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Who to attack?
Anik
11/04/01 at 21:46:32
aslaamu alaikum, I was reading in a commentary in the back of my Qu'ran that it is obligatory upon us to attack and fight Al-Jihad on two groups of people: 1) those who attack and fight us, and 2) those who worship others than Allah Subhana.  It said that we should fight these two groups until they sumbit and embrace Islam, or come under our protection, or reconcile. My question is about the second group... can you please enlighten me on this? If a muslim village was beside a kaffir, polytheistic, idol-worshipping village (even if they are peaceful) would it be right to (or obligatory to) attack them to propagate Islam (considering the kaffirs refused to accept Islam)? What if both factions lived in the same city? When is it right for muslims to establish their government over an existing kaffir government? What are the actions to follow for this?asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,.

Re: Who to attack?
Arsalan
11/04/01 at 23:28:02
[slm] Br. Abdullah, please read this post carefully.  If anything confuses you, please ask for a clarification.  If it fails to answer your questions, please ask them again in this same thread.  The reason I'm saying all this is because I think most of your questions about jihaad have been answered completely in different threads.  But because no complete answer has come from a single person in *one* thread, I think it has left you confused and hanging.  And this is the reason why you continue to ask the same questions.  Wallahu a'lam. There are two kinds of combative jihaad.  (We know, of course, that the word jihaad itself does not mean "fighting" or "war."  Jihaad literally means struggle, and there are many aspects of struggle that range from the individual level to the social level to the level of the entire ummah.  One aspect of jihaad - one of many aspects - is combative jihaad). 1. Defensive Jihaad 2. Offensive Jihaad Defensive jihaad is incumbent on those Muslims who are attacked by an enemy for unjust cause.  It is incumbent for those Muslims to fight the aggressors to safeguard their property (which is a trust from Allah to them), their families, their people, and their land (which is the land of Muslims, another trust from Allah).  This jihaad is obligatory upon those Muslims that are attacked.  [Note: this is the general rule, and there may very well be exceptions to this rule based on the circumstances]. Offensive jihaad cannot be fought without two things: 1. The presence of a recognized, established Islamic state/leadership. 2. The ordainment from this State/leadership for its citizens to partake offensive jihaad. Please note that if we are to believe that *no* Islamic state exists in today's world, then it follows that offensive jihaad can NOT take place in today's world, period!  Because requirement one above is not fulfilled. Furthrermore, if both of the above conditions are fulfilled, then the Islamic state can only fight offensive jihaad for one of three reasons: 1. The people of a particular land invite the Muslims to come and liberate them from their oppressive regimes. 2. The regime of a particular non-Muslim state is hostile to the Muslims living/staying in their country (this includes impinging on their freedom of religion - to practice and to preach**), even though the Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens. 3. The regime commits acts of aggression against the Islamic state.  (This may also include breaking of treaties with the Islamic state). If any of the above three reasons are present, then the Islamic state may declare an offensive jihaad against such a regime.  Three choices, then, are to be given to the non-Muslim regime by the Islamic state:   1. They leaders of that country either accept Islam and agree to make their nation a part of the Islamic state. 2. Or they sign a treaty with the Islamic State and agree to pay tax [jizyah] to them. 3. Or they fight. Please note that in an offensive jihaad, the fighting is strictly against the military and not the innocent civilians.  Once the nation is defeated, however, it becomes part of the Islamic state, and then the non-Muslims must pay the tax [jizyah] to the Islamic state.  The jizyah amount is less than the amount of zakaah (which is obligatory for the Muslims to pay), and may be waived depending on the financial situation of a particular individual.  The non-Muslims living in the Islamic state have rights which are to be looked after strictly by the Islamic government. This, in a nutshell, should answer all of your questions insha Allahu ta'aala. ** Please note that if a non-Muslim state prohibits Muslim daa'ees (callers of Islam) from coming into their land and telling their citizens about Islam, then this is enough grounds for offensive jihaad to be declared by the Islamic state.  [i]This was the norm in the old world.[/i]  It was *extremely* rare to find a land where people of a different faith were allowed to come and tell the people about a faith different from that of the rulers.  This has changed, however.  Most non-Muslim countries today allow Muslims, as well as people of other faiths, to preach their religion to their people. Wallahu a'lam. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.

Re: Who to attack?
Anik
11/04/01 at 23:33:06
Asalaamu alaikum, Yes I understand about scattered information Br. Arsalan, but what happens is is that the question must be isolated for attention to be paid to it... To ask in someone elses thread is slightly disresepctful because it changes the direction and avoids their question. So, to specify it, I asked again. I was under the immpression from many sources, and I didn't really know whatto think about this, that polytheists can be attacked in a neighboring area if they do not cease from shirk. For example, a polytheist country that allows all freedoms... and a dmeocratic government and no oppression, are there still grounds for offensive jihad? As well, you say "if muslims are attacked for an unjust cause"... What about a just cause? ie. A muslim ruler does a bad thing to a neighboring country wrongly and they attack, in a justified attack...? Is jihad from another religion's point of view acceptable? ie. Christians who want to preach and call for Christianity. They can claim the same case right? One of the criticisms of many modern muslim societies is the lack of freedom of expressiona and practice. Is there equity amongst religious freedom? asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,.

Re: Who to attack?
Arsalan
11/04/01 at 23:50:55
[slm][quote]For example, a polytheist country that allows all freedoms... and a dmeocratic government and no oppression, are there still grounds for offensive jihad? [/quote]Hmm.  I want you to think about this one a little bit on your own :) Look at my post again.  Look at the 3 requirements that I mentioned for offensive jihaad to take place.  Does the situation that you mention fit any of those 3 requirements?  If the answer is "yes" then there are enough grounds for offensive jihaad.  If the answer is "no," then there are NO grounds for offensive jihaad. [quote]As well, you say "if muslims are attacked for an unjust cause"... What about a just cause? ie. A muslim ruler does a bad thing to a neighboring country wrongly and they attack, in a justified attack...? [/quote]If the Muslim ruler did a bad thing to a neighboring country wrongly, the Muslims living under the Muslim ruler *must* correct him.  If he insists on committing a wrong, he must be removed from his position.  If he still insists, then the Muslims are to fight a jihaad against him, because he has become a tyrant.   If he comes to his senses, realizes his mistake, and vows to do better in the future, then he must also compensate for the harm that he has done to the non-Muslim land wrongfully. Wallahu a'lam. [quote]Is jihad from another religion's point of view acceptable? ie. Christians who want to preach and call for Christianity. They can claim the same case right?[/quote]I don't understand this question.  Can you elaborate a little bit? [quote]One of the criticisms of many modern muslim societies is the lack of freedom of expressiona and practice.[/quote]Modern Muslim societies don't even allow their own Muslim constituents to practice their Deen (Islam) and preach it to the people, let alone non-Muslims!  Modern Muslim societies are in *no way* representative of a true Islamic state.  (with rare, if any, exceptions). [quote]Is there equity amongst religious freedom?[/quote]In a true Islamic state, the non-Muslims are free to practice their religion, build places of worship, and indulge in worship in these places or their homes.   And Allah knows best.

Re: Who to attack?
BroHanif
11/05/01 at 12:51:13
[quote]One of the criticisms of many modern muslim societies is the lack of freedom of expressiona and practice.[/quote] Yeah your right, modern muslims don't work, the only muslims that do work are those that adhere to the quran and sunnah. Modern mulsims as Bro Arsalan has said, restrict many rights for the practicing muslims. [quote]What about a just cause? ie. A muslim ruler does a bad thing to a neighboring country wrongly and they attack, in a justified attack...?[/quote] Hmm, this has happened in the past. Remmeber the Tartars or was it Kengis Khan and his men ? Whatever, they massacred so many muslims in Baghdad because the muslims were not on deen correctly. As far as I know somebody a mulsim did a wrong to another person, this person not being a muslim approached the king or ruler at that time and told him about his grievencies, the king didn't pay much heed to him. This person I hear then went and prayed and his dua he said I pray to the same creator of the muslims to help me(it's also said somewhere he made dua standing on one leg) After three days he heard a sound or he had contentment in his heart to start the jihaad against the muslims. Allah hears the call of the oppressed. To cut the story short, the muslims did the injustice and we paid with one million lives, blood flowing in the streets, women being raped, men being killed and burnt  houses and mosques being burnt to the ground. All this because we were not on deen.

Re: Who to attack?
BroHanif
11/05/01 at 12:57:09
Ice Cream

Re: Who to attack?
BroHanif
11/05/01 at 12:59:53
Kebab maay hadii

Re: Who to attack?
Anik
11/05/01 at 19:30:35
asalamau alaikum, Thanks for all the answers. Br.Arsalan... when I ask a question, I may think I know an answer already, but hearing another's response often strengthens the *right* point of view. Thank you for your response. Br. Hanif, thanks as well for your bit. I think I'm satisifed as to what I originalyl asked. Jazak Allahu khairun. :) asalamau alaikum. abdullah,.
NS

Re: Who to attack?
explorer
11/08/01 at 12:04:40
[quote]Ice Cream [/quote] Ice cream????? :o :o  Bro, am I missing something here, how did that get into this thread? Ice cream and jihad - whats the connection? :o :)
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