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Question on calling another Muslim a Kafir
Anonymous
04/02/02 at 01:45:41
Assalammualaikum wrb.

There is a muslim bro who has been calling a muslim sis kafir, not
believing in Allah Subhanahu wataala, hereafter etc..nauzubillah.. I tried
to tell him we shouldn't label another muslim kafir cause only Allah
Subhanahu wataala knows the innerheart of people whether they repented,
made tawba etc. I asked the sis what caused him to call her kafir . She
told long time ago (before I knew her) she did terrible things like not
praying regularly, lying, chatting with men in chatrooms including with
those who used sexual words cause that was normal in chatrooms.

She met that bro from email and followed by chatroom. Until at one
time, they both went serious and bro thought of offering her marriage. She
was pleased but did not give up on chatting yet only she left chatters
with sexual words. The bro left her when he knew the sis was chatting
with a kafir man. He said she was fu**ing a kafir and that made her a
kafir too.

As far as I know her, she has changed compared to what she was as told.
She prays daily, she stopped chatting completely and she try to do
things which pleases Allah Subhanahu wataala. She changed bit by bit after
the bro left after she had to pay a big price for her old habits -
which was losing the bro who loved and wished to marry her. She was also
thinking bout leaving her habits and marry the bro then. She said the bro
was furious and called her kafir for reasons - his love was stabbed by
her, for that his emotion suffered greatly and she was fu**ing
(chatting with kafir who used sexual words in chats) kafir.

When I asked the bro, who gave him the right to label her as kafir,
this is what he told me. "I have every right for what she did to my love".
Go check this hadith from the Prophet .."If one calls another a kafir,
one must go to hell. I am calling her kafir, so one of us (her) is
destined to hell"

Is there really such hadith or if there is could it be, the bro
misunderstood the meaning of hadith?

I adviced the sis to ignore his remark and continue her attempt to
become a devoted follower to Allah Subhanahu wataala. Is there a better
advice I should give her?

Thank You.

Re: Question on calling another Muslim a Kafir
bhaloo
04/02/02 at 02:07:36
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It is prohibited for a person to say "such and such" is for Jannah or for Jahannam or that he is a kaafir.


The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "There were two men who were living as brothers; one of them was sinful, while the other stove very much to perform his devotion to Allah. The striver (after good) would continuously see the other in sin, and so he would continuously advise him to leave it. The sinner retorted: 'Leave me, by my Lord- are you sent as a watcher over me?' worshipper said: 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you, or (he said) Allah will not make you enter Jannah. After their souls were taken, they were brought together before Allah, so He said to the striver: 'Did you have knowledge of Me, or are you able to do what is in My Hand?' Allah said to the sinner 'Go to Jannah by my Mercy and said to the other "Take him to the fire (of Jahannam)'. "


(Abu Dawood and Ahmad)


If a person calls a Muslim 'O Kaafir (unbeliever)', then kufr will befall one of them. If what he said was true, then it is as he related. However, if it is not true, then the kufr would be his lot.   (Hadeeth -Bukhari and Muslim)  

Re: Question on calling another Muslim a Kafir
Abu_Hamza
04/02/02 at 13:19:09
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Subhan Allah!  People do things when angry that they wouldn't even imagine doing in a normal state.  The reason why the brother is reacting this way, which is wrong of course as bhaloo's post has alredy shown, is because of his anger.  The whole incident probably hurt him tremendously, and this is why he's so angry.  What happens often also is a person is so heart-broken that anger overtakes the grief that the person feels in their heart.  And to avoid feeling that pain of grief, he maintains that anger in his/her heart, because it is less painful to the person him/herself, but more painful to those around him/her.

If you or someone else can sit down and abate his anger, remind him that whatever happened, happened with the Will of Allah (swt).  Remind him of the many instances of the sahaabah where they changed a 180 degrees from being enemies of Islam to being the carriers of the banner of Islam almost overnight.  And show him how a similar change can occur in any person.  If he is disappointed at the whole incident, at his marriage being broken off, then you should remind him of the Qadr of Allah.  That Allah knows and we don't know.  That something may befall us that we hate, but it may be better for us.  And vice versa.

You cannot reason with an angry person.  That's not gonna get anywhere.  Perhaps what you need to do first is to break this fortress of anger that he has built around his wounded heart.  Once that shell is broken, he will probably be grief-stricken.  He'll then go into a state of grief and sorrow.  That is when you help the guy.  Help him with words of kindness, instill patience into his heart.  And *then* reason with him about all that I said above about the Hikmah of Allah (swt) and His Qadr.

It's a long process.  Mending the hearts of people is not an easy task.  I ask Allah (swt) to help you and both the brother and the sister, and I ask Him (awj) to protect us from the tricks of Shaytaan.

Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.
04/02/02 at 13:21:12
Abu_Hamza
Re: Question on calling another Muslim a Kafir
se7en
04/02/02 at 13:45:00
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah,

You know, the sister could have been engaging in a *physical relationship* with a non-Muslim man outside of marriage and this brother would *still* not have the right to call her kafir.  

I think the hadeeth the bro mentioned (and misinterpreted) is one in Abu Dawud, related by Ibn Umar:
[color=black]If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.[/color]

This does *not* mean that, "if I call her a kafir, I'm cursing her to hell".  It means that if you accuse someone of kufr, you better be *darn sure* they are guilty of it.. otherwise *you*, the accuser, is guilty of kufr.  I think the hadeeth brother Arshad mentioned shows this quite clearly.

Another hadith in Tabarani, reported by Ibn Umar:
[color=black]Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `there is no god but Allah' - do not call them kafir.  Whoever calls a reciter of `there is no god but Allah' a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself. [/color]

And one related by Tirmidhi:
[color=black]Whoever attributes kufr to a believer, he is like his murderer.[/color]

If he, in his anger, feels the need to call her something, there are *many* other words he can use, the consequences of which would not be as severe as using the word kafir.

wAllahu a'lam.
04/03/02 at 00:54:59
se7en
Re: Question on calling another Muslim a Kafir
nouha
04/02/02 at 17:04:15
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subhanalah, he shouldnt have said that to her,

people should not judge others by what they do, wear etc, just becuse u pray doesnt mean that your prayer is being accepted.... only Allah(SWT) can determine this,

ive seen non hijabis that pray and hijabis that dont, to call someone a kaffir because of what they did is not right, these ppl cannot tell what they are thinking internally, once again only Allah(SWT) can judge that and that is WHY we cannot call muslims kafirs becuase we are not All- Knowing

[wlm]
nouha:)


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