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| Unbelievable, US forces being taken apart!! |
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| mujaahid |
| 03/05/02 at 07:15:04 |
| Assalaamu-alaiakum Just check this out from Azzam, its amazing and unreal the success of the mujaahideen!! From www.azzam.com GARDEZ (Special Report) : Two American CH-47 'Chinook' helicopters each carrying 20 fully armed troops have been shot down by Mujahideen during fierce fighting in Gardez. On Friday night, US forces backed by their Afghan allies launched a combined air and ground assault against Taliban and Al- Qaida Mujahideen positions in the mountains in the Zarmand Region of Gardez Province. According to reliable sources on the ground, Taliban Guerilla Commander Mulla Saif-ur-Rahman Mansoor is leading the Mujahideen in this battle. Mulla Saif-ur-Rahman is a young religious scholar, who is the son of another religious scholar, Mulla Mansoor. During the Taliban rule, he was also the Commander of the Kurha Baagh region 50km North of Kabul. On Saturday, US and Afghan troops launched a ground attack against Mujahideen positions supported by an array of helicopter and aircraft gunships. However, characteristic of the guerilla type of warfare in Afghanistan, Mulla Saif-ur-Rahman's troops were lying in wait in the mountain passes and they launched a series of deadly ambushes against the enemy convoys. At least seventeen US troops and 40 of their Afghan allies were confirmed killed during these ambushes: these figures were given as the US forces were unable to recover all of their dead from the scene of the ambush. Over 200 of the combined US-Afghan forces were injured and ambulances and helicopters were witnessed carrying the wounded to hospitals in Northern Alliance and Pakistani territory. On Sunday night, one fully laden, US CH-47 troop carrying helicopter bringing reinforcements to the frontline, was downed by Mujahideen surface-to-air weapons, killing all 20 troops on board. On Monday, another identical helicopter, carrying 15-20 troops was also shot down by Mujahideen anti-aircraft fire, bringing to total 40 US troops who were killed in both crashes. The Pentagon and international media agencies acknowledged the shoot down of the second helicopter on Monday, but said that only six soldiers were killed. Such a statement is laughable, given that to use a huge troop carrying helicopter with a capacity of 20 troops, just to carry one soldier (plus five crew) in combat, is an inefficient use of fuel, energy, resources and manpower. Elsewhere, significant numbers of US troops have been killed in fierce fighting. According to eyewitnesses, the number of casualties are in such huge numbers that it is difficult to estimate the correct number at this moment in time, thus the figure of 60 dead (20 x 2 helicopters + 17 in ambushes), which is set to rise, has been given. Khost Hospital is full to capacity with injured. After these heavy losses the US has lost its hold and thousands of its purchased locals have run away. After retreating, the US has started aerial bombardment using their new 2000lb thermobaric bombs, which have been dropped without aim, using B-52 bombers. These bombs are designed to penetrate 6m into the ground before detonating. However, due to the heavy snow present at the scene of the battle, these bombs have not thus far been effective in this fighting. Reliable eyewitness sources have also said that the US has used chemical weapons in this attack, due to the type of multi-coloured disfiguration found on the bodies of the martyred and injured Mujahideen who have been brought into medical centres in friendly areas. After this cowardly retreat, it is not expected that the US will sustain ground operations against Mulla Saif-ur-Rahman's positions, preferring instead the warfare of the weak, by bombing from several miles high. The Pakistani Government and Army will also be in mourning as it had sealed its borders and was expecting the US troops to defeat the Mujahideen. The Muslims should be grateful to Allah for these victories and should be rest assured that wars last several years; they are not won by the rise or fall of paper-based governments. A day for them and a day for us, such is the nature of war, of alternate successes. Allah will never allow the disbelievers to dominate over the believers. Allah is Great and the Honour is to Islam. THREE US SOLDIERS KILLED IN THE LATEST ATTACKS AT KANDAHAR AIRPORT KANDAHAR (Special Report) : Unknown assailants launched an attack at Kandahar Airport last night and killed three US soldiers. The US Army blamed the Pashtuns for this attack without going into any interrogations and assigned the task of arresting the Pashtuns, to paedophile Gul Agha. According to reliable sources the US is about to remove Gul Agha from the governorship of Kandahar. These guerrilla raids at the US marines and their positions have created mental disturbance among the US ranks. They are in search of such a person who can free their lives from these daily guerrilla raids, but since the local people hate them, it is impossible for them to find such a governor. US SOLDIERS HAVE STARTED TO PACK UP FROM KANDAHAR AIRPORT ISLAMABAD (Special Report) : US forces have begun shifting their troops to the Bagram Airbase near Kabul, away from Kandahar Airport. According to the Voice of Germany, the recent, frequent guerrilla raids have forced the US Administration to shift their troops to Bagram Airbase near Kabul instead of keeping them at Kandahar Airport. On the other hand, German soldiers present in the International force in Kabul still say that Kabul is not a completely safe city. US F-14 'TOMCAT' FIGHTER SHOT DOWN OVER BALOCHISTAN-AFGHANISTAN QUETTA (Special Report): A US Navy F-14 'Tomcat' fighter jet has been shot down over the Balochistan-Afghanistan border by hostile fire. The Pentagon acknowledged the loss of an F-14 which took off from the aircraft carrier, USS John F Kennedy, but as usual, they attributed the loss to technical failure. The Pentagon said that of the two pilots, one was killed whilst the other managed to eject. |
| 03/05/02 at 07:15:39 |
| mujaahid |
| Re: Unbelievable, US forces being taken apart!! |
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| Kashif |
| 03/05/02 at 21:36:44 |
| assalaamu alaikum The loss of 10 US soldiers or 20 or 200 by no means indicates that they're being torn apart. |
| NS |
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| stap |
| 03/06/02 at 01:11:17 |
| Several Apache helicopters have been put out of commission and almost every helicopter has been hit. From CNN: "SAVIDGE: Twice we loaded in Chinook helicopters. We were with the 10th Mountain Division. We were in the second flight of what was called D-Day. The first group to go into the area from 10th Mountain was Charlie Company. They actually got in the night before. They said the moment after they got on the ground in a valley and the helicopters left -- 45 seconds later -- they came under intense attack from small arms, machine guns, .50-caliber sniper and mortars. They said those mortars had the accuracy the like of which they had never seen before. Within half an hour, their own mortar was taken out of action by an enemy mortar round that destroyed the ammunition. " Remember to make Du'a! |
| 03/06/02 at 01:11:53 |
| stap |
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| mujaahid |
| 03/06/02 at 04:45:17 |
| Assalaamu-alaikum Kashief, the US troops are being killed of all over the place, bit by bit, ambush by ambush they are being hit hard, helicopters and aircraft are going down left, right and centre!! Kashief you said this fight was lost, but it isnt, its far from over, in fact the Guerilla war is only now kicking into affect! May Dua for the mujaahideen STAP, are thier any other stories like the one you posted? |
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| Kashif |
| 03/06/02 at 06:12:02 |
| [quote author=mujaahid link=board=ummah;num=1015330505;start=0#3 date=03/06/02 at 04:45:17]Assalaamu-alaikum Kashief, the US troops are being killed of all over the place, bit by bit, ambush by ambush they are being hit hard, helicopters and aircraft are going down left, right and centre!! [/quote] Other than Azzam.com where is this news coming from? How many sources is this coming from? |
| NS |
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| mujaahid |
| 03/06/02 at 09:15:53 |
| Kashief Azzam often publish news from other news agencies such as the Islaamic press etc. I am gona take the word of the Muslims over the kaafirs. We all know the US only admitted one helicopter went down becasue it was caught on Camera. Everything else we hear is often "it crashed, mechanical fault, no nothing happened its all lies", thats what they always say, but do we believe them or the Mujaahideen? According to the BBC, Azzam gets 15 million hits a day. Now that is massive, why would so many poeple visit it if its unreliable? |
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| Kashif |
| 03/06/02 at 12:33:34 |
| assalaamu alaikum The point is that these past five months you've quoted various articles saying that sometimes 10 soldiers have died, other times 20 .. other times more than that. But the open record seems quite different. If they had died, then how come no news even yet? How come the dead soldier's families aren't coming forward saying something about a lack of contact with their acquaintances in the army. The cover-up couldn't go that deep! |
| NS |
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| ahmer |
| 03/06/02 at 12:53:53 |
| [slm] i was really really surprised at the '15 million hits' !!! a BIG correction, after a lil search ..BBC did not say that there are 15 million hits on azzam.com. a journalist told BBC that there are so many hits. the whole quote from the news story is "Azzam.com receives approximately five million hits a day across the world, and if you were to add up all the sister sites they have, you are possibly looking at 15 million hits a day," Mr Kahan says." [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1823000/1823045.stm[/url] i don't quite understand how these kind of messages are serving any good to islam when i tell my non muslim friends to come to this website and read stuff here. If just.. our one word or one line repels a single Muslim away from Islam, we are going to be answerable to Allah. What's the priority here??!! We are all smart enough to understand and believe what is going on! [quote] Kashief, the US troops are being killed of all over the place, bit by bit, ambush by ambush they are being hit hard, helicopters and aircraft are going down left, right and centre!! [/quote] No comment..!! but even if it is true, does it prove anything? the reality is that we are at the bottom of the pit and this rejoicing will not do any good either. [wlm] ahmer |
| 03/06/02 at 12:56:11 |
| ahmer |
| Re: Unbelievable, US forces being taken apart!! |
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| mujaahid |
| 03/06/02 at 13:42:34 |
| [slm] What is wrong with you guys? Recently the US government/military admitted they had delibrately mislead the media by planting false and misleading stories in the media! Yet your STILL taking the words of these people over the mujaahideen! Get your prioties right guys, this is a war against islaam. Wake up, support the mujaahideen in whatever ways you can, stop questioning them in these way, you are basically accusing Azzam of lying and not being honest. Dont you know its haraam to falsly accuse muslims? You have two choices. 1) Believe the US version. or 2) Believe the Mujaahideen Version. The US said this war was won way back( they even claimed that its only mopping up operations that were left. The Taliban said this is far from over, and that the war has only just began, that they will fight a guerilla war. Many muslims said the war over. It seems now the talibans promise is being lived out. They are fighting back, and fighting hard. The US special forces, i have read, often dont make contact with families for years. Its been all special forces in action recently. Wonder why thier families havnt complained? Because they expect not to hear anything for a long time. I suppose when CNN start saying dozens of US forces have been killed you will listen and believe it. Yet when the muslims say it, you wont believe it. Whats going on? You KNOW how the media lies and distorts the truth about islaam. You can see that with your own eyes, hear it with your own ears, but you go to the muslims and from them you get the truth about islaam, yet when the kaafirs start giving you THEIR version of events, you believe them, over the muslims, you doubt the muslim version of events, yet you dont hold the kaafir versions with the same contempt. You know how they lie about islaam to get thier agenda across, yet you seem to believe them over the muslims. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 03/06/02 at 14:59:58 |
| mujaahid, hey dont let these naysayers get you down, you have the best posts on here by far. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 03/06/02 at 18:19:22 |
| here is a dumb question: is it haraam to falsy accuse non-muslims also or does that apply only to muslims? and by the way, Jannah, this is a great wbsite, easy to navigate, but one small complaint for us 2 fingered typists, where is the spellcheck? |
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| Abd_al-Rashid |
| 03/07/02 at 08:42:11 |
| [slm] It's haraam to falsely accuse anyone, muslim or not. This falls under the general category of lying and slandering. [quote] Get your prioties right guys, this is a war against islaam. Wake up, support the mujaahideen in whatever ways you can, stop questioning them in these way, you are basically accusing Azzam of lying and not being honest[/quote] I have a question for the brothers and sisters that don't support the Jihad, is there a particular reason? I'm curious. [wlm] |
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| stap |
| 03/07/02 at 11:13:42 |
| Not to question Azzam, but I doubt that US forces have been dying in the numbers that they describe. A US soldier who sees his comrade shot dead would not stand by while it's covered up. There would be a big uproar. Anyway, keep in mind that the US mass media for the most part will not be reporting successes that the mujahideen come by. But occasionally, something slips through. From ABC News: "Reports: Al Qaeda Regrouping But al Qaeda and Taliban fighters hiding in the mountainous terrain around Gardez have been putting up a stiff guerrilla resistance, emerging from ridges overlooking coalition positions with machine guns and wide grins between bombings before sprinting back to their positions when the bombings resume. Capt. Kevin Butler said just before missiles would hit, al Qaeda fighters would duck into caves from their positions launching mortars at his troops below. Once the F-15s left, the enemy fighters would emerge only to throw stones, wave and shout taunts at the Americans in a show of defiance. "I've never been so frustrated and angry," said Butler, 30, from Pattenburg, N.J." From CNN: "By dusk, just as the U.S. forces dug in, the Taliban came striking out of that village. First it began with AK-47 fire. It moved up, though, to heavy machine gun fire, and then came the mortars, and the mortars are fired with a great deal of accuracy. U.S. soldiers say that they are surprised not only by how well the mortars are used but also that many of these Afghan Taliban and al Qaeda are making very good shots. They weren't expecting that. " |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 03/07/02 at 11:18:15 |
| [slm] [quote] From CNN: "By dusk, just as the U.S. forces dug in, the Taliban came striking out of that village. First it began with AK-47 fire. It moved up, though, to heavy machine gun fire, and then came the mortars, and the mortars are fired with a great deal of accuracy. U.S. soldiers say that they are surprised not only by how well the mortars are used but also that many of these Afghan Taliban and al Qaeda are making very good shots. They weren't expecting that. " [/quote] the cries of "Allahumma saddid ramyahum" from the believers' hearts, in their qunoots, in their sujood, in their qiyaams, are not ignored by Allah (swt). |
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