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| Kashif |
| 11/27/01 at 10:56:33 |
| assalaamu alaikum I found this hilarious line in a post on the bulletin board of a UK newspaper: <<When those new Moslem converts start to realize they can't eat hot dogs, BBQ ribs or breakfast sausage, they'll UN-convert or become apostate>> hehe. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| Bintul-Khattab |
| 11/27/01 at 14:24:31 |
| [slm] What an interesting angle on the meaning of life...hot dogs, BBQ ribs and breakfast sausages...enough to make anyone sacrifice what they beleive in. may Allaah guide us all...aameen. [wlm] |
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| haaris |
| 11/28/01 at 06:23:09 |
| slm [quote]When those new Moslem converts start to realize they can't eat hot dogs, BBQ ribs or breakfast sausage, they'll UN-convert or become apostate[/quote] That's weird, the food about which most people ask me "Don't you miss ... ?" is the bacon sandwich. And yes, I did miss it at first (may Allah forgive me) but now, the smell of bacon cooking makes my stomach churn. Yeuch ... Anyway, here's a gently amusing anecdote that shows just how engrained in the British way of life haram things are. When I first reverted, my family (as do many families) thought it was just a phase I was going through although, Alhamdulillah, they were not obstructive. After I had been Muslim for about eight months, I was having a discussion with a member of my family, during which they said: "What, you haven't had a drink for eight months!! [Mild expletive], you must be serious!!" And no, I wasn't a huge drinker before my reversion, it just shows how difficult it is for some people to conceive of a life without alcohol. |
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| eleanor |
| 11/28/01 at 06:47:53 |
| slm [quote] "What, you haven't had a drink for eight months!! [Mild expletive], you must be serious!!" And no, I wasn't a huge drinker before my reversion, it just shows how difficult it is for some people to conceive of a life without alcohol.[/quote] Agreed! My brother actually refused to buy me a non-alcoholic drink at my sister's wedding. He was like "No, if I'm buying you a drink, then I'm buying you a *drink*" Br. Haaris, I bet we have many similar experiences like this! Esp. about alcohol and bacon which are so loved in our part of the world. And I'd love to know who the brainless idiot was who wrote that bulletin. wasalaam eleanor |
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| haaris |
| 11/28/01 at 07:48:18 |
| slm [quote]My brother actually refused to buy me a non-alcoholic drink at my sister's wedding. He was like "No, if I'm buying you a drink, then I'm buying you a *drink*[/quote] LOL!! How about this one: "Don't be so stupid! I've not brought you up not to drink!" ????!!!!! |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 11/28/01 at 18:05:12 |
| asalamu alaikum my dearest ;-) and :-) [quote]"What, you haven't had a drink for eight months!! [Mild expletive], you must be serious!!"[/quote] that is exactly the same with Kiwi culture, where the guys identify themselves with the beer they prefer- "Yep I'm a Tui man meself" or "A Southerner! so you're a Speights drinker then mate?" and the gals go by the colour of wine- red or white. Why is it that at every social occasion they HAVE to have a glass in their hand otherwise there is something wrong?! [quote]Yeah, it gets shady when the "families" are Muslims...[/quote] its sad how low some go to "fit in" with the non-muslims. There was a birthday party I attended many years ago where the 'muslim' family provided wine for the non-muslim guests... the shocker was when they 'accidentally' served my mother a glass of this wine saying it was grapejuice!! hmm there is a big difference between wine and grapejuice! Thankfully she was able to pick that up. That story was only an exception by the way, I haven't experienced any other situations like that. May Allah guide us all! wasalam, Ahmed |
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| MuslimaKanadiyya |
| 11/29/01 at 14:52:42 |
| slm, What a ridiculous statement! I'm sure most of us converted for other reasons than food (hmm, I like falafel, maybe today I'll become muslim!!! lol). I always avoided pork even as a kid -- I hated it, so I can't say that I've had any opportunity to miss it. As for any hotdog cravings, we can always buy halal/kosher wieners. How silly. wlm, Leslie |
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| taueeya |
| 11/30/01 at 01:05:32 |
| Assalamu 'Alaikum, This reminds me of an incident that happened to me on my flight to States from Pakistan. The air hostess was serving alcohol to passengers on board and she came to me and asked me "Sir, would u like to have wine, beer or something else?" I smiled at her and answered "I am a Muslim, I don't drink!". She struck me casually on my arm and said, "Well, some Muslims do drink." And I was like ):( ):( ):(. For some reason, I didn't like the situation because I had ordered special Muslim food and she knew that because she had served me that special Muslim food, and I think that she did it on purpose. Wallahu 'Alam. Wassalam. |
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| Mystic |
| 11/30/01 at 05:18:54 |
| [slm] The anger I feel is beyond amazing, especially at the point of realization...but at the same time, we can't let the anger get the better of our intellect...because that is the first and final step of "victory" for the "enemy". Staying put and organized and on task is the key. Its hard. But do what *you* have to do, to stay sane in the turmoil, pray, have faith, and Allah Will make it easy for us all Inshaallah (Amin). Maliha [wlm] |
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| M.F. |
| 11/30/01 at 06:36:55 |
| Here's my food story: Once when we were visiting my grandmother, she made us pizza and "forgot", and put ham or something on it. My mom had been a Muslim for about 18 years. Don't tell me someone's mother "forgets" something like that! |
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| Hajreee |
| 11/30/01 at 09:02:39 |
| Salaams wait, i'm confused... M.F.- you're a revert right? so your mom reverted and then you learned it from her?! or what? btw, i'm sorry, i'm not trying to be nosy...i just ask soo many people who are reverts their story because i admire them, they have been personally guided by Allah and understand the true meaning of Islam because they discovered it themselves, instead of the people today who are born in muslim families, but take it for granted... so if you wouldn't mind clarifying my confusion, that would be greatly appreciated :) take care everyone! Wa Salaams |
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| Caraj |
| 12/03/01 at 02:03:35 |
| Where can you read about Muslims dietary laws and such? If in the Quran where please? You all have my curiosity up now. :) |
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| Marcie |
| 12/03/01 at 06:10:55 |
| As salamu alaykum Hajree, Mariam's parents both reverted and made hijra to Morocco, so she is a born Muslim. Subhana Allah As salamu alaykum Marcie |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 12/03/01 at 21:03:12 |
| salam Cara, have you had any luck getting info on the dietary laws? The basic laws are- no alcohol or intoxicants (drugs etc), no pork (as in the old testament) you can read about it [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=brothers&action=display&num=5203]here[/url], also no blood (hence no animals that die from natural causes or strangulation). In the Quran it also says to eat meat where the name of Allah has been pronounced over it (surah 22:36-37). The pagans used to sacrifice their animals in the name of their false gods, so that meat is forbidden...however animals that are killed by Christians and Jews, who sacrifice it to Allah (or El or Dieu or Gott or God, depending on the language they speak) is permitted. hmm what else? brothers and sisters, please correct me if i'm wrong. wasalam, Ahmed |
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| Hania |
| 12/04/01 at 06:17:02 |
[quote]salam Cara, have you had any luck getting info on the dietary laws? The basic laws are- no alcohol or intoxicants (drugs etc), no pork (as in the old testament) [/quote] Really!? I was wandering why Jews and Muslims are not allowed pork but christians were. So in the old testament Pork is prohibited for Christians? I know there are a few Christians on this board and was wondering if anyone could answer my questions. a) what is the old testament. b) what is the difference between the new and old testament. c) what is the holy spirit d) Is Christianity a Mono-Theistic religion, or do Christains worship both Jesus and God? Thank you so much. :) Hania |
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| Anik |
| 12/04/01 at 07:14:28 |
| aslaamu alaikum, since it was the Bible which kinda led me to Islam (yeah i know, surprising) since i explored it first, i'll give it a shot. Pork is allowed to the Christians now since Jesus removed Old Testament laws, many of them. From a Christian point of view, 1) The Old Testament, OT, is a collection of books which contain the old Jewish or Judaic Law before the birth of Christ. It contains teh first 5 books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy) called the Pentateuch, and they are basically portions of the Jewish bible, or Torah... IT has stories of Moses, Adam, Joseph, Samuel, David, Solomon, etc.(Alahysalam)and old Judaic Law... Christians believe these instructiosn, many of them at least, have been aborgated and rescinded by the later coming of Jesus Allahysalam. 2)New Testament is the books, the bible after the coming of Jesus, which has the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and letters from the apostle Paul to various civilizations in the surrounding areas. They tell all of Christ's teachings and is almost like the "updated version of the software" for Christian God belief systems. 3)The Holy Spirit was something that came into this world so they believe when Christ died and all (AGAIN, IN CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE) your sins were sacrificed for through his alleged death... It is part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy spirit) and is quite vague actually and mysterious... some ppl might comare it to Ruh... it is supposedly the "spirit of God"... 4) Christians worship and consider themselves as monotheistic since "God and Jesus are one"... yes they worship them both... i have no idea how they justify it correctly... asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,. |
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| MuslimaKanadiyya |
| 12/04/01 at 14:10:00 |
| [slm] [quote]Pork is allowed to the Christians now since Jesus removed Old Testament laws, many of them.[/quote] One of my sisters who is Christian told me that the reversal on the prohibition of pork came from Saint Peter who said that he had a dream in which he was told that Christians are allowed to eat pork. So, I think that it's fair to say that Jesus (a.s.) never said any such thing in his lifetime. As proof that Jesus never said this, here are some passages of the bible related to the consumption of pork and the cleanliness of food: ---------------- "And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you" Leviticus 11:7 ------------------ About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Acts:9-15. ---------------- This passage goes on to explain that all people are clean too, and that God looks favorably on the believing Gentiles. Now, if you believe this to be the work of God, as Christians do, it becomes apparent that you will believe that the later passage abrogates the first one. There is also a passage in the book of Mark that Christians use to claim that the consumption of pork is allowed. Having read it, all I can see if that Jesus (a.s.) told some people who were washing themselves so that the food that they held in their hands wouldn't make them unclean that, "Nothing outside a man can make him `unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him `unclean.'" (Mark 7.15) That some Christians will use this passage to prove the legality of the flesh of swine is ironic, in a way, since only several lines before, Jesus is recorded as having said: 6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men." 9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, `Honor your father and your mother, and, `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: `Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." (Mark:5-13) Hmm, makes you think, doesn't it. [wlm] Leslie |
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