Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?

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Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
MorningStar
12/14/01 at 05:53:10
If you are pregnant and you are getting the occasional spot bleeding, do you have to do ghusl before you can pray again?

Basically, is this bleeding treated in the same way as the bleeding during your period? OR is it considered an illness in which case you are not considered to be in an 'impure' state?
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
Lisha
12/14/01 at 06:46:00
as-salaam alaikum sister.

Isnt this dangerous (bleedin during pregnancy)???

I hope I'm not bein to nosey, but If ur bleeding whilst ur pregnant, I strongly advice u to go and see a docter!  It may be a real serious, cos far as I know bleeding durin pregnancy can result in having a miss-carriage!  But i aint got that much knowledge, so someone please correct me if i was wrong.

jazak'allah

take care
w'salaam
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
Hania
12/14/01 at 07:16:19
slm

I agree with Sister Lisha, see your GP, get a blood test done or pelvic examination.

Bleeding during pregagncy doesn't sound like the norm.

Hania.
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
MorningStar
12/17/01 at 07:51:18
Thanks for the concern sisters, and yes, you are correct when you say that bleeding is dangerous during pregnancy (it can result in a mis-carriage).

The problem has been checked out, but I'm still not sure whether you are allowed to pray if you are getting spot bleeding ?
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
Hania
12/17/01 at 09:37:58
slm

I am so happy dear sis that the preganacy is going well mashallah. I
was very worried. I tried to find information on this problem from a manual of Islamic law and this is what I found:

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'Prayer is not obligatory during menstruation or postnatal bleeding.'[/color]
The discharge you are having is not mensus thus I *think* your prayer will be valid. Your discharge is blood, and [color=blue]'blood is excusable whether much or little, regardless if from a squeezed pimple, a boil, a sore, cupped, or something else.'[/color] Thus since the blood is not mensus I think you can still pray.

But I might be wrong so plse don't take my word for it as solid.

wa'salam
Hania.
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
Marcie
12/17/01 at 14:48:14
As salamu alaykum

Congratulations on your pregnancy.

This is my husband's translation of Mohammad bin Salah Al-Uthameen's "Fiqh of Menses, Nifas and Natural Bleeding of Women"

From our understanding of your case this is what we read. There is the case of menses of the pregnant women.  In general once a woman gets pregnant her period stops.  If the pregnant starts bleeding two-three days before her delivery this is nifas. If the bleeding occurs before this time period (throughout the pregnancy) and follows the normal schedule of a woman's period most of the scholars (Malik, Schafee & Ibn Taymiya) agree that this is still considered the period, because there is nothing in the Quran and the Sunnah that says a woman will not get her menses when she is pregnant.  Thus the ruling regarding praying is the same as when you have your period.  Allahu Alim.  If you can it is probably best for you to ask a scholar or imam.

As salamu alaykum
Marcie
Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
Hania
12/17/01 at 16:24:13
slm

Marcie I think your information is more valid mashallah. I didn't realise bleeding during pregnancy was regarded as menses.

Does anyone know what actually causes the bleeding during pregnancy? I remember a story of an Italian pregnant woman that became pregant again while she was pregnant because she continued to ovulate after the first pregnancy.

Double-pregnant Italian awed by 'God's gift'

ROME, Oct 29: An Italian woman who will give birth twice within the space of three months has described her incredible ordeal as "a gift from God."

Flavia D'Angelo, 20, will this month give birth to Denise, a baby girl. She will then have to return to hospital within the next three months to deliver three more babies - a girl and two boys.

If no complications arise, she could become the first woman ever to be pregnant for 12 months in a row.

Speaking about her double pregnancy for the first time, D'Angelo said in an interview broadcast live on national television on Sunday that she felt both "happy" and "scared".

"I am scared, because I still don't know how the deliveries will work," D'Angelo said. "But this is undoubtedly a gift from God," she later told reporters.

According to scientists, the case has only one precedent and was caused by the fact that the woman continued to ovulate after her first pregnancy. Conceiving three more babies was in itself described as a "one in two million event."

"My first reaction was to burst out laughing, while she burst into tears and asked the doctor to take a closer look," said Riccardo Tarquini, D'Angelo's partner, when asked to describe their initial response to the news.

When the news hit the media, the couple took a holiday to hide from reporters. Now they plan to sell photographs of D'Angelo with a small baby and a pregnant belly to the press, the couple's lawyer said.

Re: Bleeding during pregnancy - Can you still pray?
amatullah
12/17/01 at 23:34:00
Bismillah and salam,
I found this here:
http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/fatawawom/menses.html#five


Ruling Concerning a Discharge of Blood Five Days Before Giving Birth



Question: A woman had bleeding during pregnancy, five days before giving birth, during the month of Ramadhan. Should that blood be considered menstruation or istihaadha and what are the obligations upon her?

Response: If the matter is as mentioned, with her seeing blood five days before giving birth, and she did not have any signs that labor would be soon, such as contractions, in that case, the blood is neither menstruation nor post-partum bleeding. It is simply irregular blood. Therefore, she should not abandon the acts of worship but she must fast and pray. If along with the blood she has signs that her labor is near, such as contractions, then it is considered post-partum bleeding and she abandons, due to it, praying and fasting. Then if she becomes pure after giving birth, she must make up the days of fasting but not the prayers.

The Standing Committee

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My own note is that when a woman has istihada and she has to still pray and fast what they recommend (i read in manhaj almuslim and fiqh alsunna) to do your wudu before each prayer. I think you may also do jam3 of prayers like to pray the thuhur and asr or maghrib and isha together. They said marital relations preferably only if absolutely necessary at this time.


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