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Firing inside Indian Parliament
jaihoon
12/13/01 at 05:32:22
Firing inside Indian Parliament*300 MPs safe*5/6 millitants killed*Army alerted in capital* According to a cameraman who witnessed the attack, one of the gunmen blew himself up in an apparent suicide attack. Officials said a bomb still had to be defused in the complex. Shortly after the attack, Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee appeared on television to announce that he and all his ministers were safe. But there were unconfirmed reports that one gunman might still be at large. There were other, unconfirmed reports that several people had been hurt inside the parliament. A cameraman was also said to have been injured. The army is still deployed at the scene, but the shooting appears to have ended. Security forces are also deployed around the prime minister's residence and government ministries, the defence minister said. It is believed to be the first time the Indian national parliament has been attacked. About 100 MPs were in the building at the time of the attack. As many as 30 people are reported to have been taken to hospital. The government has ordered that security be stepped up at state assemblies throughout India. [BBC]

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
bhaloo
12/13/01 at 08:53:22
slm I just saw this on the news, who are they blaming for this?

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Saleema
12/13/01 at 19:22:01
[slm] Well it certainly wasn't Muslims, so rest assured bhaloo. :) Had they been Muslims, they would have said it over and over again in their reports that it was Muslims who did it. [wlm]

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Anik
12/13/01 at 21:55:01
asalaamu alaikum, actually, I really hope it wasn't muslims, I overheard my mother speaking about it with someone- seems like big news. Apparently, it sounded like they were blaming muslims to me, but i didn't bother to find out. Vajpayee is actually my relative (i usually never divulge that, but what the heck, I'm sort of anonymous here), my uncle and cousin, and I really hope no muslim did those things... otherwise that would be bad for the ummah, for him, and for me. asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,.

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Abid
12/13/01 at 22:46:38
I hope it is not Muslims but my guess is that now it is Pakistan's turn. The war against terrorism will go for giving an INFINITE JUSTICE lesson to Pakistan, though I pray to Allah SWT that I am wrong, Ameen Wassalam

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Saleema
12/13/01 at 22:54:11
[slm] Wow. Vajpayee is your uncle and cousin? Well the suicide bombing alerted me somewhat, seems like the trademark of Muslims eh.... I will be quite surprise if it was Muslims that did it. 'Cuz the Muslim resistence isn't much *inside* India, not like that. Something terrible must have caused a stir if it was Muslims indeed, perhaps the bombing in Afghanistan So what does uncle think about Anik becoming Abdullah? I really don't mean to get personal but as a Muslim what's your stance on building a temple in place of where the Babri masjid stood? Feel free to ignore. :) [wlm]

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Moe
12/14/01 at 14:49:00
India blames Pakistan for attack By NIRMALA GEORGE-- Associated Press NEW DELHI, India (AP) -- India accused a Pakistan-based Islamic militant group Friday of carrying out the suicide attack on Parliament and demanded that Pakistan arrest the group's leaders. A day after the bloody assault claimed 12 lives, India demanded that Pakistan's government prove its commitment to fighting international terrorism by also halting the activities and freezing the funds of the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and another Islamic militant group also fighting for independence in the disputed Himalayan province of Kashmir. "Pakistan is against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations," responded Pakistan's foreign ministry spokesman, Aziz Ahmed Khan. "President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and the government have already condemned the incident." "Simply issuing a statement is not enough," he said, adding India would "have to provide us some evidence" that would be examined. Asked earlier if India would do so, Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh said: "No country reveals its methodology of gathering evidence." "India has technical evidence that yesterday's terrorist attack on Parliament House was not just against the symbol of Indian democracy and the sovereignty of the Indian people, that it was the handiwork of a terrorist organization based in Pakistan, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba," Singh said. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba denied involvement in Thursday's suicide attack, when five gunmen armed with AK-47s and explosives stormed the red sandstone Parliament complex, killing six security force personnel and a gardener in a 35-minute gun battle. The five attackers, who drove into the complex in a car with goverment markings, also died. "It's a pack of lies," Yahya Mujahid, spokesman for the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, said in Islamabad. "The attack was sponsored by India itself. The whole drama was staged to malign Kashmir's Islamic groups and to involve Pakistan." There has been no claim of responsibility, but the attack has heightened tension between neighbors India and Pakistan. India put its military forces on alert after the Parliament attack, but there was no indication Pakistan had done so. India demanded that Pakistan act against the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed, which is accused of carrying out a massive suicide bombing against the Jammu-Kashmir state legislature in October that claimed 40 lives. "Pakistan has asserted that it is with the rest of the international community in combatting terrorism and that it does not promote terrorism," Singh said. "We expect that Pakistan will abide with what it says itself." India has been skeptical of Pakistan's new role as a key ally in the U.S.-led global war on terrorism since Islamic militant suicide fighters hijacked planes and crashed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. President Bush offered the use of FBI and State Department terrorism specialists to find those responsible for Thursday's attack, phoning Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee that evening to express America's solidarity with India. "The events that occurred yesterday were perpetrated by terrorists no different in their objectives from those who attacked America on Sept. 11," U.S. Ambassador Robert Blackwill said Friday in a condolence visit to the Parliament. Lawmakers thumped their desks to support lower house Speaker G.M.C. Balayogi's tribute to the security officers for their "selfless courage and bravery" in battling the attackers Thursday. They stood in silence, then adjourned in a traditional gesture of condolence. India has long accused Pakistan of sponsoring and funding the Islamic militants fighting over Kashmir. India and Pakistan have gone to war twice over the territory, now divided between them. Pakistan says it supports the guerrillas' cause but denies aiding or funding the groups that are based on its territory. More than 100 Parliament members from the governing coalition met Vajpayee on Friday, demanding that India attack and destroy militant camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir. Asked whether India intended to take such action, Singh said: "India has said what it has to say through the voice of the statement of the Cabinet." The Cabinet issued a pledge on Thursday saying, "We will liquidate the terrorists and their sponsors, wherever they are, whoever they are."

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
Anik
12/15/01 at 21:06:15
asalamau alaikum, as far as I know, most media reports have claimed that it is an "Islamic" terrorist group. and claims that India did it themselves is a little far-fetched... Sr. Saleema, lol you don't have to be shy or scared to ask me anything lol He is a very reclusive man in our family- he always stayed away from family and never keeps contact.  He never settled down either, his life is politics.  Overall, they say he is a good person, his nephew (my cousin) was actually just at my home last summer... our family is pretty political actually, my dad's brothers were all RSS (I don't know if you know what that is) back in the 1940s... lol look at me spout all of my family life. Basically, not much family knows of my reversion; I keep it that way.  That's all I'll say about that. About certain issues, I often feel I have a much more balanced view than many people do in certain hindu/muslim issues- I have seen both sides at their best and worst to be honest and I think I have a fair judgment all the while trying to be as Islamic as possible.   When it comes to the Babri Masjid, that really is a whole issue on its own... it stems from years of bitterness from both sides... upon a visit to India, actually I was near Ayodhya this summer, I really heard some different views- and different stories.  I don't wanna get so deep into it, but my general outlook in the entire issue is that both sides have been wrong, one before and one at present. You might notice my posts are somewhat even critical of muslims- I feel its important to step out of denial, that many muslims do wrong things and that the flag of Islam is often wrongly waved.  On the other hand, I see the problems muslims face when they are judged based on the actions of Mughals (who I think in no way represent Islam, but I won't enter into an argument or debate with anyone who disagrees). Basically, sociologically, I think that when the general Indian population continues to see muslims as criminals, muslims (I should say some muslim "terrorist" groups) will keep acting that way- it's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Kind of like when you tell a kid he's good for nothing and delinquent, he usually grows up to be a criminal.  I see many conflicts as more ethnic culture clashes, political head-buttings, deep bitterness and buried feelings rather than pure religion. In fact, I just just now am sitting in party at my parents' house where people do not know I am muslim... and lots of this talk is going on... one guy, staright from Delhi, he even said to me just earlier this evening, so innocently and in such a "shareef" manner, "You know, these muslims, they are evil people..." and I explain to him what I think about how his view should be corrected.  But I can see somewhat what he is saying: for someone who knows nothing or has no hand in conflict, he feels threatened by a group of people who hate him, and thus he concludes that these people are evil.  He has seen nothing else; he believes the quickest thing he hears and often the loudest muslim opinion is not the concensus from muslims, but the fringe opinion which cause a lot of strife.  Problems also occur when any group of people side with their fellow countryman or religious fellow no matter whether he is right or wrong; these are all problems in India. Anyways, I can go on and on on this topic... but that's an overview.  It is VERY scary... let me tell you VERY scary to blend amongst both groups of people and hear them talk with their "guard down" and tongues relaxed... I know moulanas who have gloated about seeing streets of hindu corpses filling the roadside gutters (and then you think of your hindu family) and on the flip side, hearing hindus speak of slaughtering muslims and fighting in the name of Ram (and that pertains to the Babri masjid, where I still say that in the end, if violence comes to violence, Islam must be stood up for). VERY scary... and when you hear that you just see that the hate is often based on ignorance and arrogance... as well, that people need to stop seeing individual actions as group actions. asalamu alaikum. abdullah,.

Re: Firing inside Indian Parliament
BroHanif
12/16/01 at 06:21:32
AWW, [quote]I really don't mean to get personal but as a Muslim what's your stance on building a temple in place of where the Babri masjid stood? [/quote] I spoke to a Bro from India about this and he said It was the muslims themselves who were to blame here, they neglected the mosque for what it was used for and then people(hindus) tried to occupy it. And I know what you mean Bro Abduallah when we let orur tongues relaxed man its scary. Why so much hate ? Salaams Hanif
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