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| struggling |
| 04/17/02 at 16:22:44 |
| [slm] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1936000/1936242.stm A recognised spokesman for Osama Bin Laden's militant al-Qaeda network has made the clearest indication yet that it was responsible for the 11 September attacks on America. Sulaiman bu Ghaith said that al-Qaeda had managed to hit the United States "right on its doorstep". He was speaking in an undated recording aired on Wednesday by a Saudi-owned TV network. The spokesman, who is among Washington's most wanted men, accused the US of "publicly fighting Islam". "We were able to hit the source of infidelity which day and night publicly fights against Islam," he said. The same broadcast - by the Middle East Broadcasting Corporation - showed undated video of Bin Laden himself welcoming the suicide attacks, which killed about 3,000 people. |
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| struggling |
| 04/17/02 at 16:26:27 |
| [slm] Did any one on the board happen to see this clip? I can't see where he is really claiming 9/11. Wassalam |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/17/02 at 19:33:26 |
| of course i do not speak arabic, but the spokesman for al jazeera claimed he did, i had to rely on the english translation. Zawahiri, said the 19 hijackers were going to paradise. I guess that would be a claim that they were muslims. In which way do they need to tell you before you will believe that they did it? |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/18/02 at 01:07:44 |
| [slm] What kind of logic is that ltcorpest2? That is no proof that they did it. That kind of information would not hold up in ANY court of law. In fact, your claim is some wild accusation without any proof and an embarassment. |
| 04/18/02 at 01:08:36 |
| bhaloo |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/18/02 at 01:49:45 |
| wild accusation? well we are not prosecuting it in a court of law so it doesnt matter, bahloo, who is the embarassment? you ask for proof, but you wouldnt listen or hear any proof anyways. this was not some hidden act, this was 19 hijackers who didnt care if their identity was known. Can you not accept the fact that itwas muslims? I dont't hate muslims for waht happened on sept 11. I believe that it was an act of people who blasphemed God by using his ame in the act of violence that killed people of all faiths. But, it does bother me that muslims are fooling themselves into thinking in any explanation except for the truth. I feel i have made a great effort to understand muslims including reading the Quran, going to a mosque, reading the posts on here. But i will never understand why you feel the need to attack. In fact i made no accusation in my post, i just quoted (kinda my own transalation) of what i heard from the latest video and what the Al jazeera spokesman said, I aksed you the question before but you deleted my post, you said that there is no proof muslims were behind this, Can i aks the question to maybe someone else, if Zawahiri says that the 19 hijackers are in paradise and with allah, would that not make them muslims? or at lest wouldnt he think they were muslims? If it was the israel mossad, i doubt that he would have made that claim. Is Zawahiri respected as muslim? read the 1st post, i did not put it on here. it gave the cearest indication that it was responsible, why do you accuse me of making the wild accusation? |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/18/02 at 02:29:58 |
| [slm] [quote author=ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1019074965;start=0#4 date=04/18/02 at 01:49:45] you ask for proof, but you wouldnt listen or hear any proof anyways. [/quote] you have yet to provide any proof, yet you claim that no muslim would listen. maybe if you actually provided proof you would get a response. [quote] Can you not accept the fact that itwas muslims? I dont't hate muslims for waht happened on sept 11. [/quote] i am asking for proof, not for some wild speculations and claims. and so far there has been no proof provided, especially from you, just wild accusations from you saying it was Muslims. [quote] But, it does bother me that muslims are fooling themselves into thinking in any explanation except for the truth. [/quote] It bothers me that there are people that are prejudice and are looking at things with a closed mind. Whether it was Muslims or someone else that did it, I have yet to see any proof. And there are many prominent non-Muslim journalists that have written about this, and their articles have appeared here over the last few months, but appearantly you didn't read those, otherwise you wouldn't be assuming that it was Muslims that did this. [quote] else, if Zawahiri says that the 19 hijackers are in paradise and with allah, would that not make them muslims? or at lest wouldnt he think they were muslims? [/quote] Why would that make them muslim? Why would he think they were muslim? And we can't say who is in paradise and who isn't. This is your assumption that they are muslim. [quote] Is Zawahiri respected as muslim? read the 1st post, i did not put it on here. it gave the cearest indication that it was responsible, why do you accuse me of making the wild accusation? [/quote] I don't know anything about Zawahiri's credentials or the person. It did not give the clearest indication that "it" was responsible. Someone says he did it or that others did it, that is not proof. What is interesting is that the article says "has made the clearest indication yet", meaning that they are still looking for proof to this day. If they actually had proof, why would they need to mention this phrase? Why would they still be searching for proof? |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 04/18/02 at 03:06:45 |
| [quote]Zawahiri, said the 19 hijackers were going to paradise.[/quote] This is not something new. Bin Laden made several statements similar to this before, in which he praised those hijackers who carried out the attacks of Sep. 11, and called them martyrs, etc. [quote]I guess that would be a claim that they were muslims.[/quote] Yes, it would. But it would just be that. A claim. A claim made by Zwahiri and Bin Laden. And like any other "claim", this claim can be true or false. By the way, this is a little off the side, but not once have they (Bin Laden, Zwahiri, Mullah Omar, etc) claimed responsibility *themselves* for the attacks! They have always talked in 3rd person, praising "those" who carried out the attacks. So the CNN headline where it says that al-Qaeda claims responsibility for the attacks is technically incorrect. They are not claiming responsibility for anything at all. They are simply praising the terrorist actions of Sep. 11. (Such praise, of course, is unwarranted according to the Islamic standards, as has been explained *many* times ... and I hope that is clear in everyone's minds insha Allah). P.S. Please do not misunderstand what I'm saying in this post. I'm *not* implying that al-Qaeda is innocent (or guilty for that matter). I'm not going to make this judgment, at least not on this board (why should I?). I'm simply sharing some observations that I have made with the rest of you. And Allah (swt) knows best. |
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