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| blissfull |
| 11/12/01 at 13:52:46 |
| slm brothers and sisters Why do you think that ALLAH swt has given man the darja (status) above all creation. ALLAH swt in the Quran refers to Jinn and Men many times in terms of accountability and Faith. Both have thier own worlds, and knowledge of the Creator. Man is bound by time, they are not. and both are made of different elements, however, what is that distiguishing factor which human creation has been the title of, above all Creation? wlm |
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| Arsalan |
| 11/12/01 at 23:21:23 |
| [slm] Hmm. I think the answer is clear in Surah al-Baqarah, in the story of Adam and Shaytaan. Allah (swt) tests both Adam and Iblis at the beginning. He first tests Iblis, by ordering him to bow down to Adam. He refuses to bow down. He disobeys Allah, and fails the test. Allah (swt) then tests Adam by ordering him not to approach the tree. He slips and approaches the tree. He disobeys Allah, and he too fails the test. The difference between Adam and Iblis, however, was that Adam repented for his mistake, whereas Iblis never repented. He was arrogant. It is this nature of man, the fact that he repents to Allah after making a mistake, that gives him a higher status. I think jinn are inherently more arrogant. Their fiery nature comes from the substance which they are made of. Man, however, is made from mud. A substance which is soft and mouldable. It gives man the ability to change, and to repent more easily. That's what I think. But I don't know! It's a good question :) Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| blissfull |
| 11/13/01 at 02:34:02 |
| slm JazakALLAH kharun bro, a good answer, but that was not quite what i was looking for. Iblis tries to entice both man and jinn. thier fiery makeup has nothing to do with the fact that they do not repent or have more demanding egos. As in the Quran both Men and Jinn are referred to and addressed for faith and accountability. the fact that Iblis did not repent,[ and if i am not mistaken actualy asked for more time to prove he was more superior and that he loved ALLAH swt more, remember that Iblis was amongst those whose faith was so strong, so blinding that he could not fathom that one day he may falter or be tested. ] Anyway even though Iblis is from the Jinn it has nothing to do with the fact that general good Jinns like general good Men have knowledge and are submissive to ALLAH swt. so why Above All creation. wlm |
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| momineqbal |
| 11/13/01 at 02:44:42 |
| [slm], Jeffry Lang has a good book about this "Even angels ask". With respect to angels, they have no free will. They obey Allah whatever His command. Human beings have a choice and that is why they are tested. The Makkans said why doesn't an angel come to Prophet (saw). Allah says, if an angel was sent the matter would be settle for them once and for all. There wont be any respite after that. The case will be similar to when death approaches us when our time is finished (belief at that point is of no avail). 2:210 Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? but to Allah do all questions go back (for decision). 6:8 They say: "Why is not an angel sent down to him?" If we did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them. Another interesting ayah about angels is this: 6:9 If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion. 6:158 Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: "Wait ye: we too are waiting." Maybe I went a bit tangent to the discussion, but I thought these were some interesting ayah to ponder upon. Wassalam |
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| amatullah |
| 11/13/01 at 07:12:59 |
| Bismillah and salam, This may not be the answer. But i know that in the Quran Allah swt tells us that he had asked other creatures if they will carry the (amana) as in be intrusted with it and they all refused. But humans did accept it basically because we were ignorant of the responsibility. But i am guessing it must count for something to have been willing to spread the word and be accountable for actions, etc. |
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| Bintul-Khattab |
| 11/19/01 at 16:47:42 |
Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu [quote] I think jinn are inherently more arrogant. Their fiery nature comes from the substance which they are made of. Man, however, is made from mud. A substance which is soft and mouldable. It gives man the ability to change, and to repent more easily. [/quote] Its very interesting that you made this point, because i was reading Tafseer Ibn Kathir, and where it comes to the Iblis saying to Allaah [swt] 'you created me from fire and you created him from clay' he was implying that fire is superior to clay. Ibn Kathir discusses the various qualities of both substances, and shows how clay is in fact superior to fire....in that it is constant, unchangine, calm etc. This means that the whole basis of Iblis's arrogance was false and baatil! Important parallel to draw between this and the arrogance of people today....arrogance usually stems from false premises. wassalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu (ps sorry for diverging Tee) |
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