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| Finally, The Truth on National TV |
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| Hania |
| 12/03/01 at 13:00:33 |
| This was probably directed towards a christian audience but also applies to all. Finally, The Truth on National TV Billy Graham's daughter was being interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" And Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe that God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman that He is, I believe that He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand that He leave us alone?" I know there's been a lot of emails going around in regards to 9/11/01, but this really makes you think. If you don't have time, at least skim through it, but the bottom line is something to think about....In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body was found recently)complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible that says thou shalt not kill,thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbour as yourself. And we said, OK. Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide) And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we said OK. Then, someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued(There's big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said, OK. Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, OK. Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, OK. Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome,down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said, OK. And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to their free speech. And then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." "Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl killed in her classroom? " Sincerely, Concerned Student... AND THE REPLY "Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools". Sincerely, God. Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God. Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged. Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sundays, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. Are you laughing? Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them. Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me. Are you thinking? Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it....no one will know that you did. But, if you discard this thought process, then don't sit back and complain about what a bad shape world is in! |
| Re: Finally, The Truth on National TV |
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| eleanor |
| 12/03/01 at 13:40:54 |
| slm Excellent! Well thought out and written. Really makes you think about it. Jeremy, if you're still out there I hope you read this one. It might help in your question on "If there is a God, then why is there so much pointless suffering?" wasalaam eleanor |
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| Caraj |
| 12/03/01 at 17:42:44 |
| Hania I have only one word ..... WOW I am passing this on to everyone on my mailing list. Talk about something that makes you think. |
| Re: Finally, The Truth on National TV |
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| Saleema |
| 12/07/01 at 11:46:28 |
| [slm] God is a "Gentleman?" [wlm] |
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| eleanor |
| 12/07/01 at 14:20:41 |
[quote] God is a "Gentleman?" [/quote] that's one person's opinion. As a matter of fact, having read the post a number of times, I think it's a bit much to assume what God would or wouldn't do in any given situation. I posted it on another board. ( not a religious board) and let me tell you all the atheists were none too impressed with it! They were outraged at the fact that if you don't believe in God, then that's why bad things happen to you.. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Caraj |
| 12/07/01 at 16:38:25 |
| I don't believe that if you don't believe in God bad things happen to you, but one has to have a belief system of some sort. Maybe I should call it a morals system. I know wonderful,loving and kind people who do not believe in God. I know misrable people who profess to believe in God. Only thing I can say I think bad things happen cause God gives us free will. He gives us the choice to chose between good and evil. There is only one God and he is almighty and can do what he wants, with whom he wants and whan he wants. But he gives us free will to choose. Does this make sense? Hmmmmmm now this has gotten me to thinking :) There were both Christians and Muslims in the WTC but there was also people who chose to kill. I imagine he wants followers who believe in him of their own free will. Not forced. So if he gives free will I can imagine how awful it is for him to just stand aside and let things happen. OH NO I bet I just opened this subject up for a lot of opinion. All I know is both the Bible and the Quran from what I have read and what I am told is against killing and promotes Peace, Kindness, Love and Mercy. So if someone choses to not abide by that then bad things happen. I sure just wish all people would Love, and be kind and show mercy and not kill or hurt. And no matter if you call him God or Allah or Great Spirit or whatever... There is ONLY ONE GOD. I am so tired of the hatred and meaness. I think that is why I find this site so comforting. The Love and kindness is overwelming. Us Christians are so split into their own groups and some seem to put each others down. So far I have not seen that in Muslims. Does it exist? I have not seen it yet. If someone is mistaken I have seen here on this site where they are told by someone in a loving and respectful manor then given a reference. I thinks it's cool. OK I think I got off the main subject. :) |
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