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ltcorpest2
04/12/02 at 01:45:13
Islamic Forces Surround 50,000 Indonesian Christians

More than 50,000 Christians are in "grave jeopardy" as they are
surrounded by Islamic jihad terrorists on Indonesia's Central Sulawesi
province according to Christian Aid.

"Since Saturday night (local time), the Poso district of Central
Sulawesi has been under attack," said Christian Aid's contact in the
area. "The situation is very critical. Unless there is a miracle, many
lives will be lost."

The contact said people are crying out for help. "They are desperate for
food, medicine and protection," he says. "They are completely surrounded
and request our prayer support. If the jihad terrorists break through
local defenses there will be great massacres." The jihad forces are
reportedly well organized and well equipped-sometimes better equipped
than the army, he says.

Additional reports shared by Jubilee Campaign said that jihad terrorists
attacked Pantangolemba village, near Poso, at 2 a.m. on Saturday. They
burned 68 houses and looted 1.5 tons of rice that had been gathered by
the churches in Palu to feed the 7500 refugees there. Later that day
they attacked Rononuncu village.

Sources in Indonesia said the jihad army was well equipped with AK-47s
and other military-grade weapons-in places better armed than the local
police and army units-while the Christians had only hunting rifles,
spears and machetes.

Christian Aid's contact said he had just talked with Christian leaders
in Tentena, a city in central Sulawesi, and they are crying out for
help. "They are desperate for food, medicine and protection. They are
completely surrounded and request our prayer support. If the jihad
terrorists break through [local defenses] there will be great massacres.
We must pray that the hand of the Lord will stop these disciples of bin
Laden from doing their evil deeds."

Please bring this to the attention of as many intercessors as possible.
Call your friends, prayer groups and churches and ask them to pray, as
these Christians are in imminent danger.

Some suggested prayer objectives:

That Indonesia's president, Megawati Sukarnoputri,
will have wisdom, courage, and backing to be able
to stop the jihad movement. So far strong militant
Islamic elements have hindered the government's full
response to this entire jihad crisis.
That God will send a spirit of confusion among the
jihad movement and that it will self-destruct.
That Christians in peril will stand steadfast
in their faith.
That God will intervene.
That equal justice will be administered to all
persons. (One report says that Christians
typically are given a 3-year sentence for
possessing a machete, but a Muslim gets only
a 7-month sentence for automatic gun possession.)

Christian Aid (along with International Christian Concern and others) is
still receiving contributions to rescue and relocate Christians trapped
by jihad terrorists as the Lord makes it possible to do so. So far 2791
Christians have been rescued from the fate of jihad terrorists. They
extend their profound gratitude to those whose prayers, gifts and
efforts made their rescue and relocation to a safe place possible. The
effort to feed and house them continues.


Re: who will protest for these people?
mujaahid
04/12/02 at 02:44:32
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Why were the Muslim fighters called terrorists?

They are fighters, not terrorists. If you wanna call them terrorists, do so, but the fact is they are only being reffered to terrorists because they are muslims. If it was jews, nationlists or anything else, they would simply be called fighters.

As for the situation, well now you know how the muslims feel Mike.
Re: who will protest for these people?
jannah
04/12/02 at 02:57:24
Umm when was this news dated? I'd like to verify it and do you have a source other than a christian missionary site?

and to answer your question everyone,  should protest for any people who's right to practice their religion, their right to live as human beings with honor and dignity is taken away from them---this is their God given right.. mentioned in the Quran and other holy books. It's unfortunate that some humans take it upon themselves to do the opposite.
Re: who will protest for these people?
bhaloo
04/12/02 at 03:26:20
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It looks like the information was taken from one of those christian extremist propaganda sites that love to make up information.  I have seen pictures of what the christians there have done to muslims in the last 2 to 3 years, burning them and mutilating their bodies.  Does anyone remember the website?  
Re: who will protest for these people?
Kashif
04/12/02 at 06:20:26
assalaamu alaikum

The gall of Christian missionaries to post things like this is quite astounding. Has there been any group of people whose activities have been more devastating to humanity than the person in the mindset of a Christian missionary? Think Africa, think the native American population, think Australia, and the list goes on...

Last year i attended a presentation at the School of Oriental and Africa Studies, London, by MER-C, an independent team of Doctors who travel to Indonesia and the surrounding islands to treat the victims of the violence there regardless of religious background. They showed pictures of the horrendous aftermath of a Christian attack on a Muslim village, describing walking into a building finding it stacked knee deep with dead bodies. They described finding the body of a baby who had been held up in one hand and had his knee hacked off using a sword-like weapon with the other.

The dishonesty of these missionaries is one of the reasons why people are flying from Christanity in droves, and thus, have to resort to cheap tricks like the above article.

Kashif
Wa Salaam
NS
04/12/02 at 06:24:51
Kashif
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/12/02 at 10:05:18
 maybe we should call them pigs or human scumbags instead of terrorists.  
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/12/02 at 10:07:53
why is it Christian extremists propaganda sites?  Azzam is quoted here often,  why isnt that considered a Muslim extremist propoganda site?
Re: who will protest for these people?
jannah
04/12/02 at 12:31:20
If you've noticed we've stopped allowing azzaam not because it is as you termed it, but because we need a break from people copy pasting entire websites.
protesteth too much
se7en
04/12/02 at 13:10:00
[quote]maybe we should call them pigs or human scumbags instead of terrorists. [/quote]

Maybe you should substantiate your claims before getting quick with the wit?

Just a suggestion.

[quote]why is it Christian extremists propaganda sites?  Azzam is quoted here often,  why isnt that considered a Muslim extremist propoganda site? [/quote]

The purpose of Azzam is not the same as the Christian missionary site you took this article from.  I've never come across *any* Muslim site that intentionally distorts the teachings of another religion in attempts to take it apart and dissuade people from converting.

The site you took this article from does have that intention, and has in the past literally *made up stuff* about Islam and Muslims in order to give them a bad image.  If you read any of the other articles on their site this is something that should be evident to you.

And, if you dislike Azzam and dismiss their publications because they seem to be slanted in their views, I don't understand why you would promote the publications of another website that does just the same thing, but in an intensely more hateful and caustic manner?

You need to check yourself.  Read objective, unbias reporting and truth will stand clear from error.

peace
04/12/02 at 13:31:55
se7en
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/12/02 at 18:41:45
1st of all,  i do not nor do most people call muslims terrorists,  muslims or those who claim to be that bomb people who are not fighting back would be,  for an example,  the guy who bombed the USS cole i would not consider a terrorist,  but  atta and the people who bombed the world trade center would be (athough obl thinks that anyone wroking in the US is aa legal target),  or the suicide murderer who blew up the hotel when people were sittting down for their (sater  not sure how that is spelled) i would consider a terrrorist, but if they were attacking the israeli army i would consider them soldiers or freedom fighters or however they wished to be called.

Unbiased?  who on this earth is unbiased?  and where would that reporting come from,  i think it is the wise person that can see through the biasis and think for themselves.  Most people on this site, from what i can tell, do not believe it was muslims that ran planes into the wtc or even a plane existing at all that went into the pentagon,  maybe they are reading biased publications?  or how would they be so wrong?

Kashif   have you met any christian missionaries and know their mindset?  That sure is a predjudicial mindset that you have.  Not that I know all people who are missionaries, but the ones that i have know have given up personal wealth and safety to do what they would consider to be God's work.  When myself and my friends  go to mexico to build houses for people or bring food and clothing down,  i would would think that our mindset is pretty good,  but to you think we have some evil intent?  The missionaries that worked for shelter now in Afghanistan went there despite harsh conditions to help with peoples housing and other needs, yet they were thrown in jail and threatened with the death penalty for sharing their faith.  Some people do the opposite Jannah, such as the tal-------n.  
   Speaking of making up stuff,  that goes on many articles posted on here,  like the 4,000 jews not showing up for work on sept 11,  that has been mentioned over and over again on here without one shred of proof.  Why is that not challenged?  it would not be difficult to find out who these Jewish people are,  but the charge is thrown out and muslims here believe it  (not all but look at the last post and you can see that many do).  Hateful and casutic?  Azzam website on the front page with a cross across afghanistan is designed to cause hatred,  or am i missing something?
Re: who will protest for these people?
bhaloo
04/12/02 at 19:44:58
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[quote author=ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1018590313;start=0#9 date=04/12/02 at 18:41:45]  but  atta and the people who bombed the world trade center would be (athough obl thinks that anyone wroking in the US is aa legal target),  or the suicide murderer who blew up the hotel when people were sittting down for their (sater  not sure how that is spelled) i would consider a terrrorist, but if they were attacking the israeli army i would consider them soldiers or freedom fighters or however they wished to be called.
[/quote]

I haven't seen any proof from anyone showing that it was Muslims that attacked the WTC.  I have seen stories floating around about Israelis carrying out the operation, but I haven't seen any concret proof.

[quote]
Unbiased?  who on this earth is unbiased?  and where would that reporting come from,  i think it is the wise person that can see through the biasis and think for themselves.  Most people on this site, from what i can tell, do not believe it was muslims that ran planes into the wtc or even a plane existing at all that went into the pentagon,  maybe they are reading biased publications?  or how would they be so wrong?
[/quote]

Most people on here have seen the lies and propaganda spread by the western media, specifically the U.S. based news agencies.  The British ones and the rest of the world seems to be a better.

[quote]
Kashif   have you met any christian missionaries and know their mindset?  That sure is a predjudicial mindset that you have.  Not that I
[/quote]

I know their mindset very well, I'm sure Kahsif does as well.  I have dealt with these people before on numerous occasions and know the deceptive techniques they use.  I have responded to many of their major websites and had exchanges with them.  There have been priests that have converted from Christianity to Islam that have disclosed the kinds of lies and propaganda that the Christian missionaries use.  

One of the popular techniques they do in Africa is to take food and put it in bowls with the word christianity on it, and then they put spoiled and wrotten food in other bowls and write Muslim on it.  This is one of the techniques they use, along with their propaganda.  

In the dialogues I have had with them, they are very skilled in what to say.  In the exchanges I have had with them and other christian priests, if I give too much evidence and go on too much of the offensive (i.e. exposing the major problems with Christianity) they leave me alone and wish me well.  They don't even try to defend or respond.  They know they are wasting their time with me.  I have seen all the arguments they have put forth.  They just try and prey on the weak Muslims that don't know a thing.

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mindset is pretty good,  but to you think we have some evil intent?  The missionaries that worked for shelter now in Afghanistan went there despite harsh conditions to help with peoples housing and other needs, yet they were thrown in jail and threatened with the death penalty for sharing their faith.  
[/quote]

Do you see any problem with that?  They agreed not to spread Christianity when they went to a Muslim country.  They OBVIOUSLY LIED as proof was discovered that they tried to convert people.  So why shouldn't they be subjected to the punishment?    I have been on their maillists and they are aware they face death yet they tell people to preach secretly.
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/12/02 at 22:14:53
thank you bahloo for proving my point.  death, wow what a great thing sharia is. we can all hope that all countries can have laws where if you share with someone what your faith is you face a death sentence.  sounds like a great thing
Re: who will protest for these people?
bhaloo
04/12/02 at 23:25:54
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You think spreading lies and falsehood are acceptable? ???   Why should falsehood be tolerated at all?  Also, Christian and Jews are free to practice their religion in Muslim lands, provided they pay the jizya tax.

Mike, I invite you to discover the truth and see for yourself here:
http://www.plaintruth.org

Follow the flowcharts and let us know where you arrive.



Re: who will protest for these people?
jannah
04/13/02 at 01:03:36
[quote]that goes on many articles posted on here,  like the 4,000 jews not showing up for work on sept 11,  that has been mentioned over and over again on here without one shred of proof.[/quote]

ummm it may have been mentioned but very early someone checked it out and found out it was false and posted it. i haven't heard mention of it since.. unless it was while i wasn't here.

the point is when something is brought.. islamic, nonislamic news or otherwise, all of us should look into it and try to verify it for everyone  and when there is a GREY AREA ie who bombed the WTC it's going to have to stay a grey area...people are going to have DIFFERENT viewpoints...so let's leave it at that...
speaking of making up stuff..
se7en
04/13/02 at 02:17:48

[quote] Unbiased?  who on this earth is unbiased?  and where would that reporting come from,  i think it is the wise person that can see through the
biasis and think for themselves. [/quote]

I think there are news sources that *attempt* to be unbias with their
reporting, and there are those that do not.  The site that you took this article from does not even claim to be a news source, but simply is a website that houses certain information.  Again, with a cursory glance at the articles and material on this site it's anti-Islamic sentiment should become obvious to you.

This argument is like saying that a good way to find out the truth about African Americans is through KKK and white-supremacist sites, as opposed to sources that have at least a *semblance* of being non-racist and objective.  Does that make sense to you?  Do you think you'll receive an accurate or even close to accurate picture about what African Americans are really about from those sort of sites?  How is doing so to assess African Americans any different than going to an anti-Islamic missionary site and trying to "see through the biases" to decipher the truth about Islam from what they have to say?

[quote] Most people on this site, from what i can tell, do not believe it was muslims that ran planes into the wtc or even a plane existing at all that went into the pentagon,  maybe they are reading biased publications?  or how would they be so wrong? [/quote]

Perhaps.  Or maybe they are reading other than the mainstream media here in the United States.  This is an issue we've gotten into before, so I don't want to re-hash it.  You can check out the older thread on this [url=http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=ummah;action=display;num=1017828948]here[/url].

[quote] That sure is a predjudicial mindset that you have.  Not that I know all people who are missionaries, but the ones that i have know have given up personal wealth and safety to do what they would consider to be God's work.  [/quote]

You need to learn your history man.  The spreading of the "word of God" has been used for centuries to enslave, exploit and oppress countless people from the indigenous Americans to the Africans to everybody in between.   To say that such people did not have evil intent when they went into these countries and ravaged these people is naive to say the least.

I do not know *your* intentions, nor do I claim to understand them, but I personally really dislike the idea of trading belief for basic food and shelter.  One of the beautiful features of Islam that I like very much is that we have no tradition of structured proselytism.  Charity is given for the sake of charity and not as a purchase of faith.

[quote]Speaking of making up stuff,  that goes on many articles posted on here,  like the 4,000 jews not showing up for work on sept 11,  that has been mentioned over and over again on here without one shred of proof.  Why is that not challenged?  it would not be difficult to find out who these Jewish people are,  but the charge is thrown out and muslims here believe it  (not all but look at the last post and you can see that many do).  [/quote]

You should look back to some of the threads closer to September 11th.  As Jannah said, these conspiracy theories were discussed quite a bit.  Mujaahid and I got into quite a few interesting discussions :)

And if there *are* Muslims who believe that.. so what?  What does that have to do with anything?  If there's a traffic jam in Cairo some Muslims believe it's part of a Zionist conspiracy :P

[quote]Hateful and casutic?  Azzam website on the front page with a cross across afghanistan is designed to cause hatred,  or am i missing something? [/quote]

I'm not sure what image you're speaking of, but I don't think the one you mentioned is inappropriate, considering that missionaries view Afghanistan as a "fertile field" upon which to "introduce Muslims to the world of God's son".  [there sure *are* some interesting articles on those missionary sites.]

And again, my point was not to argue with you about the validity or invalidity of Azzam.  My question was.. if you are so against such 'bias' websites, if you dismiss them and the claims they make, how can you expect me to do anything but the same when you post such stuff?
04/13/02 at 02:55:35
se7en
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/13/02 at 02:32:26
grey area?  c'mon.  that is like saying that Israel running through rammallah is a grey area.  Muslims can call it grey because they want to hide from the truth. I agree , they may not be muslims, but they were mostly from saudi arabia, all arab descent, and 15 of the 19 were on an international watch list for money laundering through the Al qaeda network, which unfortunatly the united states did bother to get the data base, or at least the right agencies.  Zacarias moussoui, who is in custody for being invloved (and his family says is a radical muslim, although they are opposed to the death penalty).  If muslims want to deny the very basic facts, i think it will have repurcussions for years to come,  God help this world.  I think I had said it long ago when I 1st came on here,  but i came to this site to learn about how muslims think, and unfortunatly i am learning that muslims vs. the west or at least americans are so far apart, that they do not see the same reality.
Re: who will protest for these people?
jannah
04/13/02 at 02:53:48
Israel's behavior is not a "grey area". It is documented by well known sources, independent AND mainstream media. Not to mention CONDEMNED by the United Nations other International Coalitions AND many Human Rights organizations including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

This is not about America versus Islam.  I am Muslim, I am American. I have a right to protest what goes on in the world with the SUPPORT and MONEY of US. TAX DOLLARS which I PAY.

As for your comments "they may not be muslims, but they were mostly from saudi arabia, all arab descent, and 15 of the 19 were on an international watch list for money laundering through the Al qaeda network".  Umm who cares?  There are evil people in the world of every race AND they do CLAIM every religion of the world too.

The point is we have to SEPARATE what Islam the RELIGION says and is about from what the FREAKS of the world do/say.

The grey area I am talking about is when it comes to people's opinions.  Everyone has a right to their opinion.  Even those who believe that WTC WAS a conspiracy of the Jews, a conspiracy of the US Government, a conspiracy of aliens from Zircon.  If you don't want to believe it, hey that's up to you.  

If you ask me Muslims believe in even stranger things than that. They believe that revelation came down from heaven to a human being. Wow how about that. Why don't we talk about the evidence for that?



Re: who will protest for these people?
mujaahid
04/13/02 at 03:08:46
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Mike they are not pigs, or scumbags, they are fighters. You and most westerners have been brainwashed, yes i said BRAINWASHED, into thinking that any muslim who takes up arms to defend himself is a terrorist, that any muslim who fights back agianst occupation or invasion is a terrorist, that any muslim who refuses to submit to what the west demands is a terrorist, while the Israeli's who have recently killed over 500 people in days are never referred to terroristrs, and the US military who over the last 50 years have killed MILLIONS are NEVER referred to as terrorists yet they terrorise more people then everyone else put together!!!

Wake up Mike, and ALL Americans, stop being brainswashed . Start thinking for yourself and stop spouting what you hear on CNN, and Fox news.

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NS
04/13/02 at 04:56:26
Kashif
Re: who will protest for these people?
Sparrow
04/13/02 at 09:18:05
There's the *brainwashed* word again.  Shocking isn't it, how only the Western news media has the ability to brainwash people?  Of course, everyone knows the Muslim/Arabic/Middle Eastern news outlets report only the gospel truth, and never try to put a spin on anything for the benefit of their own political cause.   Why is it that the people who accuse others of being "brainwashed" always assume that they themselves are immune from the brainwashing?  Muj, have you ever stopped and considered that the,um, fiery rhetoric you provide on this board often makes *you* seem like the brainwashed one?   Why should I believe your new sources anymore than I believe CNN?  

Certain people on this board need to take their own blinders off.  There are no good guys and bad guys in this scenario anymore, just different groups of people with their own agendas and endgames.  Now I'm going to shout: DEFENDING SUCICIDE BOMBING IS AS WRONG AS TAKING PEOPLE'S LAND JUST CAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT IS AS WRONG AS ALLOWING ONE SIDE TO BRUTALIZE ANOTHER FOR FIFTY YEARS BECUAUSE THEY SHARE YOUR POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW. I am *fed up* with this b*&&$@#t, whether it comes from Americans or Jews or  Muslims or three headed aliens living on Mars.  Being pissed off does not give you the right to kill other people.  Being Jewish does not give you the right to kill other people.  Being American does not give you the right to kill other people.  WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON DEFENING THESE INDEFENSIBLE POSITIONS?  They are all wrong, and these fools (american, israeli, and palestianian) are going to get us *all* killed.  

Sparrow >:(
Re: who will protest for these people?
bhaloo
04/13/02 at 11:28:32
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[quote author=Sparrow link=board=ummah;num=1018590313;start=15#18 date=04/13/02 at 09:18:05] DEFENDING SUCICIDE BOMBING IS AS WRONG AS TAKING PEOPLE'S LAND JUST CAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT IS AS WRONG AS ALLOWING ONE SIDE TO BRUTALIZE ANOTHER FOR FIFTY YEARS BECUAUSE THEY SHARE YOUR POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW.[/quote]

Who says "suicide bombing" (martydom operations) is wrong?  Many Islamic scholars, including Sheikh Qaradawi, approve of this practice against military targets and he even considers every jew in israel between the ages of 18-55 to be a military target as by definition they are required to do compulsory military service during those ages (for more details you can IM me).    What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is GENOCIDE.  The Israelis have no right to even exist as a country, the land was stolen from the Palestinians in 1949.  

And yes there are GOOD GUYS and BAD GUYS in this scenario there always has been and it should be clearer now.
BAD GUYS= Israel and EVERYONE supporting them

The Israelis stole the Palestinian land, stole their homes, killed them, and have the nerve to call them the terrorists.  The Israelis come in with sophisticated aircraft, tanks, and weapons and continue to kill innocent Muslims and try and cover it up by burying people in massive graves.  What other option do the Palestinians have then to fight back?

04/14/02 at 09:24:53
bhaloo
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/13/02 at 12:50:28
bahloo,  as you say israel has no right to exist,  so if you had half a chance you would commit genocide on them?
Re: who will protest for these people?
ltcorpest2
04/13/02 at 13:17:52
mujahidd,  did you even readmy post,  i never said that all muslims who take up arms are terrorists.  but peopel that kil innocent people are
Re: who will protest for these people?
bhaloo
04/13/02 at 13:52:36
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Mike , so you approve of the state of Israel?  You wouldn't have a problem if a country like Spain came to the United States and declared that half of it belongs to Spain?  As I said before, but appearantly you didn't read it, non-Muslims are allowed to live there and practice their religion, BUT that doesn't give them the right to steal other people's lands, murder them and get rid of the Muslim state.  

Here was an excellent piece of commentary I came across, written by a Jewish man living here in the U.S.

  From David Bloomberg
   Houston Texas
   3-2-2

   Dear Jeff,

   BRAVO....finally something is printed in the press about
   the truth ! For about half a century, I am watching with utter amazement,
   how America let us Jews make many, if not practically all, its major decisions.

   We forced America, through influence direct and covert,
   to give Israel six to ten billion dollars per year so that the various
   Israeli regimes could confiscate Palestinian lands and massacre its inhabitants
   and we continue to see each day.

   We control practically all American News Media, Music,
   Films, Entertainment, Congress, Senate, 'Hollywood,' the White House, Stock
   Market, Gold market, and most of the Publishing, legal and medical professions.
   And America did not complain...Americans looked the other way. America
   was inexorably brought under Jewish, overt and covert, through power politics
   and stealth. There have been a few books about this, but try to find them.
   Neal Gabler's 'How The Jews Invented Hollywood' is an excellent look at
   just one industry's 'ownership' by American Jews.

   Tell me America, what is going on inside your head when
   you watch on the evening news an Israeli tank which was purchased with
   your tax money, evaporating a Palestinian child who is throwing stones
   at it? And what is going though your mind when we forced last week your
   former "first lady" Hillary Clinton to go to Israel and support
   that criminal government's actions? Speak up America, Nixon was the last
   American who had the grit and courage to do so. Is Hillary's visit to Israel
   last week, any different then the Pope keeping silence during the nazi
   holocaust in WW2?

   During the Clinton era, practically everybody in the
   White House was Jewish, with the exception of a few blacks which we Jews
   planted there just for good color, and America did not complain. America
   the kind,America the dumb, America the greatest Jewish cash cow imaginable.
   (You might want to check and see how your tax dollars are being spent right
   now on the Israeli 'Arrow' anti-missile program, for example.)

   We taught America that to be 'politically correct' is
   to be in agreement with us. We terrorized America and installed fear in
   EVERYONE by relentlessly accusing you of being an "anti-Semites"
   each time you disagreed with us, and America did not complained. What a
   scam! Fox News run a four part series showing IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that
   we Jews (Mossad ) control virtually every major aspect of American life
   and military, and what did you do? You buried your heads in the sand. And
   when we forced Fox-news to remove ALL that information from its website,
   what did you do? NOTHING.

   AMERICA DID NOT COMPLAIN - AMERICA DESERVES US !

   We did not allow the American press to print a single
   word about the terror bombing attempt of the Mexican parliament by the
   Mossad last year, and we kept you Americans ignorant and silent. In fact,
   if it was not for the rense.com website, the rest of the world would have
   never known about it!

   Jeff, you are probably surprised, to say the least, why
   me, as a Jew, would write such harsh words. Jeff, I firmly believe I represent
   the opinions of the majority of Jews in America. Most of us are kind, loving,
   caring people, as you well know. We are NOT obssessed with power and control.
   We are just normal Americans. Normal human beings. It is the few Jews,
   brilliant manipulators and masters of deceit at the very top who are under
   the total aegis of the Mossad...and who essentially control America.

   We average Jews are just as misinformed, manipulated
   and stupid as are most Americans. One of the top goals of the current Israel
   government and its New World Order overlords is to cause enough hatred
   against Jews in America, to fan the flames of 'discrimination,' so that
   many of us will be forced to emigrate to Israel - which is doomed as a
   Jewish nation because of the low birth rate. Most of the American Jewish
   "organizations" who pretend to represent us (and take our money)
   are, ultimately, all front organizations run from Israel and the majority
   of American Jews have nothing to do with them.

   It is these few Jews at the top, in key positions, who
   are encouraging planting the seeds of racism and hatred against us Jews
   in America...so that the hackneyed, shopworn label 'Anti-Semite!' can be
   leveraged for even more power.

   Nixon tried to expose these few Jews - and he lost. The
   progress we have made in the last thirty years is overwhelming. Now we
   are in total control, and there is NOTHING America can do. America is now
   marching under our orders into WW3, just like we Jews marched into the
   ovens of the Nazis. Someone said: There is one thing we have learned from
   history, it is that we never learned ANYTHING from history. Jeff, I bet
   you will not post my comment as the JDL and other activist groups will
   bombard you with email accusing you of a "Hate-Crime", and accusing
   me as being a "self-hating Jew". Nothing could be further from
   the truth. On behalf of the millions of your supportive Jewish American
   countrymen, please accept our deepest thanks for this excellent website.
   The truth will always win. I can only hope that it will not be too late,

   Yours,
   David Bloomberg
   Houston Texas
 
04/13/02 at 13:59:01
bhaloo
Re: who will protest for these people?
jannah
04/13/02 at 14:43:47
arrightey now...... let's all take some deep breaths... as se7en says.. inhale peach.. exchale lime.. inhale peach... exhale.. ok

now so far this thread has been very good, a lot of good tho a little heated discussion.  as long as everyone respects each other and doesn't break any of our rules it can continue.. inshaAllah, but please don't give me an excuse to close it.. aiite :)

so let's continue...

[quote] bahloo,  as you say israel has no right to exist,  so if you had half a chance you would commit genocide on them?[/quote]

uhhhh ltcorpest... who are you writing that to? to inflame everyone reading it? cause it seems like you didn't even read his post.  israel's existence was wrongly brought about --that everyone agrees with-- but now that it's here we have to deal with it along with its occupation of the palestinian people.  no one is supporting genocide let alone muslims -- even killing one innocent person in our religion is wrong and equated to killing all of humanity.  The Quran says:


* ...If anyone killed a person  it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind -- 5:32

and this verse seems to be the most pertinent of all:

* Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retribution or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). ?17:33

as for suicide bombings on military targets (note not civilian targets) that is a topic that is currently being debated by ulema in these changing circumstances AND as such is a banned topic on this board.

04/13/02 at 14:44:54
jannah


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