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| Differences amongst thasbeeh (prayer beads)? |
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| Ruqayyah |
| 03/23/02 at 13:47:56 |
| [slm] I have a question about the different kinds of thasbeeh (prayer beads). I have this really pretty wooden one mashallah from Saudi, but it has some extra beads on it. Like about 8 beads down from center on one side, there's a little offshoot of beads with abut 8 or 9 teeny beads on it. What is that for? Also on the other side of the big center bead, there's a string coming off about 8 beads down. Is there any significance to that? I ask because the other thasbeeh i had, only had the 2 dividing beads, dividing the whole thing into sections of 33 beads. Jazakallah for your help :) [wlm] Ruqayyah |
| Re: Differences amongst thasbeeh (prayer beads)? |
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| iimaan |
| 03/25/02 at 06:57:50 |
| Bismillahirahmanirrahiem [slm] :-), All I can say about the thasbeeh, that it's a bi'dah and the reason why it's a bi'dah is, because our beloved prophet Muhammad [saw] used his fingers, and he used his fingers on his righthand. But Allah knows best! And know that the Shaitaan loves a bi'dah more than a sin. Salaam, your :-). |
| 03/25/02 at 12:18:44 |
| iimaan |
| Re: Differences amongst thasbeeh (prayer beads)? |
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| Taalibatul_ilm |
| 03/25/02 at 07:32:25 |
| [slm] Just to put a balanced picture on the subject, sister iimaan, not all scholars say that using the tasbeeh is bid'ah. The following is from www.islam-qa.com, the same q&a states that some say it is bid'ah, but I am just giving the other side of the coin, so to speak. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa’ al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, ‘Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.’ Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid’ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, ‘Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!’ Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one’s fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.” |
| Re: Differences amongst thasbeeh (prayer beads)? |
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| se7en |
| 03/25/02 at 11:49:54 |
| y'all are answering a question the sister didn't ask :) |
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| iimaan |
| 03/25/02 at 12:18:00 |
| [quote author=se7en link=board=madrasa;num=1016909276;start=0#3 date=03/25/02 at 11:49:54]y'all are answering a question the sister didn't ask :) [/quote] Bismillahirahmanirrahiem [slm] :-), :D you're absolutely right, but I don't have an answer on her Q 'cause at the end of her thread I was all confused about all the xtra beads :o, so forgive me :-) Ruqayyah :D And ;-) Taalibatul_Ilm, thanx for the much better explanation you gave Salaam, :-*. |
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| Taalibatul_ilm |
| 03/25/02 at 13:25:40 |
| [slm] Jazaki Allahu khairan, sister se7en for putting us back on track. I asked my husband (I am a :-) sister iiman :) ) and he said the small string of beads is for keeping track of a higher number of tasaabeeh than the string has. For example, if you want to do 100 of "laa ilaaha illa Allahu wahdahu laa shareeka lah, lahu al-mulk wa lahu al-hamd wa huwa 'alaa kulli shay'in qadeer" and your string has only 33 beads on it, after doing one round, you can pull up one of the little beads on the side string, so you don't lose track of the first round, then do another round of 33, pull up another bead on the side string, finish the third making 99, then just do one to make 100. He said the little beads on the side stay up easily when you pull them and don't fall back. |
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| iimaan |
| 03/25/02 at 14:08:44 |
| [quote author=Taalibatul_ilm link=board=madrasa;num=1016909276;start=0#5 date=03/25/02 at 13:25:40] (I am a :-) sister iiman :) [/quote] Bismillahirahmanirrahiem [slm] :-) :D! Salaam, :-*. |
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| Kashif |
| 03/25/02 at 14:31:27 |
| [quote author=Taalibatul_ilm link=board=madrasa;num=1016909276;start=0#2 date=03/25/02 at 07:32:25] [slm] Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa’ al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles.... [/quote] Pardon me for sidetracking again, i read that one of the sahabah went to the masjid to specifically stop people from making tasbeeh using stones. Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
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| jannah |
| 03/25/02 at 14:46:46 |
| [slm] Ok I wasn't going to post but since the "B" word came up... I heard a scholar on this once and in his opinion it is ok to use the tasbeeh if you need to keep track of your dhikr but you shouldn't use them on a continuous basis after prayers in place of your fingers for the 33,33,33 stuff. |
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