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| The Awakening |
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| princess |
| 03/07/02 at 13:46:03 |
| as'salaamualikum ;D The Awakening In the early dawn of happiness you gave me three kisses so that I would wake up to this moment of love I tried to remember in my heart what I'd dreamt about during the night before I became aware of this morning of life I found my dreams but the moon took me away. If lifted me up to the firmament and suspended me there. I saw how my heart had fallen on your path singing a song Between my love and my heart things were happening which slowly, slowly made me recall everything You arouse me with your touch although I can't see your hands. You have kissed me with tenderness although I haven't seen your lips You are hidden from me But it is you who keeps me alive. Perhaps the time will come when you will tire of kisses. I shall be happy even for insults from you. I only ask that you keep some attention on me -rumi |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/07/02 at 14:02:15 |
| [slm] I have a lot of "questions" about this poem, who is that is doing the kissing? ??? |
| *ahem* |
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| princess |
| 03/07/02 at 14:06:39 |
| walikumas'salaam warahmatullah ;D [quote author=bhaloo link=board=bookstore;num=1015526763;start=0#1 date=03/07/02 at 14:02:15] I have a lot of "questions" about this poem, who is that is doing the kissing? ???[/quote] our Creator :) :-* |
| 03/07/02 at 14:07:10 |
| princess |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/07/02 at 14:20:37 |
| [slm] I personally don't like the use of these analogies, and stay very far from it. [quote author=princess link=board=bookstore;num=1015526763;start=0#0 date=03/07/02 at 13:46:03]as'salaamualikum ;D Perhaps the time will come when you will tire of kisses. I shall be happy even for insults from you. I only ask that you keep some attention on me [/quote] I don't like this analogy about tiring, Allah does not tire. Why would someone be content with insults? If someone is doing something wrong that is displeasing to Allah, one would be happy? |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| BroHanif |
| 03/07/02 at 18:02:09 |
| Some of rumis poems are very dodgy, this one for instance I think should be removed. |
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| Ghurabah |
| 03/07/02 at 18:12:34 |
| [slm] Errmm...can I ask a question? Rumi's a Sufi, innit? Hmm..someone told me he was into mad mysticism and stuff... WAllahu a'lam.. Alright Peace Zakira |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| jaihoon |
| 03/07/02 at 19:58:02 |
| True he was a sufi. And that his poems are dodgy. He was into REAL MAD sufism. So much that when once in a wintry night while performing prayer, his tears were rolling down the cheek. It was a cilly night. The tears got frozen on his face and yet he did not know of it until someone saw it on his face... LOVE is not a thing to be measured by logic and reason. Not that reason is invalid, but becoz the lover is not in his senses while in LOVE. How can u explain the actions of a mad person? Sufism is not a phenomenon to explained by pure logic. However, it is also nothing external to Islam or higher than the teaching of Prophet [saw]. Propetic way of life is the kernal of Sufism. once Maualana Rumi was walking along a path with his follower(s). A group of children were playing in the neighborhood. When they saw the maulana, they came to him and greeted salam. once of them took some time to reach the poet. He waited patiently for the child to reach. When his follower asked him why a great poet like him had waited for a small child, he replied, 'Had this incident happened in front of Holy prophet [slm] , he too would have done the same. For Rumi, Quran was his source of inspiration. Thosw who are familiar with Masnavi will understand what I am trying to say. Insha Allah |
| 03/07/02 at 21:59:08 |
| jaihoon |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| se7en |
| 03/07/02 at 22:13:06 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah, Just today I started reading a book entitled 'Love Theory in Later Hanbalite Islam' by Joseph Norment Bell. It's an interesting read because it discusses not just the sufi conception of love, the motifs/terminology they use, etc but also the responses of some later Hanbali scholars to them - scholars like Ibn al-Jawziy, Ibn Taymeeya, and Ibn Qayyim. I was first of all amazed at the level of scholarly discourse we have in the Islamic tradition on love and sexual ethics. Beyond that, I've come to realize that the distinction made between sacred love and profane love - the terms we should use, the type of love we should have for each - is something scholars have addressed and written quite a bit about. From the book it seems that Ibn al-Jawziy's Talbis Iblis should have a lot on this. (Though I have read the translation, and I don't recall anything on this subject ???) Anyhow, read the book, it's good stuff. |
| The Slayer |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/07/02 at 23:38:04 |
| [slm] As far as I know there is no complete English translation of Ibn Jawzi's "Tablis Iblis" (The Devil's Deception) to my knowledge. There is a SUMMARY of the book put out by Dr. Bilal Phillips that is something like 64 pages, but the actual book itself is a few hundred pages and does discuss sufis and has some very powerful quotes from scholars of the past. I highly recommend that people buy the English translation of a Chapter on The Dispraise of Al-Hawaa (Desire) by Imaam ibnul Qayyim translated by Dr. Saleh As-Saleh, as this thoroughly discusses this topic. Its available here for about $11. http://store.yahoo.com/talkislam/b4486.html Texts within the Quran and/or Sunnah teach the medium course of this Deen in its acts of worship as well as in the codes for living this life in the way that pleases Allah (SWT). Ibn Taymiyah said "The beneficial and lawful Zuhd is the one which is beloved to Allah and to His Messenger (SAW), and it is the renunciation of that which is of no benefit in the Hereafter. However, renouncing what is beneficial for the Hereafter as well as the means that are helpful in this regard, is a kind of renunciation of Allah's worship and of His obediance. The true Zuhd is sought because it is a renunciation of what is harmful or things that have no benefit. The Zuhd regarding the beneficial matters is ignorance and deviation from the right path." (Majmoo' Al-Fataawaa, V.10 p.511) |
| 03/07/02 at 23:38:35 |
| bhaloo |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| jaihoon |
| 03/08/02 at 01:01:19 |
| [quote author=se7en link=board=bookstore;num=1015526763;start=0#7 date=03/07/02 at 22:13:06]as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah, Just today I started reading a book entitled 'Love Theory in Later Hanbalite Islam' by Joseph Norment Bell. It's an interesting read because it discusses not just the sufi conception of love, the motifs/terminology they use, etc but also the responses of some later Hanbali scholars to them - scholars like Ibn al-Jawziy, Ibn Taymeeya, and Ibn Qayyim.[/quote] Whil orientalists in the west have their own terminology, not every usage is approved by the Muslims at large. I dont get what the author means by 'Hanbali islam'? Is it just 'A' group in Islam or is it the Islam at large. As is known, Ibn al-Jawziy, Ibn Taymeeya, and Ibn Qayyim represents only a certain school of thought. Is 'Hambali scholars' different from the Asha'ari ones? ??? |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| Maliha |
| 03/08/02 at 08:22:16 |
| [slm] i personally don't have a problem with the analogies. First lets keep in mind this is a translation. The fluidity and aesthetic sensuality of the beautiful Persian language will be lost in the setting of a crude English one. Too bad we live in a society where such language brings up imagery of vulgarity when in reality it doesn't have to be. I don't take any poetry literally...His acceptance of the "insult" to me is simply a reiteration of his love for that connection, his willingness to go thru' what it takes to remain in touch with the Divine being. His love for Allah is poignantly laced in each of his poems...There hasn't been one scholar that has been unanimously accepted by all of humanity, nor human for that matter, I don't think a poet's expression and love are any exception, or immune to the challenges of biased scrutiny for that matter. Alhamdullillah for the fact that we are ultimately judged by the Best of Judges, and it's to Him the meaning of our innermost Reality remains manifest. Maliha :-) [wlm] |
| Re: The Awakening |
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| princess |
| 03/08/02 at 15:23:10 |
| as'salaamualikum ;D i don't see the "diss" and yes..hota to hai ::) but it's not something i let get to me :P fret not my dear friend ;) ain't no punga too big for my gunga 8) thanks for the input maliha and jaihoon :-X :-* |
| 03/08/02 at 15:25:20 |
| princess |
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