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| rahimah |
| 02/25/02 at 03:38:00 |
| [slm] Insha Allah I hope everything is okay with you all :). Alhamdulillah I am also happy :) to find that the Madinah Message Borad has new nice appearance. There is a problem that I would to ask your advise. A sister, let us call her fulanah, is a student of computer science and she likes very much access internet. She find internet is very interesting, because she can get many good information from internet, also she can share good and islamic emails from internet. The problem, that sometimes she also do chatting using such maybe Yahoo Messenger, or MSN Messenger. She has some male online friends. Sometimes she chat with them discussing some interesting topic. But once she read that it is not permitted to chat between a male and female. But it is very difficult for her to leave her male online friend. Because she likes very much discussing with her friends. Usually they discuss about life, Islam, etc, and not speak about dirty things. Long time ago she tried many times to find online female friends on some islamic clubs, but seems no response :'(. Then what shall she do..shall she leave all his online male friends and she will miss all them? I hope u can give some advises for sister fulanah. Jazakallahu Khairan... [wlm] |
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| shareefa |
| 02/25/02 at 09:14:07 |
| from www.askimam.com Why is chatting with guys/girls haram if you're just chatting not doing anything? It's all typing words. Why is that haram? In many instances, it is not just chatting but flirting with words. The Jamiat is inundated with cases of chatting that have led to illicit and immoral relationships. It is strictly prohibited (Haraam) for strange males and females to have general conversations with each other through any communication, such as telephone, chat-line, CB's, etc. Often, such communications lead to many immoral acts and also cause marital disputes. Is it allowed for a male to chat with a female ONLY about Islam, in the presence of other people in the chat room? The female will be treated as a sister. It is not permissible for a male to chat with females. You may refer them to reliable Islamic sites or advise them to refer to their local Ulama. We have come across many incidents where boys and girls have 'sincere' chat sessions that lead to a promiscuis relationship. Where in koran does it say that boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is forbidden,including that they do nothing wrong? Consider the following injunctions of the noble Qur'aan: 1. Lowering the gaze 2. Hijaab 3. Women staying in the confines of her home 4. Prohibiting women speaking in an alluring tone The above injunctions from the noble Qur'aan are sufficient to explain the prohibition of boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. It is haram (strictly prohibited) for a male as well as a female to have any type of pre-marital relationship. Can we talk to a non-mehram making him a brother and calling him so as well? Is it permissible to talk to a guy over the net if you make him your brother? But he is a total stranger. It is not permissible for Ghayr Mahram males and females to chat with one another over the internet. :( ??? |
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| jannah |
| 02/25/02 at 11:57:58 |
| [quote]Women staying in the confines of her home [/quote] question.... where does it say this in the Quran?? |
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| rahimah |
| 02/26/02 at 03:47:24 |
| [slm] Jazakallahu Khairan for your response. So it is clearly haram to speak online with opposite sex eventhough we just speak about Islam or something good and not speaking about love, romance, or dirty things? [wlm] |
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| eleanor |
| 02/26/02 at 07:00:58 |
| [slm] [quote author=Rahimah Nur Syahidah link=board=madrasa;num=1014626281;start=0#3 date=02/26/02 at 03:47:24] So it is clearly haram to speak online with opposite sex eventhough we just speak about Islam or something good and not speaking about love, romance, or dirty things? [/quote] The problem here is that nothing about chat rooms or Internet is clear. It cannot be, for there were no chat rooms or internet in the days of our Prophet [saw]. What we do know, is that women are not supposed to be alone with a non-Muhram male at anytime. Whether they are speaking about Islamic issues or not. I don't think anyone can disagree with that. Therefore, using Yahoo Messenger or MSN Messenger is not much further afield from that. You are having a one to one conversation, with no one else there to (a) monitor it or (b) guide it. And this is where the danger lies. There is a hadith for which unfortunately I don't have the reference at the moment, where the Prophet speaks of matters which are neither haraam or halal but which are ambivalent. (undecided). He advises us to stay away from the ambivalent because of the danger of falling into the haraam. It is likened to a shephard who grazes his sheep around forbidden pasture. There is more likelihood that his sheep will enter forbidden pasture than if he had stayed far away from it in the first place. I have also read the reason a man's awrah is navel to the knees, is that his thighs and his lower belly are akin to being the fields around the forbidden pasture. So my advise in this situation is that you advise the sister to gently break off contact with these males and to please get her to join this board, where any number of us sisters would be only too delighted to communicate with her, in any way she wants. If these male "friends" of hers are as pure in intention as it appears, then they will understand her reasons for finishing communication. Insha Allah you have understood what I wrote. It is only my own thoughts and opinions on the matter. Anything worthy is from Allah, the mistakes are my own. Take car, Insha Allah. May Allah guide us all to know what's best in each and every situation. Ameen. [wlm] eleanor :-* |
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| Abu_Atheek |
| 02/26/02 at 23:21:04 |
| [slm] [quote]Women staying in the confines of her home question.... where does it say this in the Quran?? [/quote] |
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| Jenna |
| 02/27/02 at 18:15:14 |
| Wa'alaikum Assalaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh [quote author=jannah link=board=madrasa;num=1014626281;start=0#2 date=02/25/02 at 11:57:58] question.... where does it say this in the Quran??[/quote] From Islam-QA.com Question: can women go to the shops and markets? alee (r.a.a) said have you no ghairah that you let your women folk go where they go(the market) Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Undoubtedly it is better for women to stay at home, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And stay in your houses” [al-Ahzaab 33:33] And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Their houses are better for them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Salaah, 480. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, 530). Undoubtedly, giving women absolute freedom to go out is contrary to the commands of sharee’ah. Guardians have to be guardians in the fullest sense. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women” [al-Nisa’ 4:34] Women should not go out unless it is necessary, and when it is necessary for a woman to go out, it should be with her husband’s permission. She should be careful to avoid that which Allaah has forbidden, and she should wear full hijaab, covering her face, etc. If she goes out wearing adornments and makeup or perfume, then this is not permitted. If there is no danger of fitnah and women go out in the manner required by sharee’ah, there is nothing wrong with their going out. Women at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to go out to the market-places without mahrams. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) permitted women to go out if there is an urgent need. He said, “It is permissible for you (women) to go out for your needs.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Tafseer al-Qur’aan, 4421). Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari, Ibn Battaal said: The interpretation of this hadeeth is that it is permissible for women to engage in dealings according to their needs. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=9937&dgn=3 ~~~~~ The Verse in the Qur'aan concerning confineing Women was: "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness . . . confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way." [al-Nisaa’ 4:15] yet this verse was abbrogated as stated here: http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=839&dgn=3 ~~~ InshaAllah I hope this helped Your Sis in Islaam Jenna :-) |
| NS |
| 02/27/02 at 18:22:18 |
| Jenna |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 02/27/02 at 19:06:45 |
| [slm] Eleanor, you continue to amaze me with your insights about issues, subhan Allah! May Allah (swt) increase your knowledge and understanding about His Deen, and make its practice for you an easy task. Ameen. Regarding what has been said about the ayah in Surah al-Ahzaab, this is an interesting excerpt from a book written by Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi called [i]Priorities of the Islamic Movement In the Coming Phase[/i]. To read the whole chapter, [url=http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/poimitcp/chapter2.htm#The%20Islamic%20Movement%20And%20Women%20Activity][color=red][u]click here[/u][/url][/color]: A Potential Objection and Its Rebuttal: Hardliners may ask how we want Muslim women to play an active role in the Islamic Movement and act as leaders to prove their presence in the field of Islamic work while they are ordered in the Holy Quran to stay in their homes (And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance) [Surat AlAhzab: 33]. My answer to such zealous questions is that this verse was addressed to the Prophet's women, who had a special position that no other women would have, and were subject to restrictions that do not apply to other women. Allah the Almighty says to them in the Holy Quran, (O consorts of the Prophet! You are not like any of the [other] women) [Surat AlAhzab: 32]. However, this verse did not prevent Aisha from going to war in the Battle of the Camel, to demand what she thoud>MuSLiMa |
| 11/17/00 at 23:37:25 |
| Oh how i love kids masha-Allah and i loved reading those stories :) i am 22 and i have an almost 13 month old sister now, yes, big gap ... but i love her to bits masha-Allah ... naturally children do many things daily to amaze you and want you to want them keep on repeating them! maybe they get sick of us :) one of the things my sister does is sit on the floor on her bottom, then she kinda turns to the side, puts her hands on the ground next to her and does a kinda turn and sits on her bottom again ... so in the end she just goes around in a circle, sitting, then doing a turn and sitting next to where she was previously ... sometimes she goes fast too and loses her balance ... hehe ... one other thing she does while eating is that when she puts mouth in her food, she coughs [deliberately] so we can tell her "smallah" [not sure how to translate] ... so we tell her and she coughs again and we tell her again and if we DON'T tell her, from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them, or Allah ordains for them some [other] way} [Surat AlNisa: 1 5]. Morever, Allah's saying (And make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance} [Surat AlAhzab: 33] indicates that it is legal for women to go out if they are dressed modestly and do not make a dazzling display, for a woman is not to be prohibited from displaying herself within her home, as she is allowed to dress and make herself beautiful as she likes at home. What a woman is ordered to refrain from is to make herself beautiful and display herself when she goes out on the street or goes to the market or anywhere else, so as to avoid any suspicion of dazzling display. |
| 02/27/02 at 19:09:41 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Othman |
| 02/27/02 at 20:12:34 |
| [quote author=Jenna link=board=madrasa;num=1014626281;start=0#6 date=02/27/02 at 18:15:14]Wa'alaikum Assalaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Their houses are better for them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Salaah, 480. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, 530). Undoubtedly, giving women absolute freedom to go out is contrary to the commands of sharee’ah. Guardians have to be guardians in the fullest sense. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) permitted women to go out if there is an urgent need. He said, “It is permissible for you (women) to go out for your needs.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Tafseer al-Qur’aan, 4421). |
| NS |
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| se7en |
| 03/03/02 at 14:14:23 |
| as salaamu alaykum, [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=masjid&action=display&num=3874][Here][/url] is an excellent article on the rights of women. |
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