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| NewJehad |
| 11/08/01 at 12:56:10 |
| Assalamu 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh Recently the rulers of the Muslim world have shown their contempt for Islam so blatantly that it is clear for each and every person. This has resulted in everyone knowing where the loyalties of the leaders lie. So, now their rule has become very unstable so Khilafah may be established at any time. So we must ask our selves. What next? The Islamic world has a low population density. The only reason people keep talking about the Islamic world as if it is over populated is that they know population results in power so they want to stop the population growth. Today people in the west are trying to increase their population by increasing emigration. The only reason why they keep raving on about immigrants is so that they can treat them as second class citizens and to give the new comers inferiority complex so they will be encouraged to assimilate. It is clear that once the khilafah is established we need to find a way of getting the Muslims in the non-Muslims world to come and live in the khilafah. But how to do this is not clear. This is what I am asking. Muslims moving out of the west will have the advantages of the Khilafah gaining their skills and labour. Removing the skills and labour from the kaffar countries, this would cause complete chaos in the industries of the kaffar if every one moves out at the same time. This is very important as the chief nuclear scientist in India who gave India the ability to have nuclear weapons is Muslim. And so are loads of people working in the weapons programs of loads of kaffar countries. Depriving the kaffar of using them as human shields, hostages and bargaining chips in the event of war. What do you think the khilafah can do to get the Muslims of the west to come? Israel uses many means to get Jews to come to Israel such as paying racist gangs to attack Jews in their homes and it is well known that the nazi party was financed by American Jewish bankers, it is clear these things are harram so we would not be able to follow the sunnah of the Jews. A problem I foresee if Muslims don't move is either they would be forced to renounce Islam by a build up in persecution, because once the khilafah is establish the Muslims will have allegiance to a enemy country. This was the case all over Europe, and China. What happened is at first Muslims tried to hide their Islam, like how some people in America remove hijab for the reason of avoiding persecution. And then they compromise other parts of the religion until over a few generations there is nothing left Or that the Muslims within the west will form a knew kind of Islam. This will happen when the Muslims want to show the non Muslim master how Islam is not their enemy so they will change the laws of Islam to be pleasing to the kaffar. You see this all the time when Bush's/Blair's pet Muslims come on T.V to praise the enemies of Islam and attack the true believers. This happened many times. The most famous are the Qadyanis. |
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| Arsalan |
| 11/08/01 at 13:01:41 |
| [slm] Brother Jehad, are the Muslims ready for a khilafah? That is my question! |
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| NewJehad |
| 11/08/01 at 13:09:39 |
| slm arsalan whether they are ready or not, it looks like its going to be here very soon. so if any on is not ready they better make them selves ready quick. So we need to ask our selves what will we do when its here, then make the preperations. cause once its here it will be to late to prepare. |
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| kiwi25 |
| 11/08/01 at 15:16:35 |
| salam, i dont think all muslims moving to the east will ever happen. i mean think about the converts and the families they have here, there are better job opportunities here, life is easier here, alhumdulilah there are some muslims who live in the west and they are still living according to what islam says. what about those muslims who are from different cultures and are married, it would be unfair and hard to take them to a whole new setting.... in some muslims countries (not to metion any) they dont let u practice islam the right way..... you see jehad, its all part of life, its a struggle, its a test, Allah (SWT) put muslims in the west just as he put non muslims in the east because we're all being tested. another reason is we as muslims should be spreading dawah, its hard to do that when we're all on one side of the world, we dont want non muslims to think we want to isolate ourselves, all the prophets (peace be upon them all) were sent all over the world to spread the message, not just the east. and right now the people of the east are becoming just like the people of the west. foloowing their ways etc. personnally id rather be living in a place where non muslims are drinking etc then watching muslims drink etc, like my own country...... wasalam, nouha:) ps, not that i really wanna see people drinking at all... |
| NS |
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| Hania |
| 11/08/01 at 16:23:17 |
[quote]salam, i dont think all muslims moving to the east will ever happen. i mean think about the converts and the families they have here, there are better job opportunities here, life is easier here, ...[/quote] But don't you think recent events have been the start for a fight for a new world order? The poorest country on the earth is fighting the richest and most powerful (its kind of symbolic when you think about it).........I think world order is changing, maybe we won't see it in our life time, but if people's motivaton to move is driven by an easier life, then I am sure muslims will move to the east oneday. |
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| Kashif |
| 11/08/01 at 18:35:19 |
| assalaamu alaikum Interesting post brother J. and i agree with much of what you say. And the questions you ask regarding making preparations for the coming of this inevitable day when the flag "la-ilaha il-Allah Muhammadar-Rasoolullah" will be held aloft in the lands are absolutely important for every serious Muslim to think about and reflect upon. Sister Nouha, the reasons you list are exactly the test we face before us. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said that "The fires of a Muslim and the fires of a mushrik should not see each other." Meaning that the distance that a Muslim should live from a Mushrik should be so far that if they both lit fires, they would not be able to see the fire of each other. If a Khilafah arose somewhere in the world, the test would be upon *us* whether we were willing to sacrifice the cars, the comfort, the standard of living that we have here in the West in exchange for a simpler lifestyle, where things might not be as easy as here, but at least we would be in an environment more conducive towards strengthening our relationship with Allah and helping us secure high ranks in Paradise, insha'Allah. But if we want to look at this purely from the point of view of the exchange we have made for coming into the lands of the West, just look at what we have gained and LOST so that we can have bigger houses, 24 hrs electricity and hot water at demand: - look at the state of Muslim kids today. They are a lost generation in public schools. If this was the ONLY harm associated with living here it would be bad enough. - look at the difficulty that working Muslims often face in fulfilling their salaah obligations. - remember that the taxes you pay from these lands not only fund research into medicines and cures, they pay for the daisy-cutter bombs that are ripping apart areas of Afghanistan right now. They pay the salaries of the forces who maintain the embargoes on Iraq killing 5000 Muslim kids a month. Is this a deal we want anything to do with? "Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): "In what (condition) were you?" They reply: "We were weak and oppressed on earth." They (angels) say: "Was not the earth of Allâh spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - What an evil destination. "Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. "For these there is hope that Allâh will forgive them, and Allâh is Ever Oft Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving." [Qur'an 4:97-99] "He who emigrates (from his home) in the Cause of Allâh, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allâh and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allâh. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Qur'an 4:100] Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
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| Saleema |
| 11/08/01 at 19:42:10 |
| [slm] Completely agree with Kashif. Couldn't have put it better myself. However, I don't want to see all these khalifah political gropus involved in the new world order that is likey to take place and inshallah for the betterment of all humanity. [wlm] |
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| momineqbal |
| 11/09/01 at 02:20:28 |
| [slm], One question that bothers me is that muslims in the west (including recent entrants like me) who justify their stay for reasons of Dawah are not able to do direct Dawah as in directly confronting non-muslims and presenting to them the truth and then inviting them to witness it. Anyone understand my point? Like most fatwas I have seen stress the point that a muslim can stay in a non-muslim land only if his primary intention is Dawah. I dont really know if we are doing it. I mean we should have people literally on mountain tops calling people to Islam isn't it? Any comments? |
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| humble_muslim |
| 11/09/01 at 09:09:39 |
| AA I think one problem facing people today is that the "muslims" in muslim countires act in a very unislamic manner. This is ok if they keep it to themselves, but when it starts getting to you, you have a problem. Simple example : in Pakistan, bribery is everywhere. I have heard more than one story of people saving money in Saudia/Gulf, coming back to Pakistan, and trying to start a HONEST business. Because of the impossibility of this, they end up running back to Saudi! So it's not just the comformts that make muslim stay in the west, it is the paradoxical situation that a muslims might get treated better by the people while living in the west than while living in their own "muslim" country. I guess my point is that a muslim state has to be more than just a flag, it has to be people living Islam, especially in terms of justice, honesty, and kindness. Once that happens, no mulism will want to stay in the west. |
| NS |
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| BroHanif |
| 11/09/01 at 17:40:39 |
| The real place for the Khilafa was Afghanistan, the Taliban controlled 95% of the country. If anyone wanted a true Islamic state that was it or still is. For the Khilafa to be accepted people need to be ready no doubt, but there needs to be an effort made on the people, as somebody once rightly said "you just can't wave a wand". Are the people ready for the change ? And frankly speaking I don't think so the Khilafa will be established now unlesss there is some major big time revolution. I ain't having a go at the leaders, but arn't our leaders just like us ? I mean we can critique them but deep down we all know that the ummah is in a real mess. From Algeria to the far east of Indonesia all of our countrys are in problems. For the Khilafa to be accepted all of the countrys would have to be as one, do you really think people are going to give up their seat to power ? I don't think so. Nowadays our so called Muslim countries have readily accepted the state of Israel but are not ready to accept a muslim government like the Taliban. This is the state we are in, when we muslims can't even recognise or are unwilling, then what hope is there ? I mean why wasn't IEA recognised ? Was it becasue they would have established the Khilafa and asked other nations to join ? Is this where the problem is ? The problem of power no doubt. As for the muslims coming to a certain country to help it grow. The Taliban introduced this concept, people can still come give their services and can either stay or leave. I know brothers who did this, some brothers opened up pizza shops in Afghanistan, while some brothers went over there to offer different skills. To me I would offer my IT and Telecoms skills. What would invite me to Afghanistan would be a place where I can practice my full deen from digging wells to running refuge centres, man the opportunities are endless. The simple invite is that you live in a place where your imaan is safe, your kids grow up in an environment of Allah and Sunnah and not kufr and shirk. If one would really value their imaan I guess you would leave the country and settle in one more Islamicly pleasing. Sadly, today their are only a few countries where there is real Islaam. Insha-allah once the war is over and the Taliban win, I intend to go over there and settle there. No point hanging around here in the UK or US, what is there for me and u here ?. When I was small I wanted to go to Dubai, because it was all Islamic and stuff, now my heart aches everytime I hear about Dubai, where u can quite easily have a beer with a bikini and pants and the mosque would only be a stone throw away..sigh. Sorry, I forget to say Duabi is a modern muslim coutry. Thats what the coalition are aiming for in Afghanistan. :(. Allah save us from your anger.Ameen. |
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| NewJehad |
| 11/10/01 at 09:53:50 |
| slm kiwi you said “i dont think all muslims moving to the east will ever happen.” This is a problem that the khilafah will have to try and change. My question is: How can the khilafah get people to come? “.... in some muslims countries (not to metion any) they dont let u practice islam the right way.....” true, but I am talking about when the khilafah comes back, a nation run by Islam alone. “another reason is we as muslims should be spreading dawah, its hard to do that when we're all on one side of the world, we dont want non muslims to think we want to isolate ourselves,” This is the main reason why we need khilafah. DAWA!!! How did our prophet pbh and the people after him spread dawa over most of our history? It was offensive Jihad! That’s the only way to bring whole nations to Islam. Cause with out it, people only see parts of Islam. After a nation is conquered people see the whole of it implemented how it should be implemented, as a whole. When people of most of the Islamic world were liberated by the Islamic state, they saw the whole beauty of Islam, so it was not long before most of them became Muslim. The deen of Islam came as a mercy to all of mankind, offensive Jihad is a mercy whose beauty shines out for all to see. What I mean is we don’t just keep out system of ruling for our selves along with all its benefits. We want to share our good fortune with the rest of mankind whether their rulers like it or not. When people of liberated nations see we have not come as rulers, but as liberators they will realise the full beauty of Islam and will soon have real freewill to become Muslim as we have removed all the obstacles in the way of their conversion. I have never met a kaffar who knew about Islam and never believed in it. Islam is such a religion that every one who knows any thing about it knows it is the truth. The reason why they don’t become Muslim is all the obstacles that block their entrance. Jihad is the first stop to removing them. Hania we need to think of ways of getting the Muslims to move to the khilafah when it is established. Cause a lot of the munafiq are going to move out, so will need to be replaced. And to make life within the khilafah more comfortable for all of its citizens(Muslim, kaffar and Munafiq) we will need to get skilled people from the west to come in. Muslims will be easier to motivate inshallah, because obedience to the Khalif is part of their deen. Kashif (No comment, you have said it all) momineqbal Main problem with Muslims being in the west is most people are here holding up the west with their labour and skills and taxes. Which the western governments spend on weapons to kill us and propaganda to remove us or our kids from Islam. Humble Most of the problems which exist in Muslim nations stem from ruling from other then what Allah revealed. So Inshallah these problems will be lessoned by the states obedience to Allah. What we need to do is find away of informing the Muslims in the west of this. Cause what ever propaganda that the kaffar say about Muslim nations today is nothing compared to the level of lies they will say against the Khilafah. Brohanif “For the Khilafa to be accepted people need to be ready no doubt, but there needs to be an effort made on the people, as somebody once rightly said "you just can't wave a wand". Are the people ready for the change ?” This is true, and people have been working for this for a very long time. A lot of people don’t understand what khilafah is. It is not Junnah on earth. It is just a nation like any other. What separates it from other nations is the fact that Islam is its only source of law. Khilafah is the method we will use to unify the Muslim world and to try and make people better. Khilafah working within a khilafah to do it will be easier then doing it as individuals or groups. The fact that the leaders are evil does not mean khilafah will take longer to gain, cause we have lost faith that the leaders will ever gain hidiyet a long time ago. The nations were the people want to be the ruled by the khilafah system the most are the nations with the most evil leaders. Cause that’s where people really feel the need. Uzbeckistan for example. The Muslim nation where the ruler is a Jew. Here there is a saying “one out of every 5 people is a member of the secret police (hunting people working for khilafah, and the other 4 are working for it”. Your last point is the reason this need to be thought about, cause unless we can strengthen it by gaining the support Muslims living out side of it, and get Muslims to leave their homes and go their to defend, build, strengthen and expand the Khilafah, it may be destroyed soon after it is re-established. Remember the khilafah had been destroyed once before. |
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| amal |
| 11/10/01 at 12:38:01 |
| slm, I find it interesting that people are talking about what's going to happen after the establishment of the khilafa and seem to be oblivious of a minor detail regarding how such khilafa comes about in the first place. Is the khilafa something that will come out of the blue without any work done by the muslim ummah? or does it need some significant reforms in the social,educational,economic and political orientation of this ummah? Is the khilafa the outcome of a unilateral declaration by some people as the self-appointed leaders of the believers? or is it the culmination of a collective work done by the ummah in all aspects of life to establish an islamic way of life that starts with the individual and concludes with the society? The following is an excerpt from Shaikh Qardawi's "The Priorities of the Islamic Movement in the Coming Phase", an excellent book for anyone interested in islamic activism. [color=green] Chapter Four The Islamic Movement At Political And World levels [/color] [color=black] Towards A Rational Political Fiqh[/color] [color=blue] Adverse Ideological Phenomena [/color] There are ideological phenomena that no careful examiner can miss in the sphere of the Islamic Movement, particularly in the political field. There is the ideology of the crisis "which still influences many of the leaders and writers of the Islamic Movement and tints, in one way or another, much of the material written for purposes of promoting the Call or for education, as well as the political tendencies. The Movement has to shake off this ideology of the crisis and deal with people, life and the world as a whole according to an "ideology of well-being". There is the "Zahirite ideology", which stops at the letter of [religious] texts and does not go beyond it to deal with the [real] purposes of Shari'ah, thus not heeding the interests of people. Prominent ulema have affirmed that rules are meant to serve the interests of people in earthly life and in the hereafter. Any rule that abandons interest for evil, or neglects wisdom in preference of nonsense, has no relation whatsoever with Shari'ah, even if it is misunderstood as belonging to Shari'ah, as Imam Ibn AlQayyem said. Such an ideology might be acceptable in relation to some rituals or rules that apply to individuals, but it can never be acceptable in the field of "Shari'ah politics" which should be based on flexibility and tolerance and take into account the change in time, place and the humans themselves. There is the Kharijite ideology "whose advocates are characterized by honesty and bravery but are narrow-minded and nearsighted in their attitude towards religion and life, violent in dealing with others and always rejecting, accusing and suspecting everybody, even the Islamists themselves, while they admire their own opinions, which is a fatal shortcoming indeed. There is the "Imitational ideology" which seeks an answer to every ideological, political or legal problem in the books of the earlier scholars of its school, never breaking out of their boundaries or examining Shari'ah in its broader concept and with its various schools and methodologies, nor addressing this age and its contemporary developments and problems. In adopting this attitude, such an ideology narrows what Allah has made expansive, and makes difficult what Islam has facilitated. The Islamic Movement will not have a rational political ideology unless it overcomes these adverse ideological phenomena and their effects on its men and nurtures this new type of fiqh that we are focusing on: the fiqh of [approved] practices, the fiqh of goals, the fiqh of balances and the fiqh of priorities. [color=blue]A Deficiency That Should Be Addressed in Political fiqh[/color] The Islamic Movement should seek to rectify the defective, strange concepts and decisions that we read and hear, and the methodologies of deduction that are even more strange and more peculiar. These peculiar concepts, rules and methodologies are most evident in political fiqh, which has not received in the past the same degree of attention devoted to the fiqhs of worship, transactions, marriage etc. The political fiqh of today is afflicted with much misconception and ill judgments, and its basics are so much varied in the minds of Islamists that the rules applied by some may be far from those applied by others like east is far from west. We have seen some people who regard shura [consultation] as mere informative, not a compulsory duty, we have seen others who vest the head of state with the right to declare war and conclude treaties without consulting the representatives of the nation, and we have seen still others who consider democracy as a form of unbelief. We have also seen those who believe that woman has no place in Islamic politics and that her only place is her father's house, from which she may only go to either of two place: her husband's house or her grave. To them, woman has no right to vote in any elections, let alone run in the elections for local governments or the Parliament. There are also those who see political plurality as an arrangement that is rejected by Islam, and believe that no parties, groups or bodies that have any political views or affiliations should be established in a Muslim state. I was dismayed when some brothers showed me a treatise that some zealous advocates of the Call had written under the title "Monotheism Is Against Membership Of Parliament", for I saw that as a peculiar confusion of issues of practice with issues of doctrine. Issues of practice deal with right and wrong, not belief and unbelief, and they are part of Shari'ah politics where ijtihad is rewarded twice when it is right and once when it is wrong. The same mistake was made by the Kharijites in the old days when they branded Imam Ali lbn AbuTalib as an unbeliever on account of a worldly matter related to politics that they had turned into a doctrinal issue, saying "He had given people control over the Religion of Allah, and none but Allah shall have judgment". The Imam's reply to their allegation was most eloquent, as he said, " A word of right intended to establish wrong"! [color=blue]An Important Dialogue on Political fiqh[/color] I was greatly amazed to see among the ulema of Afghanistan, those who have led the jihad so zealously and bravely, some who see the education of women as haram (illegal) and think the same of using elections as a means for selecting people's deputies or the president of the state. They also believe that the determination of the term of office of the president of the state and the saying that shura is obligatory are haram. One of the brothers who are convinced of such ideas discussed them with me, saying that the failure of the Islamic Movement in modern times had been brought about by its belief in ideas which he regarded as nonIslamic and that we [Muslims] would not succeed unless we used Islamic means to attain Islamic ends. I asked him, "What makes the determination of the term of office for presidents haram if Muslims deem it as being in their interest"? He replied, "It is against the practice of Muslims since the days of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr AlSeddiq (may Allah be pleased with him). None of the Caliphs was chosen for a fixed term but they stayed in rule for life, especially the RightlyGuided Caliphs whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered us to cherish and follow every practice they set and cling to it stubbornly. The Prophet warned us in this hadith narrated by AlIrbad IbnSariya against newlyinvented matters, as he said that every innovation (in religion) is a straying [from the straight path], and this is a new matter that the people have invented". I countered, "We were ordered to follow the Prophet's Sunna [practices] before following the practices of the RightlyGuided Caliphs, as the Sunna is the second source of legislation in Islam and should be referred to, besides the Quran, in any disagreement, and the hadith you mention that was narrated by AlIrbad says {Follow my Sunna and the practices of the RightlyGuided Caliphs ) Therefore, you have to refer to the Prophet's Sunna first. The Sunna of the Prophet, as everybody knows, is either a statement, an action or an approval. His actions in particular may not be obligatory in themselves, but indicate only allowance and permissibility, except when they are coupled with other pieces of evidence that indicate recommendation or compulsion. That is why some of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs went against the actions of the Prophet whenever they saw that the interests for which the Prophet had done such actions had changed so that acting in the same way would not be in the interest of Muslims. An example of that is distribution of [the property in] Khaybar among fighters by the Prophet after its conquest, while Omar did not do the same when he conquered the rural areas of Iraq, as he saw it more fit for his time not to do so. Many of the prophet's Companions argued against Omar's opinion, particularly as his opinion was contradictory in letter to the general provisions of Surat AlAnfal[color=green] (And know that out of all the booty that you may acquire tin war], a fifth share is assigned to Allah) [41].[/color] Omar commented by saying, "I found property that can suffice for the people in present and future. Do you want the people of the future to find nothing left for them?" This means that Omar took into account the welfare of coming generation, which is a wonderful act of mutual dependence among the generations of the Muslim nation, so that one generation may not live in luxury at the expense of a coming generation or generations. Omar's argument in so doing was based on the verse of Surat AlHashr which stipulated the distribution of the war booty between the Muhajirin and the Ansar [color=green](and those who came after them) [10].[/color] Imam IbnQudama explained the difference between the action of the Prophet and that of Omar by saying that each had done what was most appropriate for his time. Now, if the actions of the Prophet. which were a part and parcel of his Sunna, were not compulsory for those who came after him and the companions sometimes acted otherwise for certain consideration, how can the actions of the Muslims after him be compulsory for those who come after them? Precedents do not have the property of legal obligation. It is only that they were adequate for their time, place and circumstances. If these factors change, so must the actions built on them. The focal point here is that we should choose from the systems and legislations of those before us what is suitable for our time, our environment and our circumstances within the limits of the general texts and goals of our tolerant Shari'ah. As for the argument that Muslim scholars unanimously stand against the limitation of the term of office of rulers, it is somewhat misleading. There is no arguing against the unanimous agreement that a ruler may reign for life. However, the limitation of terms of office, on the other hand, was never discussed or researched, but was a subject of complete silence by these people. It is said that no words should be attributed to a silent man, therefore we should not attribute either affirmation or negation on this issue to them. On the other hand, as for the saying that the determination of the term of office of the head of state is an introduction of a newly invented matter in Islam and that it is unanimously agreed that every innovation is a straying, we admit that the second part of the saying i.e. every innovation is a straying is accepted. However, the first part of the saying i.e. that such action falls under innovation in Shari'ah it lacks proofs. In fact, an innovation is what is invented in matters of a purely religious nature, such as creeds and worship and their branches, while the changing matters of life such as norms, traditions, customs and administrative, social, cultural and political practices are no innovation at all, as they fall under what ulema call 'public interests" as explained by Imam AlShatibi in his book "Al l'tissam". Thus, the Prophet's Companions did some things that the Prophet did not do, such as writing copies of the Quran, using registers, levying land taxes and building a jailhouse. Those Muslims who came next, after the Prophet's Companions, did, in their turn, things that their predecessors (the Companions) had not done, such as minting money, organizing a mail service, etc. Muslims have introduced innovations that were unheard of in the days of the Prophet and his Companions, such as recording the sciences that were existent before their time and introducing other sciences like sciences of religion, linguistics and various human sciences. [color=blue]The Wrong Employment of the Prophet's Sirat for Absolute Inference of Judgments[/color] One of the reasons of error and misjudgment in political fiqh is the confusion of the Prophet's Sunna [practices] and Sirat [biography] in argumentation. The Sunna is a source of legislation and guidance in Islai besides the Holy Quran. The Quran is the basis and the origin, and the Sunna is the explanation and the application. However, some people make the mistake of putting the Sirat in the place of the Sunna, citing the events of the Sirat as if they were as compulsory as the Quran and the Sunna. The Sirat is not a synonym for the Sunna, as there are some details in the Sirat that have nothing to do with legislation at all. That is why the ulema of Usul (principles of jurisprudence) have not integrated the Sirat into their definition of the Sunna. They only said, "The Sunna is what the Prophet either said, did or approved." They did not include the Sirat in that. But the ulema of Prophetic Traditions have added to the Prophet's actions, statements and approvals a description of the Prophet: how he looked like, how his morals were like and what his biography was. That's because they usually gather everything that pertained to the Prophet, regardless of whether any of the pieces of information they collected was related to the field of legislation or not. They have told everything in the Prophet's life: his birth, his nursing, his upbringing, his marriage, his conduct, his looks and every other piece of information that pertained to his life and death. What concerns us here is that some Islamic groups regard the Sirat as an absolute proof to support judgments. and they believe that it is compulsory to all Muslims. Here I have to point out two things: [color=red]First[/color], the Sirat includes many events that have been narrated without irrefutable proof that they have been handed down from one narrator to the next, as they [the narrators] used to narrate the Sirat with a flexibility that they did not use in their narration of the hadith related to legal provisions and matters of halal and haram . [color=red]Second[/color], the Sirat represented the practical part of the Prophet's life, i.e. it mostly dealt with the "action" part of the Sunna. Actions are not an indication of obligation and compulsion by itself; it only indicates permissibility, as another proof must be present for compulsion to be effective. True, we are required to follow the example of the Prophet: [color=green](You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah much) [Surat AlAhzab: 21], but this verse indicates that it is recommended, not compulsory, to take the Prophet as an example.[/color] However, following the example of the Prophet should be in morals, values and general, not detailed, situations. It is not necessary to copy the example of the Prophet by starting the spreading of the Call in secret, if it is possible and authorized to spread it openly. It is not necessary to migrate as the Prophet did, either, so long as we have nothing that requires us to migrate from our homelands where we feel safe and are able to spread our Call. It is for this reason that migration to Medina is no longer a farida for every Muslim after the conquest of Mecca, for the Prophet said ( there shall be no hijra after the Conquest [of Mecca] but jihad and yearning for it; when you are called you should go forth), which meant that there would be no migration to Medina, but what was allowed was the migration from any land where Muslims are unable to establish their religion. It is also unnecessary for us to request "help" from those who are strong and powerful as the Prophet did with some tribes and the Aws and Khazraj tribes responded to his call, for this method is no longer adequate for our age. It is not necessary for us to nurture the creed and spread the Call of Islam for thirteen years as the Prophet did, for we live today among Muslims who believe that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah, and therefore do not need such a long time to learn the creed. If we devote our attention today to such issues as social justice, shura, freedom, the Palestinian Uprising or the Afghan struggle, we will not be acting against the guidance of the Prophet who cared about such things only in Medina. For while he was in Mecca before the hijra, the Prophet was living in an ignorant, polytheist community that adamantly rejected the Call, and therefore his first battle with that community was over monotheism and the Message. Our society is not like that. It believes in Allah, His Religion and His Messenger, though it may have its faults and deviations from the path of Allah. |
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| muslimguy2001 |
| 11/10/01 at 13:11:28 |
| Assalamu'Alaikum Brothers and Sisters in Islam, Masha'Allah br. Jehad, this is a good topic you have chosen. I liked u're, Br. Kashif and Br. Hanif's posts. I suggest all of u bros to check out the following site. www.muslims-unite.com The main problem with the Muslims these days is the division. This is the fitnah introduced by the Kuffars. Their plan is to divide and rule. We need to wake up and realise what is at stake. Islam is not only about praying and fasting. Unless we get Dar-ul-Islam we will never be able to practice islam properly. May Allah(swt) help the sincere mujahideen in Afghanistan. Ameen! |
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| Arsalan |
| 11/11/01 at 15:38:00 |
| [slm] I wonder ... Is the grand purpose of Islam to establish an Islamic state in this world? Or is it to instill Islam in the minds, bodies and souls of human beings? Does Islam preach a top-down approach, in which first the state is to be established, by hook or crook, and *then* the people living in that state are to become convinced that Islam is the true Path, and implement it to the best of their capabilities in their lives? Or does Islam preach a bottom-up approach, in which the formation of the Islamic state is the *result* of large bodies of Muslims expressing their will to live in a God-fearing society whose laws are based upon the guidelines of the Qur'an and Sunnah, and executed by a singular God-fearing leader - namely their Khalifah? Hmmm... |
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| Anik |
| 11/11/01 at 17:39:54 |
| asalaamu alaikum, you ask an interesting question that's asked by muslims and non-muslims alike... of course, the "hook or crook" part seems kind of impossible to me- anything achieved by "hook or crook: doesn't really purify itself because the top is the corrupt part; one of the sign of Qiyaamat is that the leaders will be the worst of our people; just by hearing this, it makes me feel like it's every man for himself- bring Islam into individual hearts... The Khailafa is a bit like an ideal, some kingdom we speak about but not many can see occurring... I don't think it's the outside kaffir society that stops a KHailafa, but many muslims themselves... in terms of our desires, sects, stubborness in certain situations if we all got along, it could work, but is this just an ideal that will come without any divine intervention? I'm not sure what the ruling is on that... I definitley would think that Islam should be brought purely and start in the hearts and minds of the people, but who am I to sya or know, wa'Allahu Alam. As well, we see that the Jews were rallied by a Holocaust... who knows what is to come for muslims persecuted all over the world. I think one step to establishing a more uniform muslim world is to eliminate the haters from our folds (ie. take out the ideas)- the few misguided muslims who persecute other groups, the criminals, the sectarian trouble-starters... there has to be a uniformity of thought and actions, and that means all muslims will have to cry out in one large voice. asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,. |
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| BrKhalid |
| 11/12/01 at 07:37:10 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) This thread reminded me of a saying from one of my local Imams. He said the establishment of the Khilafah was the final roof on a building laid on firm foundations (namely a strong Muslim community). One can’t have a roof unless you have something firm to build it on. [quote] Then to create public opinion for Khilafah [color=Red]and make the people in that country realise that only the complete implementation of Islam can solve their problems and that all man made systems of life can not work[/color] [/quote] Br Jehad [quote] Or does Islam preach a bottom-up approach, in which [color=Red]the formation of the Islamic state is the *result* of large bodies of Muslims expressing their will to live in a God-fearing society whose laws are based upon the guidelines of the Qur'an and Sunnah[/color], and executed by a singular God-fearing leader - namely their Khalifah? [/quote] Br Arsalan It seems to me that both comments above are saying that the people themselves have to be first convinced of their need for an Islamic state, rather than having one simply being thrust on them. |
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| NewJehad |
| 11/24/01 at 02:18:02 |
| Arsalan This is one of the biggest misunderstandings about what khilafah is. It is not a utopia. The aim in this life is always to fulfil what is required to gain Allah's pleasure. There has been khilafah for most of islamic history, it has only been missing for about 77 years. Once khilfah comes back all of our problems wont disapear, and that wont be our end object. Infact the opposite is true, that will be the start of our work With out this leadership when ever the Muslims try to do any thing it is done in a very disorganised manner. Once we have this we can start Educating, protecting, unifying and Islamising Muslims in a effective manner. To fulfil these things wont be easy with the Khilafah, but with out it it is close enough impossible. For all of our history we have used the state as the method of dealing with the challenges and tests that face us, since 1924 we have been using other means and the failure is clear for all to see. When ever another method is having the desired effect, the kaffar who rule us always clamp down, and they will always do this as they hate Islam. So for our work to have a real and lasting effect we must have the Khilafah to protect our work. Arsalan you mentioned hook or crook. That is the method of the people who try and work with the kufr governments to try and gain Islamic ends, with the excuse of benefit. The only exceptable method is the Sunnah. So we have to forget about working with the rulers who have proven their hatred of Islam repeatedly and seek bayah from the people who have the power to remove the ruler and place the khilafah in their place. Anik the khilafah is not a ideal. A lot of the khalifs were very bad and did oppression. The difference between then and now is in the Khilafah, Islam is the system while today our nations are ruled by capitalism. Just like in a democracy you can have bad rulers who brake the laws, the same thing might happen in the khilafah. The difference is that at least in the khilafah we have the islamic laws in place, while today the laws are kufr. This also means that once khilafah comes back we must all keep a eye on the khalif to make sure he is ruling by Islam, and account him when he does not. [edited by admin] |
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| Arsalan |
| 11/12/01 at 12:10:08 |
| [slm] I'm not going to reply to most of what has been written in this thread. ˙Just a few thoughts, taken from an old post: Sometimes I wonder if the Prophet [saw] thought that imposing Allah's Will on the affair of a state is *the* ultimate goal of Islam. I wonder if he thought that his *goal* was to establish the Shariah on earth in all its entirety. If he did, then I wonder why he didn't accept the kingship of Makkah (when the Quraysh made him that offer in Makkah) and *then* tried to reform the society. I wonder when will this Jihad spirit that so many Islamic groups focus on reorient itself to all aspects of Jihad. I wonder if the Qur'an tells us explicitly that we have to bring the whole world under Islamic rule. I wonder if Qur'an tells us explicitly that khilafa is our main goal. I wonder that if Qur'an does not do that, does it talk about al-tawheed, al-birr, al-taqwa, al-khushoo', al-khudoo', al-infaaq, al-ikhlaas, nearness to Allah, al-inzaar ilal asheeratakal mukaribeen, .... I wonder that if it does then where is it on the agenda of Muslim oraganizations and individuals. I wonder .... |
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| NewJehad |
| 11/24/01 at 02:18:53 |
| slm First point. If you want to know whether or not to take nasiyah from a group or individual find out for your self what they say and what are their evidences for saying it. The best way to stop people from finding out the truth is to say don’t event listen to the people who speak it, because they are deviant, and if you listen to them you risk becoming deviant too. [edited by admin] |
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| NewJehad |
| 11/24/01 at 02:20:38 |
| slm [edited by admin] I once went to a Musjid cause I heard the Imam their speaks the truth. To my dismay he was busy praising a ruler who killed 50 000 people in a city because they wanted to be ruled by Islam. I was later told he had just come out of prison for speaking the truth. We all know what happens in the prisons of the Muslim world to those who fear Allah. We also know that speaking the truth my result in the government making sure the next baby your wife gives birth to will be fathered by a soldier ordered to rape her. We all know this, so use some common sense before accepting fatwa’s from the Middle East blindly. Arsalan the ultimate goal of Islam is not the state. The state is just a method to implement all the other parts of Islam which will allow us and others to come closer to Allah’s deen. Today in the west we cannot implement all of our deen. When a family member dies what can we do to prevent their bodies from being desecrated by post-mortem, and in many Muslim countries enjoining good and forbidding evil results in our female relatives losing their honour. We need Islamic state to truly live by Islam. The Quraysh offered him kingship in exchange for him dumping the call for Islam. The main duty of the khilafah is to spread Islam. With the Khilafah we will have a state devoted to spreading the only true deen from Allah to all of mankind. With the Khilafah Jihad will no longer only be devoted to defending our co-religionist, but will be used to make sure each and every human being can truly learn of this great deen, and to liberate all of mankind, what ever their religion from the oppression of man made law. Arsalan the state is that which safe guards and propagates all the parts of the deen you mention. Individual and international. With out it each and every part of our deen are in constant danger, just look around you. Now even in Muslim nations kaffar rulers have secret police in Musjids taking down the names of those who pray. Is any part of our deen secure with out a state? Will the kaffar tolerate us keeping any part? They constantly chip away peace by peace, thinking if they do it slow enough we wont notice that they are after it all. |
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| se7en |
| 11/24/01 at 02:33:21 |
as salaamu alaykum, I have gone through and cleaned this thread up *a lot*. Unfortunately a lot of things were said that go against the rules of the Madina Constitution, and I apologize for not being on top of things at the time the discussion was taking place and keeping things in line. I'd like to remind us all of a few parts of the Constitution: [color=black]Anything insulting any other person(s), groups, organizations, fellow posters or moderators will be removed. This is not a Fiqh discussion board, nor a "let's bash other Muslims or other Muslim groups" board. [/color]And finally [color=black] Through this constitution we have all agreed to the following rules for our posting here for the betterment of all Madina citizens and guests, InshaAllah. If you seriously don't think you can agree with this that is fine InshaAllah. I understand why some people might disagree on principle. If so, this Madina is not for you. [/color] This thread is locked. If you have any problems or questions, feel free to email or Madina message me. wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah. |
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