collective command on the men of the Ummah is to have the beard. I mention here *have* and not *leave* since you were right in saying whether to trim to length is a difference of opinion, but I am not aware of any of those major scholars in the past of the salaf or khalaf or of the major scholars of the contemporary 'Ulama who have said that the collective ruling is that one can shave the beard, or that it is only sunnah to have the beard. To continue. The Hanafis: They say that it is forbidden for a man to shave his beard, and they have instructed shaving any excessive hair over a handful; cutting anything from what is less than a handful is not allowed. The Malikies: They ruled on the prohibition of shaving the beard, as well as shortening it if this would result in any disfigurement. If cutting parts of it when it gets too long would not result in any disfigurement, then it is allowed. However, some said that this would be Makrooh (undesirable). The Shafi'is: They said that shaving the beard is Makrooh (undesirable), although Ibn Al-Rif'ah opposed this ruling, and said that Imam Ash-Shafi'i has stated in his book "Al-Umm" that this is Haram, not just Makrooh. Al-Athra'iy said that the correct opinion amongst the Shafi'is is that shaving it is Haram, unless it had defects. The Hanbalis: They ruled that shaving the beard is forbidden. No disagreement about this has been reported in the Hanbali school of thought, as stated in "Al-Insaf". Imam Ibn Hazm said: "And they (scholars) have agreed that shaving the beard is a disfigurement, and is not allowed". [Al-Muhallah, 2/189] Sheikhul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah also stated that: "Shaving the beard is forbidden". [Al-Ikhtiyarat Al-Ilmiyyah, page 6]. Ibn Abdul-Barr stated in his book "At-Tamheed" that shaving the beard is Haram and that it is only done by the effeminate (those who imitate women). Many of the recent scholars have also ruled on the prohibition of shaving the beard and the necessity of growing it. Among these scholars are: Sheikh Al-Albany in his book "Adaab Az-Zafaf", and his students, Sheikh Ali Mahfooz in his book "Al-Ibdaa'", Sayid Sabiq in his book "Fiqhus-Sunnah", Mahmoud Al-Istanbuli in his book "Tuhfatul Arous", Al-Qaradawi in his book "The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam", Sheikh Ismail Al-Ansari as well as all the scholars of the Arabian Peninsula who clearly ruled and explained the prohibition of shaving the beard in their books and lectures. And if we were to state the opinions of the different scholars in this matter, the whole issue of this magazine will not be sufficient, although we believe that the above should be sufficient for those who are sincere in looking for the truth. [From a piece by Bilal al-Zuhri] I specifically had chosen this work because it summarises without going into exessive details, because I have seen from the books of each Madhab the ruling with regard to the beard, and from my limited knowledge, but also from the knowledge of brothers who have oceans more than me, I am not aware of the consensus in either Madhab being that it is permissible to shave the beard and not have it. Insha Allaah it is possible to open the books of the Hanafis, the Shaf'aees, the Malikis and the Hanbalees which explain those schools with regards to the beard in specific and the fitrah in general, and to see they do not allow for the men not to keep the beard. (Which is defined by consensus as being a minimum of that hair which covers the cheeks, chin and lower part of the jaws). Really this concept of shaving the beard was absolutely unheard of in the Ummah before 1900 - you would not find the men arguing about this aspect of the deen, so I think it is useful to study the history to shed light on that, and at least to study to books of fiqh from the four schools, which are fairly clear and in consensus on this matter. And I am talking of the necessity to have the beard, not about it's length or shape, for that as you have stated akhi, is a difference of opinion, but on the existence of the beard at all, I think there is not much difference on that matter. Allaahu alam akhi, this is only from what I know or have passed to you of what others know, and I dont ever pretend to be a scholar - may Allaah guide us all to gain His pleasure. was salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi ta'ala wa barakaatuh

Re: Tying a turban
mujaahid
11/02/01 at 13:34:09
Arsalan I think you have got my intentions wrong somewhere. I was not dissing Hamza Yusuf. I was making a comment on his beard. Did i once say anything dissing him in regards to his imaan or his comments? No. I simply said i am certain his beard is groomed, because so many muslims claim its not groomed. That is not dissing someone, but making a point. If i was dissing him i would have said "he grooms his beard because he is an X, Y and Z" yet i said nothing of the sorts. I simply said he grooms his beard, and i said it because many people claim he does not! "Frankly, criticizing they way a Muslim grooms his beard *behind is back* seems to lack all adab in my opinion." I didnt diss him. I simply made a comment on his beard. Why do his people seem so sensitive towards any comment made about him? In your opinion its a sign of lack of Adab, fair enough, therefore your claim also means we cannot say anything about anyone unless they are present on this board. That means talk of ALL people who do not post here should be banned. After all wouldnt that mean we're talking behind thier backs? "Akhi, you know very well that "this comment is gonna cause trouble."  Otherwise you wouldn't have said "runs for cover." " I made the comment about running for cover because i KNEW that ANYTHING about Hamza Yusuf, any comment or observation is met with a hostile response from some people here. And as i predicted, it came. ".  Alot of scholars also believe that although growing some form of beard is wajib, it is not specified how long or short it should be" Brother their is CLEAR PROOF, Conclusive proof beyond doubt that the beard must be allowed to grow, and should be at least the lenght of a cleanched fist. Thier is SAHIH Hadith on this. How then can ANY scholar claim its only sunnah to grow a beard? That comment contradicts a sahih hadith! A hadith which is clear and conclusive! "It's between him and his Lord isn't it?  Why do you care what type of beard a brother has?" I care because it annoys me when people claim "oh Hamaza dont groom his beard, it just grows like that, so dont say anything about it, he dont do nothing to his beard". So its not me being unreasonable to say he DOES groom it. ""astaghfirullah, you have a goatee" or "astaghfirullah, how dare you wear an earring in the masjid." Really? So when did i critisize Hamsa for his goatee? If you actually read what i wrote, you will see knowhere did i critisize him for having a goatee. In fact i quite clearly stated that having a certain type of beard dont affect your iman. Sadly i suspect you chose not to read that bit. Bro knee jerk reactions get us knowhere. And its not people like me who cause the problem. Muslims are often in a bad state because they fear going to seek help from bro's who they feel may have knowledge, even small, because they suspect a knee jerk reaction, and expect to be critisized. Muslims are now afraid to ask, because they suspect, rightly so, that its quite possible they will get a good going over for making any kind of comment. Therefore people stay in ignorance are prefer to stay away. Issues must be dealt with, simply trying to shout someone down and brushing it under the carpet gets knowone knowhere. Sadly the Ummah is plagued with this. Sadly the ummah is a joke at the moment. Just look at the kuffar laughing at the destruction in afghanistan, look at them laughing at the muslims who across the world who are helpless and powerless to do anything. Why? because we all sat back for many years, and when trouble started, we are in no position to do ANYTHING, because we NEVER dealt with any issues. These Kuffar nations have had their disagreements and troubles with each other, and in a strange way they dealt with it and now they help each other out. We muslims just sit on our backsides and avoid discussing or solving ANYHTNING controversial, and so the doubts always remain, the mistrust always remains, no bonds are ever formed. And when trouble does start, we can do nothing but watch muslims be butcherd in front of our eyes. And all we do, all were able to do is burn a few flags. Wow. What are the enemies doing? Bombing us to the ground! And its always gona be like this until we start facing upto the issues which keep the Ummah divided. Until then burning US flags is all we can do.

Re: Tying a turban
Arsalan
11/02/01 at 15:17:15
[slm] [quote]You had said: "Alot of scholars believe that growing the beard is only sunnah, not wajib" Who akhi?[/quote]This is from Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi's [i]Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam.[/i]  The chapter is called "Letting the Beard Grow"  (note: this is only a small *portion* from that chapter): "Thus, we note that there are three opinions with regard to shaving of the beard: one, that it is haram, which is the opinion of Ibn Taymiyyah and others; two, that it is makruh, the opinion of Ayyad as mentioned in [i]Al-Fatah al-Bari[/i] but of no one else; ajd three, that it is permitted, which is the opinion of some modern scholars.  Perhaps the second opinoin, that it is makruh, is nearer to the truth and more moderate.  As the stated reason for growing the beard is to be different from the non-believers, it is similar to the matter of dyeing gray hair in order to be distinct from teh Jews and Christians; it is known that some of the sahabah did not dye their gray hair, signifying that it was commendable rather than obligatory.  Similarly, growing the beard may be regarded as commendable but not obligatory, and accordingly, shaving it would be classified as makruh rather than haram.  It is true that none of the sahaabah was known to have shaved his beard.  Perhaps there was no need to shave, and perhaps growing the beard was a custom among them." I would request that the discussion on beards be stopped right here.  This topic should not be prolonged on the board because it is a fiqhi topic, with differences of opinon among the scholars (as br. Mujahid - capital M - shows in his post along with this excerpt from Shaykh Qaradawi's book).  Jazak Allahu Khairan. Brother mujahid (small m -- Nazir Ismail) said:[quote]Arsalan I think you have got my intentions wrong somewhere. I was not dissing Hamza Yusuf. I was making a comment on his beard. Did i once say anything dissing him in regards to his imaan or his comments? No. I simply said i am certain his beard is groomed, because so many muslims claim its not groomed. [/quote]Alhamdulillah!  I guess I *jumped* to a (wrong) conclusion then.  Definitely something I should not have done.  I apologize for that yaa akhee, and I hope that my mistake will be overlooked.  Barakallahu lak.  May Allah bless you and give you health and hikmah. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Re: Tying a turban
BroHanif
11/02/01 at 16:11:39
Brother mujahid, I must say that last post was great... its good to see the spirit alive in the brothers. Less talk, MORE ACTION. [quote]It is true that none of the sahaabah was known to have shaved his beard.  Perhaps there was no need to shave, and perhaps growing the beard was a custom among them." [/quote] At the time of the prophet saws, people used to shave tjhe beards and keep moustaches. There was also an incident where two people were sent to pick up the noble prophet saws and these two people had moustaches(i'll try and find out about this more). It is also a sign of the mushrik to keep a moustache. Just keep a beard and let it grow. Beautify your faces Bros, in accordance with the prophet i.e. keep a beard. Salaams Hanif

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se7en
11/03/01 at 02:03:19
as salaamu alaykum, [quote]I was making a comment on his beard[/quote] My biggest question is.. *why* would you feel the need to make a comment on the brother's beard in the first place?  What relevance does that have to *anything*, especially in a thread about the way brothers tie their turbans? [quote] Why do his people seem so sensitive towards any comment made about him? [/quote] Hmm.. this is the second time you've made this comment.  You can check out the response I gave to this before [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=4737]here[/url], but I'll just reiterate myself to make sure things are clear inshaAllah. I don't think people are sensitive to the comment you made because it was *about* Hamza Yusuf.  I think people are sensitive to it because it's just a pretty wack comment to make.  If you made that same comment about br. Arsalan, br. Arshad, br. Kashif, or any other brother I know that is sincere in his efforts in Islam, I think I'd be just as upset, sensitive or hostile. I think we should just keep in mind the hadeeth that says that the best type of Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand other Muslims are safe.  There are SO many more positive and beneficial things we can do with our time than spend it speculating on these sort of things, better things we can do with our eyes than evaluating and judging our brothers and sisters, and with our tongues than using them to make such comments that will bring about nothing beneficial. On a side note.. if you truly take issue with the way a brother dresses or acts, is the way to correct him broadcasting his faults on a public forum?  It's common, basic adab to correct that person in private, and not to criticize that person. [quote] In your opinion its a sign of lack of Adab, fair enough, therefore your claim also means we cannot say anything about anyone unless they are present on this board. That means talk of ALL people who do not post here should be banned. After all wouldnt that mean we're talking behind thier backs? [/quote] Yeah.  That's actually our policy on the board bro.  There have been *many* threads that have been locked, many posts that have been edited or deleted, because they contained comments that were insulting of other Muslims.  We try to be very consistent, fair, and unemotional in our implementation of this policy.   [quote]I made the comment about running for cover because i KNEW that ANYTHING about Hamza Yusuf, any comment or observation is met with a hostile response from some people here. And as i predicted, it came. [/quote] Again, I don't know where you're getting this notion from.  If you make a comment about *anyone* people respect, of course you're going to get a hostile response.  It's like making a comment about someone's mother.. what sort of response do you expect if not a hostile one? [quote]Brother their is CLEAR PROOF, Conclusive proof beyond doubt that the beard must be allowed to grow, and should be at least the lenght of a cleanched fist. Thier is SAHIH Hadith on this. How then can ANY scholar claim its only sunnah to grow a beard? That comment contradicts a sahih hadith! A hadith which is clear and conclusive! [/quote] As was stated, this is an issue scholars have very clear opinions about.  I don't think it's a good idea for us to get into a discussion of this here, especially when it's not the main issue that needs to be addressed here. [quote]I care because it annoys me when people claim "oh Hamaza dont groom his beard, it just grows like that, so dont say anything about it, he dont do nothing to his beard". So its not me being unreasonable to say he DOES groom it. [/quote] Well, the next time someone makes such a claim, and you find yourself compelled to let them know that you know the *truth* about this man's lahya, feel free to discuss it with that person.  Why is such a comment made on a public forum, in a thread about tying a turban? [quote]Really? So when did i critisize Hamsa for his goatee? If you actually read what i wrote, you will see knowhere did i critisize him for having a goatee. In fact i quite clearly stated that having a certain type of beard dont affect your iman. Sadly i suspect you chose not to read that bit. [/quote] Again, why then make such a comment?  What good comes out of it?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind it. [quote]Bro knee jerk reactions get us knowhere. And its not people like me who cause the problem. Muslims are often in a bad state because they fear going to seek help from bro's who they feel may have knowledge, even small, because they suspect a knee jerk reaction, and expect to be critisized. Muslims are now afraid to ask, because they suspect, rightly so, that its quite possible they will get a good going over for making any kind of comment. Therefore people stay in ignorance are prefer to stay away. [/quote] That's true.. we should strive to correct people with hikmah and compassion.. whether that be one another on the board here, in real life interaction, or when addressing a problem you have with a well known figure in the Muslim community. And also.. the way we shape certain comments triggers certain reactions from people.  It doesn't mean it's ok for a person to react in a rude or hostile way, but this might mean you should phrase your comments differently or hold your tongue altogether. [quote]Issues must be dealt with, simply trying to shout someone down and brushing it under the carpet gets knowone knowhere. Sadly the Ummah is plagued with this. Sadly the ummah is a joke at the moment. Just look at the kuffar laughing at the destruction in afghanistan, look at them laughing at the muslims who across the world who are helpless and powerless to do anything. Why? because we all sat back for many years, and when trouble started, we are in no position to do ANYTHING, because we NEVER dealt with any issues.[/quote] I'm assuming your joking here.. because I don't see how the shape and cut of one man's beard could *ever* be regarded as "an issue".  The reason we're in the sick condition we are in today is because we occupy so much of our time and energy with things that are of no concern to us, that have no benefit, or that we don't know enough about to take on seriously.  And I think this thread is a perfect example of this. [quote]These Kuffar nations have had their disagreements and troubles with each other, and in a strange way they dealt with it and now they help each other out.[/quote] Indeed.. they don't spend their time evaluating, judging, and speculating about each other.  They get together and get the job done.. and they're doing a *damn* good job spreading their sharr the world over.  And what are we doing?  Constantly struggling to keep our discourse from being stifled by arguments, deconstructive criticism, and petty insults. [quote]We muslims just sit on our backsides and avoid discussing or solving ANYHTNING controversial, and so the doubts always remain, the mistrust always remains, no bonds are ever formed.[/quote] We Muslims have a habit of sitting on our backsides and criticizing anything and everything that comes our way, and we do very little to change the condition of the world around us.  If there was one root cause for why we as an ummah are suffering the way we are, I think it has to do with this.   Our tongues are sharp and our minds are dull.  Our hands are soft and our hearts are rough.   We need to take the time to understand even rudimentary concepts in Islam - like, not harming our brother or sister with our tongue or our hand - before we can even take on controversial issues. I do agree with you on taking on such issues though.. I think scholars, and those equipped with 'ilm, should not avoid aspects of Islam that need to be addressed seriously. But you and me?  Who can't even talk about the beard without getting into trouble?  How are we gonna do anything?   As br Assing once quoted, if ignorant people avoided scholarly discourses, disagreement will end. [quote]And when trouble does start, we can do nothing but watch muslims be butcherd in front of our eyes. And all we do, all were able to do is burn a few flags. Wow. What are the enemies doing? Bombing us to the ground! And its always gona be like this until we start facing upto the issues which keep the Ummah divided. Until then burning US flags is all we can do. [/quote] What's the solution then?  Criticizing our leaders? Look.. you wanna be a good Muslim?  You feel helpless as you hear news of innocent Afghani's being killed everday?  Your heart throbbing in your chest, tears in your eyes, and you feel such an incredible wave of despair and helplessness you don't know what to do with yourself? The solution to this is not to lash out at our leaders.  It's not to target or blame a particular group of Muslims.  It's not to burn American flags.   It's to perform two raka'ah in the stillness of night, raise your hands in dua and beg your Creator for 'affiyah and rahma.  It's to do whatever you can with whatever you possess to stand up against injustice, to stand up against the murder of your brothers and sisters, and call deluded and misguided people to what is right. Man, I hate this.  I hate having to deal with this now.  If there were ever a time I thought we would watch our tongues, guard ourselves from saying anything against our fellow Muslims, I thought it would be now.  I thought this would make us all work together to brave the ibtilaa Allah has decreed for us. We have a long way to go.

Re: Tying a turban
flyboy_nz
11/03/01 at 05:08:09
asalaamu alaikum, back to the subject of turbans, I haven't seen too many muslims down this part of the world with them on.  Does anyone know where turbans originated from?  what is the reason for wearing one? maybe I'm ignorant, but I gotta learn somehow :) wasalaam, Ahmed

Re: Tying a turban
Merimda
11/03/01 at 11:48:53
Salam, I recently read an interesting quote by Confucius..this thread just reminded me of it..This is not targeted to any one person...I don't mean to offend anyone..so if I have please forgive me bc that was not my intention...this whole discussion just prompted me to post it.. Zingong said: "Does not the Gentleman also have his hatreds?" Confucius replied, "Yes, he has his hatreds. He hates those who harp on the weak points of others. He hates those who are base and yet slander those who are exalted. He hates those who are bold but do not observe the proprieties. He hates those who are brash and daring yet have limited out look." Confucius then asked: "You have your hatreds, do you not?" Zigong replied, "I hate those who are imprudent and consider it courage. I hate those who leak out secrets and consider it honesty." **** About turbans..I always thought that turbans originated from the Arabs bc of the environment they lived in..to protect their heads from the heat of the sun.. I like turbans..When I think of turbans I think of a warrior with a turban wrapped around his canonical helmet a in long robe.. sword raised above his head and riding a slick black stallion charging the enemy.. with his cape billowing..*sigh*..those were men.. err don't mind me...

Re: Tying a turban
Hania
11/03/01 at 12:22:55
Assalamu alaikum I think in sister sevens picture Hamza Yusof looks dead handsome mashAllah. (blush, shame, blush). Hania Anonymous.

Re: Tying a turban
Merimda
11/04/01 at 01:09:15
[quote]Assalamu alaikum I think in sister sevens picture Hamza Yusof looks dead handsome mashAllah. (blush, shame, blush). Hania Anonymous. [/quote] Salam, Lol..Hania...that was cute..your post made me laugh.. ^_^.. salam, merimda

Re: Tying a turban
BroHanif
11/04/01 at 06:51:40
At the time of the Shabas, Abu Bakr R.A. told the people only obey me until I obey Allah. At the time of Hazrat Umar R.A., Umar R.A. was once giving a kutbah and he mentioned something about himself i.e. if there was any crokedness in him. A person stood up from the congreation and said to him O Umar R.A. if there was any crokedness in you, we would have used our swords against you. Umar R.A. praised Allah and said that he is happy that there are people amongst him who have such qualities. We should invite to good and forbid evil, use soft kind words that invite people to good. Sometimes we may have to stop evil action with the use of force, again this should be done with ilm and hikmat and we should not trangress the limits. We have forgotten lot of things in our deen and sadly we ourselves are to blame. I also see very soon in the Muslims that there is going to be much killing. Much killing in the world, b4 our problems are resolved. [quote]Our tongues are sharp and our minds are dull.  Our hands are soft and our hearts are rough. [/quote] Couldn't agree more. Your post made me laugh Sis Hania, man Hamza's a lucky guy to have so many admirers, man I'm jealous, better get the imamah on. :). Islaam does allow 4 wives. Salaams Hanif
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