Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
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| Madinat |
| 12/14/01 at 01:18:02 |
| [slm] i know what you're probably thinking, and you're probably wrong. i just wanted to address the seeming hypocrisy of some college-age, unmarried muslim students i've been coming across lately. now i'm not as how you say, observant, as some people on this board, but i think it's ridiculous when you talk about dating a guy/woman and you casually mention that you haven't slept with him/her yet. YET?? excuse me? sometimes i feel like i'm the only virgin left. this is particularly the case when i meet a lot of first generation desi types, but ESPECIALLY the guys! i was born and raised in america, although i'm first generation myself, but i don't even date! and my mother would love for me to do so! the reason i mention this is 1. i'm tired of this double standard and wish it would stop and 2. there's been a lot of hijab/non-hijab on this board. and how modest you are if you can't even wear a simple scarf. i disagree. i've been "lurking" on this board for months wondering about the people of this community sorry if i offended anybody..... [wlm] |
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| Saleema |
| 12/14/01 at 01:44:36 |
| and how modest you are if you can't even wear a simple scarf. i disagree. I believe that Islam requires women to cover up properly, that includes the head, the neck, the chest, but could you please define the word "modesty" for me? Don't give me a dictionary meaning, well you can if you want :) , but I also want to hear what your definiton of modesty is. [wlm] |
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| Caraj |
| 12/14/01 at 03:07:36 |
| I am not Muslim ( as some here say on the board ... Yet :)) But even not being muslim I never was really an exposing type and never thought it was right. I never wore two piece bathing suits, ny dresses and skirts I felt most comfortable with below the knee length. Modest to me is not having short shorst, mini shirts, halter tops and such. And to be totally honest here I can't stand when women draw attention like that to themselves in front of my husband and sons. Even thought I am not a Muslim I always disliked seeing women exposing themselves and even though I do not condone or make excuses for crimes, I somehow feel women dressing inappropriate have no proper respect for their bodies and minds and if you flaunt it some men think they can take advantage of you. What is really funny is in the winters going to the barn I wear a large scarf which covers my head and wraps around my neck and for some reason last winter I got this good feeling inside. I liked being cover in that way. I, out of the blue got to feeling different and something about the head cover made me start think of God and modesty and the ancient days when women covered their hair and head. Ok I have no idea why I am saying all this but there is my two cents worth :) Oh and dating? Hubby and I are planning on starting a family next year and if we are blessed with a daughter THERE WILL BE NO DATING. I sure look on that now in a much different way. |
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| Rehana |
| 12/14/01 at 08:13:40 |
| [slm] Dating, as far as I know should not even exist in the Islamic lifestyle. Pre-marital relationships are haraam too. So if such practices are prevalent in our communities, then perhaps we should bring the inappropriateness of the behaviuor to the attention of the Brother or Sister concered???????? After all it would appear to be a violation of Sharriah? anyway...my pennys worth...hopefully, I haven't gone off at a tangent and totally lost the essence of the initial question. [wlm] :-( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [colour=blue]The purpose of men and women on earth[/colour=blue] - by Mufti Z.Bayat Why then have women been created? Allah Ta'ala desired that mankind should remain on earth and He granted women an important position for the procreation of mankind until Qiyamah. All the Ambiya (Alayhimus-Salaam) were born to some woman or the other. Even the Auliya-Allah were born of mothers. When women are fulfilling such a lofty role in the community, it proves without doubt that Allah has given position to women. Those that believe that the Shariah has not given women a high status and position are absolutely wrong. Nowadays, because only certain Ahadith are narrated to Muslim women in so far as their duties to their husbands, etc. is concerned, many women feel that they are here only to fulfil the needs of men; whereas this is not the case. Just as men have rights upon their wives, so too do women have rights upon their husbands. The correct thing to do would be to show each of the Divine Texts in their relative contexts. In this way, a fine balance is struck between the various Texts and a complete picture regarding each others rights and responsibilities are better understood. UNDERCURRENTS TO MISLEAD MUSLIM WOMEN... There is a clear under current at work in the media and educational institutes such as universities, colleges and in other forums in the form of seminars and conferences, with the direct collusion and connivance of hostile elements to (mis?)inform women, especially Muslim women, with regard to their rights. They are made to believe that they should enjoy "equal" rights with men and that they should put up resistance, fight and campaign for these "equal" rights. It is on this basis that some so-called "Muslim" organizations have set up "gender-desks"; to fight back for "equal" rights that have ostensibly been denied to them. Day by day a vicious and aggressive campaign is being undertaken by "Muslims" to convince Muslim women that their rights have been suppressed, that they do not enjoy any position in Islam, that they are merely door-mats and that they have no real status. We Muslims need to realize that this call is coming from those quarters who ultimately want to take the Muslim woman away from the real and original Islam and to attract her to a hybrid, distorted caricature of the real Islam - this is called the "enlightened" version of Islam. The Muslim woman, more than ever, needs to exercise her intelligence and understanding; she needs to view the matter in it's correct perspective. She needs to compare her position to that of the women of the world before Islam; the time when she had no position in life and no status in society. A woman was treated at that time as a real door mat. She was an object of oppression. Little girls were buried alive and most women were treated in the most despicable manner. If we had to study the history of Islam, you will no doubt agree that Islam gave them a status like no other religion or system in the world, oast present or future. Even in the present time, there are many countries in the world who hardly give women any rights; and what is ostensibily given to them as rights is a mere window dressing of rights, to hoodwink the double-faced UN and it's multi-faced organs. Islam has given women their due rights; Yes Islam does not want to give women the rights that the west wishes to give women; in fact, this is no "rights", but a mere deception of rights. It is just a way in which they are able to drag women out of the sanctity of their homes into the public arena, so that their men can fulfil their evil desires and lusts. They want to see women naked on the street, deprived of their real position, stripped of their dignity, honour and clothes. This is precisely what Islam does not wants for womankind... Unfortunately some "Muslims" have nalvely played into the hands of the cunning foxes. Or maybe they have deliberately chosen to work in cahoots with their "masters" - whom they adore and virtually worship. The wolves in sheeps skin are many these days. Distinguishing between friend and foe is becoming an increasingly difficult exercise these days. Among the people "employed" by these people are the so-called "scholars" of Islam, commisioned to "re-interpret", "revise" or "re-think" the Quran and Islam and make these "relevant" to our times. One of these so-called scholars is one American woman - some Amina Wadud Mohsin who recently came to South Africa and in collusion with local "scholars", went on a carefully planned mission to disrupt the unity of the Ummah and plant seeds of doubt and dissension in the minds of Muslim women accross the country. Let us realize that if we are not going to equip yourselves with proper Islamic knowledge; particularly our young Muslim women at schools, colleges and varsities or even at home; our Iman will be in grave danger. Let us learn to recognize our enemies from our friends. Merely to please our enemies are we going to turn away from our True Benefactor? This will indeed be most foolish! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.direct.za.org/ |
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| Hajreee |
| 12/14/01 at 17:42:38 |
| Salaams okee, after reading sis Ayesha's post- it's under the thread i started, go read it, it will bring a smile to your face- i've decided to delete my post..Why you ask? because i think it's better to just leave my opinions with me, no one here needs to know them ;) instead, i am going to go by my new motto "post less(hardly) and read more" that's all i wanted to say...Wa Salaams! :) |
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| se7en |
| 12/14/01 at 21:23:11 |
| as salaamu alaykum, hmm.. I don't think I understand your post completely. Sorry, I'm a bit slow :x Are you saying that we shouldn't be basing the presence/absence of modesty in a sister on the presence/absence of the scarf? Or that we should? Could you or some other kind person please clarify? I feel like Saleema :P "I don't get it!" Hehe.. Jazak Allahu khayran :) wasalaamu alaykum. |
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