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| Mystic |
| 12/23/01 at 20:42:29 |
| [slm] Did anyone hear about the Statement Muhammad Ali is supposed to make "IT IS NOT A WAR AGAINST ISLAM"...which is supposed to be aired on TV's across the middle east as well? I was curious to see what your thoughts were. I was pretty confused. Why would he "sell" out like that??? ):( Maliha [wlm] |
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| akbalkhan |
| 12/23/01 at 21:41:29 |
| Wa Lakum Salam, It depends on how well he is informed about what is going on. Some Muslims are so helplessly attached to their success and status afforded by blending in to the U.S. society, that part of attaining the status is acquiescing to what is taken as fact in the media. I am not well aware of his disease and any effects it may have on his judgement. As far as I know it is only motor-skill impairment. But if his decision making ability or judgement is effected by his disease then he is not really all that responsible for what he says and does, if I understand Islamic law on this topic. I certainly am not even trying to bare witness on any level for his actions or words, but his 'selling out' or not is definitely subject to a qualification of his perspective and consciousness of the facts available and his ability to differentiate between them given his age, his past profession, and his physical state. I personally have mixed feelings and opinions of Muhammed Ali, now and in the past, but I certainly do not dismiss the possibility that his comments are politically and economically driven. I was not aware of this statement he made, Shukran. Regards, QAK |
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| AyeshaZ |
| 12/23/01 at 21:53:36 |
Aslamu Alykum Wa RahmatuAllah, I am confused as well!!! WaSalamz |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/24/01 at 02:08:43 |
| [slm] As far as I know, Muhammad Ali hasn't made any such statement *yet*. He has been asked to make a statement of that sort, and his response has been: 'give me more details.' Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/24/01 at 02:18:16 |
| [slm] Here's the relevant article from the CNN website: Report: Group asks Ali to explain U.S. policy to Muslims December 23, 2001 Posted: 5:40 PM EST (2240 GMT) NEW YORK (AP) -- A Hollywood entertainment industry group is recruiting Muhammad Ali to film a public service announcement explaining American policy to Muslims in the Middle East, The New York Times reported Sunday. The boxer, who converted to Islam in the 1960s and refused to serve in the military when drafted during the Vietnam War, has been asked to film a one-minute spot designed to be aired on international networks, the newspaper said. Ali's spokeswoman, Jill Siegel, told the Times that Ali "definitely wants to do that" but said that he was waiting for the details of the project before making an agreement. The segment would be produced by an entertainment industry group that has contributed to the war effort, loosely called Hollywood 9/11 and overseen by the Motion Picture Association of America, the newspaper said. The announcement would be designed to air in several translations over networks such as Al Jazeera, the Middle East Broadcasting Centre and the Lebanese Broadcasting Corp., but the stations have not yet been contacted by the Hollywood group, the Times said. "Ali will hopefully be able to convey the idea that Muslims in America lead a free life, practice their religion in a form in which they choose to practice it," Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America, told the Times. Valenti told the newspaper that the announcement's second point would be that "it's not a war against Islam. It's a war against murderers who kill innocent people." While an editor at Al Jazeera told the Times that the network would consider running such an announcement, Fadi Ismail, the editor for current affairs for the London-based Middle East Broadcasting Centre, said it was not clear his network would. |
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| Mystic |
| 12/24/01 at 11:05:18 |
| [slm] [quote] Valenti told the newspaper that the announcement's second point would be that "it's not a war against Islam. It's a war against murderers who kill innocent people." [/quote] I heard the above statement on headline news and that reeled me...I do hope that Ali uses his discretion in this project. This whole thing sounds like some poor attempt at a Public Relations job to glossify the gory injustices being committed against Muslims across the globe. [wlm] |
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| NewJehad |
| 12/24/01 at 16:22:10 |
| Hmmmmmmmm whats the big deal? his a sports man not a famous religius figure? He is not famous for doing any big Islamic deeds. All he did was make a load of money in boxing. Its not seling out, was he ever in in the first place? Is he known for ever support Mujahideen efforts? |
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| Rashid |
| 12/24/01 at 21:16:13 |
| [slm] Brother NJ: Lots and lots of muslims in America were guided to Islam through the dawah of Muhammad Ali. When he refused to serve in the Vietnam war due to religious objections, that sparked a big controversy and his name was all over the news media. Especially a lot of black americans, they were guided to Islam influenced by him and by Malcolm X. As for him not being famous for doing deeds, he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars in relief efforts and for dawah purposes. Therefore any statement he makes regarding the crusade against Muslims will carry a lot of weight as he is a highly credible Muslim American. [wlm] |
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| Mystic |
| 12/24/01 at 21:19:22 |
| [slm] with all due respect, i did not post this to analyze Muhammad Ali's character or whether he is a true Muslim or not, or Muslim "enough" or not...i just heard it on the news and got really confused cuz like Bro Rashid jus' said it would carry weight, and I would hate to see him being used like a puppet for the West!!!!! Maliha [wlm] |
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| explorer |
| 12/25/01 at 06:56:47 |
| Whether he does 'big' islamic deeds or not is not the issue here (aren't good deeds supposed to be hidden from others?) He's one of the best known personalities around and very much influential so his words carry a lot of weight. When one goes onto the public stage and talk about Islam that individual has a responsibility of projecting Islam in the correct manner. Thats why its a big deal. |
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| Kashif |
| 12/25/01 at 07:35:25 |
| assalaamu alaikum I wouldn't call br.Muhammad Ali a sell-out at all. Ali is an ex-boxer and a Muslim celebrity. Therefore, one shouldn't be stunned if he passes a comment which reflects that background. Its different though when the head of an Islamic organisation, or a speaker says something like that, because from that type of person you expect an answer based in knowledge of the deen primarily, linked closely to knowledge of the way the world is. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| bhaloo |
| 12/25/01 at 12:58:15 |
| slm I agree with Rashid, Mystic, and Explorer. I find it odd that they are trying to get Muhammad Ali to make a statement for Muslims to try and change Muslim sentiment around the world. |
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| kiwi25 |
| 12/25/01 at 20:20:05 |
| salam, i just came back from watching the "muhammed ali" movie, it wasnt as good as i thought, i wished they had more 'islam and ali' init then ' women and ali' init...... but he is in real life a good spokesperson for anyone.... i was watching a religion program and they gave out a survey that showed that 67% of american muslims believe this war is agianst terrorism and not islam..... so maybe his words wont have such an impact ALLAHU ALIM! wasalam nouha:) |
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| amatullah |
| 12/25/01 at 20:29:13 |
| Bismillah and salam, Someone was telling me that there are more books published about Ali than there is about Jesus! Don't know whether i can believe that though. |
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| destined |
| 12/27/01 at 00:04:09 |
| [slm] [quote]Someone was telling me that there are more books published about Ali than there is about Jesus![/quote] That may be true. When he was on the Oprah Winfrey she introduced him as the most written about person in the entire world. But Allahu A3lam.. |
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| Arsalan |
| 12/27/01 at 00:11:58 |
| [slm][quote]Someone was telling me that there are more books published about Ali than there is about Jesus![/quote]I would be *very* careful saying anything like that without proof :) There is a LOT of stuff that has been written about Jesus (peace be upon him) both by Christians as well as anti-Christians (people who don't like Christians or Christianity) over the past 2 millenia! Ali may be the most written about person who is still alive (?) Wallahu a'lam. Wassalamu alaikum. |
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| Rashid |
| 12/28/01 at 00:34:37 |
| [slm] Getting back to the original topic, I was watching CNN last night and Jack Valenti, CEO of MPAA, was on saying that Muhammad Ali has "agreed in principle" to record a 30 second spot saying "Islam is a religion of peace" and it's not a war against Islam or Muslims What made more upset was Mr. Valenti all of a sudden believing himself to be a scholar, saying things like "We have to show them what Islam is, Muhammad Ali is a perfect example of that" and things to that effect. He also mentioned how this and other spots to follow would be translated to arabic, farsi, pashtun, and shown on Al-Jazeera and other outlets. ):( ):( ):( [wlm] |
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