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| Barraa |
| 04/02/02 at 15:13:16 |
| ok....every night i put a bun at the top of my head....and in an authentic hadith it says, "DO NOT PUT ANYTHING AT THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD CAUSE THEN YOU LOOK LIKE A CAMEL..." but i don't let know one see it...and i put it in my hair to help it moisturize...i do not put it in for style, do i still get sins??? i always thought of that, and i remembered 2 ask now... |
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| Muslimah17 |
| 04/02/02 at 16:00:24 |
| assalam-o-alikoum yeah i always tie my hair in a bun at home and underneath my hijab because that is the only hairstyle which prevents my hair from sliding down (pony tails don't work). so i wanna know the answer to this question as well... |
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| nouha |
| 04/02/02 at 17:11:01 |
| [slm] i was wondering baraa if u can provide for me this hadith becuase i have never heard of such a thing [wlm] nouha:) |
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| Barraa |
| 04/05/02 at 10:48:00 |
| are you refusing to believe a witness? i am 100% sure that the inforamation i had given you is authentic and right. so if you don't belive me try this experiement....do it all the time, then see on the day of judgement what the answer to your actions were...anyways even if it wasn't correct unbelievers do that so if we do it we are TASHBUH BIL KUFAR. we are looking like the disbelievers... please take this message with ease because i mean nothing to hurt no one...ok? so now i hope you the best wishes...sister believe me ok? ask...ask...ask...ask....ask....ask....ask....ask....ask....ask....ask....ask....ask... |
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| jannah |
| 04/05/02 at 14:49:55 |
| [slm] baraa no one is "disbelieving" you, sis :) ... they just want the exact text of the hadith so they can ask their imam about it. you may interpret it to be about "putting up your hair in a bun" but others may not, but they need the text and it's really their right.... if you've never heard of a hadith and someone said i heard "so and so", it's your right and even duty to ask all about it, because 1. you'll be responsible for it 2. you do not want to spread something that could be inauthentic OR even worse, people interpret it wrongly based upon how you related it to them. [quote]so if you don't belive me try this experiement....do it all the time, then see on the day of judgement what the answer to your actions were..[/quote] i know you're kind of young, but that is truly a harsh and cruel thing to say, do you really want your sisters to be punished for something? would you want your sister to tell you "go ahead and do a haram and we'll see when you end up in the hellfire etc". that's not what islam is. we do not even want ONE single person to be in the hellfire, not ONE, we wish for everyone to do what's good and what's right and enter jannah. jannah is not exclusive and there is more than enough room for everyone. [quote]do that so if we do it we are TASHBUH BIL KUFAR. we are looking like the disbelievers... [/quote] umm we drive cars (copying the kaffirs), we have computers (copying the kaffirs), we have guns to protect ourselves (copying the kaffirs), etc etc... copying the kaffirs is not enough of a legal axiom for us to declare something HARAM. |
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| mujaahid |
| 04/05/02 at 15:25:05 |
| [slm] Calm down Baraa, no need to go crazy!! Here, have a [] |
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| Barraa |
| 04/05/02 at 16:24:26 |
| mujahid that won';t help and sister jannah: umm we drive cars (copying the kaffirs), we have computers (copying the kaffirs), we have guns to protect ourselves (copying the kaffirs), etc etc... copying the kaffirs is not enough of a legal axiom for us to declare something HARAM. i said it is tushabah BIL kuffar...ok so i see this girl wearing a leather short skirt i go wear like her, isn't that tashabauh??? and when you see a haram hair do and some on doing it you go copy isn't that haram and tashabuh??? jannah, i am on track no need for shouts, so i could explain that putting your hair UP on top of your head is haram...don't delete this message or this post too. i only asked a question when nouha jumped on it...(not in a bad way girls)...and to go out of the subject alittle i thought that the males don't go in the female cafe??? mujahid, i said girls only....all the posts i make please make that for girls to see because i wouldn't like to be told on MEN...back to the subject, NOUHA i forgot where put the paper with the hadith in it...but give me your email and i'll send it to you when i find it...and mujahid here's your coke back i don't need it, [] but it tasted ok...don't worry i never drank any... salam now |
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| NewMoon |
| 04/05/02 at 16:41:11 |
| [slm] Is this the hadith you're looking for? Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen: a people with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they beat the people, and women who are clothed but naked, walking with an enticing gait and with their heads looking like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will not enter Paradise and will not even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such and such a distance.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2128). [wlm] |
| NS |
| 04/05/02 at 16:43:01 |
| NewMoon |
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| Barraa |
| 04/05/02 at 16:43:37 |
| Newmoon, I think thats it...But anyways I asked a scholar about that hadith and he told me the meaning that women aren't allowed to put something on their head... not a ponytail, a bun at the top of your head... :) thank you SSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much newmoon...or |
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| jannah |
| 04/05/02 at 16:46:00 |
| Which scholar?? |
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| Leslie |
| 04/05/02 at 19:10:23 |
| [slm] Yes, please Barraa, tell us which scholar has said this. Personally, I wonder how this can be true, for several reasons, including the fact that the particular hadith quoted above does not seem to mention anything about copying unbelievers. It mentions the women who "are clothed but naked," and the punishment that awaits them. The hadith also says that these women walk enticingly "with their heads looking like the humps of camels, leaning to one side." To me this appears to be the type of action that a woman may make when flirting with a man. Consequently, it doesn't seem to me that this hadith is referring to hairstyle, but to the modesty required of a woman's clothing and her actions. After all, we can probably agree that it is better for a woman to tie her hair up in a bun so that it fits under her hijab, than to let it flow down her back. I want to stress that this is my rather uneducated interpretation of the hadith, for I am not a scholar and I do not know for certain in what context the prophet [saw] made these remarks, although I could venture a guess (my guess would be after the isra', but I'll have to check my copy of ibn Hisham to verify that). For this and many other reasons any mistakes in this interpretation are entirely my own. Barraa, if you could please explain in what way you interpret this hadith, or in what way the unnamed scholar you mention interpreted it, it would help us to understand your position. Please refer directly to the text quoted by NewMoon. Please forgive me if I've misunderstood anything. Jazak allah [wlm] Leslie |
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| Leslie |
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| Barraa |
| 04/06/02 at 01:21:07 |
| ok i am not telling you the scholars name...please believe me because this scholar is true. anyways its a relative to me and i'm really absolutely not allowed to tell. even if i was i won't because its too private....and the scholar is well know and is widespread for his knowledge...he never died...thats all i am telling you and you won't find him on the net... so salam now |
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| M.F. |
| 04/06/02 at 07:51:27 |
| Assalamu alaikum, Here's another narration/translation of the hadeeth. It's also from Muslim:Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Two are the types amongst the denizens of Hell, the one possessing whips like the tail of an ox and they flog people with their help. (The second one) the women who would be naked in spite of their being dressed, who are seduced (to wrong paths) and seduce others with their hair high like humps. These women would not get into Paradise and they would not perceive the odour of Paradise, although its fragrance can be perceived from such and such distance (from great distance). I would translate the Arabic to: " their heads are like camels' humps"... To me this refers to certain hairstyles where the hair is piled on top of the head or made really high (like the style used to be a few years ago, to make a big puff of hair on top of the head). Anyway, the issue is about women who wear their hair in a certain way to seduce men. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with wearing your hair in a bun under hijab cause you're wearing hijab! |
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| talib_ilm |
| 04/06/02 at 11:50:12 |
| Assalam Alaikum Waramatullah, I think we should understand the hadeeth the way the salaf understood it. This way we avoid any misunderstanding of Rasullah(saw). Having said that, if anyone has Fath Al-Bari of Ibn Hajar Asqalani (rm) let him/her read the sharh(explanation) of the hadeeth and tell us. Ma Salam |
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| Barraa |
| 04/06/02 at 12:44:58 |
| ok...now who's right??? me or the ones who were against these words or the ones who wanted the reference....ilm_talib should tell me because i didn't understand what salaf said or who he IS. well could you muslim brothers and sisters please answer my question? i really need the answer on monday... |
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| Lovin_Niqaab |
| 04/07/02 at 19:57:12 |
| ::) Baraa: I think I should talk to you. Your not making much sense, and right now everyone is alhamdulillah, tolerating you. Soon no one is going to be this tolerable if you keep this up. As muslims we have the right to now the authenticity of a hadith, and it's tafseer. If you want to keep this scholars name private, them that's okay for personall reasons. I'll talk to you next time we meet inshallah... You know who I am..... Leslie: I'm afraid your wrong sister. The hadith refers to the style women do where the hair is held up on the very top of your head and looks like the hump of a camel. These kinds of hair does are haraam to do and wear....I'll try to find the article for you inshallah, explaining it... |
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| Kathy |
| 04/07/02 at 20:46:28 |
| [slm] [quote]are you refusing to believe a witness? [/quote] What does this statement mean? Are you the witness? Who is? [quote]i am 100% sure that the inforamation i had given you is authentic and right. [/quote] Sis be careful with these kind of statements- no one is right all the time. [quote]copying the kaffirs is not enough of a legal axiom for us to declare something HARAM. [/quote] Are you a scholor- or repeating words you heard? [quote]all the posts i make please make that for girls to see because i wouldn't like to be told on MEN.[/quote] Why? Are not many men very knowledgable? [quote] and i'm really absolutely not allowed to tell. even if i was i won't because its too private....and the scholar is well know and is widespread for his knowledge...[/quote] If he is a scholor- I would think he would not mind standing by his name when he makes a statement and be held accountable for it. [quote]well could you muslim brothers and sisters please answer my question? [/quote] I thought your scholor did answer it. |
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| Barraa |
| 04/07/02 at 22:43:55 |
| hu? why do u guyz have 2 cut out now??? come on tell me |
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| Anonymous |
| 04/08/02 at 00:35:01 |
| i have no training to interpret this, nor have i asked anyone of knowledge, but i see nothing in it that has to do with anything a woman or girl chooses to do with her hair at home in private. it has to do with causing oneself, or one's hair, to be noticed when out in public. the question of hairstyle under hijab would then only be the same: does it draw anyone's attention? Under this apportionment women were given the role of making their own homes the centers of their attention rather than going about exhibiting their physical charms and worldly possessions. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said that the following type of women constitute one of the categories of the dwellers of Hell: "Those women who seem naked even when dressed and those who walk flirtingly and THOSE WHO PLAIT THEIR HEADS LIKE THE HUMPS OF CAMELS, THUS INVITING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, will not enter Paradise nor will they smell its fragrance even though its fragrance can be smelt from a very long distance." (Muslim). Islam, however, does not prohibit beautification (zinat) on the part of women as long as it is not done in a way that injuriously interferes with the limbs or the body. In ancient times there were many kinds of defacement practiced on the bodies of men and animals, partly on account of superstition or pagan custom and partly on account of the craze for fashion and display. Examples of this were tattooing, sharpening or spacing the teeth, shaving or plucking the hair, wearing hair pieces, etc. Many of these practices still survive and are, in fact, getting more and more refined. Since all these practices change or seriously interfere with the natural creation of Allah, the Prophet (peace be upon him) cursed those who indulged in them for the purpose of mere beautification. One report says, "The Messenger of Allah cursed women who tattooed, and those who got themselves tattooed, those who engaged in sharpening the teeth (as a mark of beauty) and those who had their teeth sharpened." (Bukhari and Muslim) The Messenger of Allah cursed women who had spaces made between their teeth in order to increase their beauty, thus changing the creation of Allah. A third report says, "The Messenger of Allah cursed the women who plucked hair and those who were employed to pluck the eyebrows." (Abu Dawud) This method of beautification would include the modern practice of shaving the eyebrows and then painting on new ones, or shaving certain hair and leaving the eyebrows to look like two inverted crescents. However, if a woman has some obtrusive hairs on her face which are a problem and embarrassment for her, she may remove them. When 'A'ishah was approached by the young wife of Abu Is'haq who wished to remove her facial hairs in order to look beautiful for her husband, she advised her to do so. (Reported by atTabarani) On this basis some Hanafi jurists are of the opinion that there is no harm in removing the hairs from a woman's face and applying cosmetics if it is done with the permission of the husband, in order to please him and with a good intention. But Imam alNawawi opposes even removing the hairs on a woman's face because he considers the practice similar to plucking hair. A fourth report says: ''A'ishah reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed women who wore hair pieces and the women who aided in this practice." (Bukhari) This method of beautification would include the modern practice of wearing wigs. It consists of using a plait of one woman's hair or artificial hair and joining it to another woman's hair with the object of making the woman's hair appear very long and beautiful. Mu'awiyah, while holding a plait of such hair in his hands during his address to the Muslims, castigated the 'ulama: "Where are your learned men gone? (meaning why did they not stop women from using such hair) I heard the Messenger of Allah stop them from using this." He also said, "Undoubtedly the Israelites destroyed themselves when their women adopted such things." (Bukhari) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/womeninsociety.html#adornment ns = |
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