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| Suha |
| 12/07/01 at 06:56:58 |
| assalamualaikum, i was just wondering, since every country has different times of .....hmmmmm....i cant remember the right word for it but you know when you begin the fast, and iftar, i wanted to know how long does an average Ramadan day last in your country. here in Holland it is from +/- 6.45 till 16.45 so almost 10 hours........ i have to go now bye |
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| Kathy |
| 12/11/01 at 10:30:09 |
| slm New York- Fajr is at ~6:00 Magrib is at 16:30 I modified this in order to prevent error. |
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| eleanor |
| 12/07/01 at 13:59:02 |
| slm Strange..Germany is right beside Holland, but our Ramadan times are the same as those of New York! this is a good reason not to rely on prayer charts, as mentioned in the Madrasat. Sr. Kathy did you say Suhoor is at 5 and Fajr at 6? I thought that you could keep eating up until Azan? Or have I been sadly mistaken? Oops.. let me know soon Insha Allah, so I can salvage what's left of Ramadan.. :-( wasalaam eleanor |
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| Kathy |
| 12/11/01 at 10:30:41 |
| slm Well- I do not know- I thought we had to stop a certain period before fajr- can't remember what that time period was called. It is one of those things- i have done for over 15 years.- doesn't mean it is right.... I can hear my son already... "that is the way my mom did it..." Help- anyone know? |
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| flyboy_nz |
| 12/09/01 at 22:09:19 |
| [slm] down here in NZ we start at 4.03am and finish at 8.40pm (those are the times today i think). There seems to be a practice to stop eating a period of time before the adhan...i think its called ismaak. I questioned our imam about it earlier on and he told me that this practice is bid'ah and you can keep eating up until the adhan. I'm sorry I haven't researched this further than that. all the best for the last few days!:) wasalam, Ahmed |
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| Hania |
| 12/09/01 at 23:50:58 |
| 4.03am - 8.40pm <collapses on the floor> Here in UK its from around 6am (not sure I always eat at 4.30am) until 3.55pm. I think this year fasting is easier in UK because Ramadan falls on the shortest days, but in a few years time Ramadan will be in the summer <collapse on the floor> How long do you think a fasting day will be in the summer time in New Zealand Ahmed? Han. |
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| Rashid |
| 12/10/01 at 00:30:47 |
| [slm] Sister Kathy in NY your maghrib is at 4:30 PM? here in Miami we are in the same time zone and ours is at 5:30 (17:30) Fajr is also 6 AM but the time comes in around 5:35 or so, so we fast for 12 hours. [wlm] |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/10/01 at 09:23:17 |
| [slm] You can eat and drink until the adhaan of fajr. That means that if adhaan is at 6:01 am, you can eat and drink until 6:00:59 am. In Muslim countries, you usually eat and drink until you *hear* the adhaan (which is audible, of course, in every neighborhood). The sunnah is to delay the suhoor (eating and drinking before fajr) as much as possible. That is, eat and drink until as close as fajr as possible. The sunnah regarding breaking the fast is to do it as quickly as possible. P.S. Just be careful that you are SURE about when exactly fajr begins, and that the clock you are following is *accurate.* Same thing about maghrib. |
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| Barr |
| 12/10/01 at 16:12:07 |
| Assalamu'alaikum, [quote]There seems to be a practice to stop eating a period of time before the adhan...i think its called ismaak. I questioned our imam about it earlier on and he told me that this practice is bid'ah and you can keep eating up until the adhan. I'm sorry I haven't researched this further than that.[/quote] It's actually called imsak. There's a hadith which relates that the amount of time between imsak and Fajr is abt the amountof time that one would read 50 ayahs. So, that's about 10 minutes, more or less. I'll try and get it, inshaAllah. Or if anyone here can put it up? :) Thanx :) This is the first time that I've heard that this is bid'ah. InshaALlah, I'll try and find out too. However, as far as I know, one can still eat up till Fajr, but imsak is just like a buffer period, so that one would not accidently eat over the time of Subuh(Fajr). Just don't make it as an obligatory thing that one HAS to stop eating during imsak. Allahua'lam (Please correct me if I have erred) Oh yes! Fajr is about 5:30 and maghrib, is nearly 7.00pm |
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| akbalkhan |
| 12/10/01 at 23:03:46 |
| From Maliks Muwatta: Book 9, Number 9.15.49: Yahya related to me from Malik that Abd al-Karim ibn Abi'l-Mukhariq al-Basri said, "Among things the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said and did are: 'As long as you do not feel ashamed, do whatever you wish', the placing of one hand on the other in prayer (one places the right hand on the left), being quick to break the fast, and delaying the meal before dawn." Fajr times listed on the charts around here say 5:20AM for the pre-dawn meal, however sunrise is not until 7AM? Iftar according to the charts is 4:20PM, however it does not get dark until around 4:45PM? I usually wait to eat pre-dawn til around 6:30AM or so, and Iftar at 5 or 5:30PM after praying Maghrib. I have read hadiths that state this and the opposite, like those suggestions posted above. Regards, QAK |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/11/01 at 01:22:50 |
| slm [quote]There's a hadith which relates that the amount of time between imsak and Fajr is abt the amountof time that one would read 50 ayahs. So, that's about 10 minutes, more or less. I'll try and get it, inshaAllah. Or if anyone here can put it up? :) Thanx :)[/quote] Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.550 Narrated by Qatada Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet and Zaid bin Thabit took the 'Suhur' together and after finishing the meal, the Prophet stood up and prayed (Fajr prayer)." I asked Anas, "How long was the interval between finishing their 'Suhur' and starting the prayer?" He replied, "The interval between the two was just sufficient to recite fifty 'Ayat." (Verses of the Qur'an)." Visit: http://www.islamicfinder.org and enter in your zipcode, it'll insha'Allah give you the times, and you can see when fajr starts, and when maghrib starts, etc. There maybe differences of a few minutes depending on which method or part of the world you are in, (i.e. Muslim World League uses an 18 degree elevation at fajr, and ISNA uses 15 degree elevation (weird thing is that Dr. Siddiqqi's mosque is using the Muslim World League timing and he was the president of ISNA), but anyways the times aren't so different, maybe 15 minutes maximum. |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/11/01 at 01:28:54 |
| [slm] dawn \Dawn\, n. 1. The break of day; the first appearance of light in the morning Fajr (dawn) is different from sunrise (shurooq). Fajr is the first break of light after the night. The sun will begin to rise from the horizon usually about an hour and a half after dawn. Maghrib (sunset) is just that: the time when the entire disk of the sun disappears from the horizon. There is plenty of light at the moment when sunset (maghrib) occurs. It usually takes about half an hour or 45 minutes after maghrib for the first stars (planets, actually) to appear in the sky. P.S. It seems that the hadith about the 50 verses is referring to the fajr *prayer* (i.e. congregational?) and not the fajr *adhaan*. Wallahu a'lam. Maybe someone should check that. There is another narration in which the Prophet [saw] told his companions to eat and drink until Bilal makes the adhaan, and not to stop eating and drinking when the blind man (Ibn Umm Maktum) makes the adhaan. He said this because Ibn Umm Maktum used to ascend and make the adhaan before the actual time of fajr (kind of like a warning for people that fajr is about to approach, so they should hurry and finish up whatever they're eating). Right after him, Bilal would ascend and make the adhaan (again) - and that would be *actual* adhaan of fajr. The time difference between the two adhaans was simply that of one decending from the place of making adhaan, and the other ascending it. |
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| eleanor |
| 12/11/01 at 06:42:24 |
| slm [quote] In Muslim countries, you usually eat and drink until you *hear* the adhaan (which is audible, of course, in every neighborhood). [/quote] This is what my husband said. In Pakistan they eat and drink until they hear the adhan. So that's the start of Fajr time. I got a little shocked when I read Kathy's post and thought maybe we had been doing it wrong all along.. wasalaam eleanor |
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| Suha |
| 12/11/01 at 07:28:10 |
| salam everyone consider the following: if you live on the north pole or in that region, it will be day for 6 months and night for 6 months. how can one have Ramadan there?? do you perhaps take the same time as another place which does not have the same problem? |
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| BrKhalid |
| 12/11/01 at 10:54:45 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) The article below gives a good (if some what too technical) analysis of the subject of prayer timings and time for Suhur etc. Please note that it is written for the UK. The correct angle for the depression of the sun in the USA is 15 degrees I believe and not 18 degrees. [url]http://www.jas.org.jo/~muneer/Salat.pdf[/url] And another useful article I found [url]http://www.ummah.net/astronomy/saltime/[/url] |
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