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Our Sisters in Gujrat
BrKhalid
04/19/02 at 07:30:36
Gujarat Muslim women 'rape victims'

Muslim women were subjected to "unimaginable inhuman and barbaric" sexual violence during recent communal riots in the west Indian state of Gujarat, according to a woman's panel that has visited the state.

[I]Many women suffered the worst forms of sexual violence, including gang-rape, says their report, "How has the Gujarat massacre affected minority women. The survivors speak", released on Tuesday. [/I]

The violence began when 58 passengers were killed when a train carrying Hindu activists was torched on 27 February. It led to one of the worst bouts of Hindu-Muslim violence in the state.

The official death toll in last month's riots has now risen to 778, although welfare groups put the figure at about 2000.

'Complicity'

Most of the rape victims were burnt alive, Tuesday's report says.

The head of the team, Syeda Hameed, told a Delhi press conference that the impact of such violence on women has been physical, economic and psychological.

The team - one of the first to visit Gujarat in the aftermath of the riots - says it found evidence of police complicity in perpetrating crime against women.

They allege that the police refused to file complaints by the victims.


The team also demanded the announcement of a special compensation package.

The panel also demanded that a special tribunal be set up to ensure justice for victims.

The report also said there was no evidence of any support from the state authorities in Gujarat to help women who had suffered attack.

Special guards

In parliament on Tuesday, junior Home Minister ID Swamy said the Gujarat Government had taken a pro-active role in supporting relief camps run by non-government organisations and that essential commodities were being supplied.

Meanwhile, the Gujarat Government announced special security measures to ensure protection to nearly 200,000 students who will be taking exams from Thursday.

Gujarat's Education Minister Anandi Patel says special buses guarded by the police will be made available to help students travel in six riot-affected districts where exams have been postponed.

Sporadic violence in Gujarat's main city, Ahmedabad, has continued with another death in police firing during clashes between Hindus and Muslims late on Monday night.

At least 11 areas of Ahmedabad district are still under curfew.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1933000/1933521.stm[/url]
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
Aneesa_A.
04/19/02 at 07:52:01
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What has been going there has been absolutely horrific. I posted a thread a few weeks back about the sort of incidents that took place there, but the most of it was edited because it was too graphic.

May Allah protect them all. Ameen.

[wlm]
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
zeyn
04/19/02 at 11:22:00
just to reinterate the above posts..the situation is very tense over there..even in areas of gujurat that never had any violence before (baruch area..i have relatives who just came from there who are pretty depressed about the situation there)
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 13:12:39
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The only way to stop those beasts is Jihad. You fight them, kill them, protect the muslims from them.

The muslim countries, the arab league, the muslim league of nations, should develop a peacekeeping, rapid reaction force so that when such violance breaks out in any country, these units can be de[ployed within hours to protect the muslims from such violance. That has to be our long term aim. In the short term,every muslim household should arm themselves with firearms.

People's eyes may pop out in surprise, and say "my, he just loves violance dont he, can't he think of anything else", but the reality is, how else are you gona stop a bunch of lunatics, most who are manic depressants, from carrying out these appaling crimes agianst muslim women? Talking will not work, these pople wont talk. They would only be stopped by violance, by bullets, and with force. I think the Gujarat muslims now realise this. Inshallah, they will start taking steps to enure that the next time such violance kicks of, they will not be massacred again.

All those who are gujarati, or know people who are gujaati, should send money through these people so it reaches the gujarat region, money sent specifically or weapons. The Gujrat region is mostly a place of poverty, especially for the muslims, so they would not be able to raise the funds for their own defence. They can barely survive on the little money they have. But they need some way of defending themselves when they get thousands of crazed hindu fanatics coming for thier blood.

Having firearms will go a long way to them being able to defend themselves.

A secret guerilla army is another.

And getting themselves into high positions in the police force is another step.

Inshallah this tragedy will have woken the Gujarat muslims.
04/19/02 at 13:13:14
mujaahid
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
zeyn
04/19/02 at 13:42:57
mujahid u are assuming they are sleeping there..a harsh assumption to make unless u have been there and seen what they are up to..and ppl are sending money over there..and have been as long as i have been able to remember
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 13:59:25
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Zeyn, my family have been thier 4 times in the last 10 years. They came back a few months ago after a 4 month stay.

Their opinion was most of the muslims are messed up big time. One Hafiz guy, really well respected, told my family he was taking my little brother to the mosque and instead took him to the cinema!!

They said nearly all the guys didnt pray, they spent their time watching zee tv and other such nonsese, they lazed around all day, doing nothing, not praying, not doing any of the things muslims should. In fct many didnt even go to Jummah prayer!!

They have seen first hand how bad the situation is in regards to the muslims having lost all interest in Islaam. They spend their time arguing and fighting each other!! How the Hindus must love that in the muslims, easy targets, sheep ready for the slaughter!
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
zeyn
04/19/02 at 14:13:48
ah mujahhid can u let me know what part of gujurat that was at..reason is i know different parts have very different situations in terms of islamic development..like part of gujurat where most of my relatives are they have mixed in a lot of hindu culture in their religious beliefs..we are trying to work on them..but as you know its a slow progess
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 14:23:31
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Zeyn, they are mainly in the Ahmedabab region!! The area of most of the troubles!! They neglected islaam, and look what has befallen them.

Its the same story all over the world, from Iraq to Bosnia to Kosovo to Rwanda.
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
Dawn
04/19/02 at 14:31:57
Umm, mujaahid, Rwanda is only about 1% muslim.  

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The majority of Rwandans, about 65%, are Roman Catholic, with another 9% Protestant. Only about 1% of the population is Muslim. About a fourth of Rwandans are adherents of indigenous beliefs. However, these numbers and divisions are not clear cut. Many Rwandans practice both their traditional religion and Christianity at the same time. At the core of traditional religion is a supreme being or spirit called Imana. This supreme being can only be addressed through intermediaries, and they can be Christian, the spirits of deceased family members known as abazima, or other illustrious ancestors. In this final category, Ryangombe and Nyabingi are two venerated ancestral deities that can intercede and ask for power and benevolence from Imana but do not posses them themselves. Ryangombe is venerated mostly in southern and western Rwanda. Nyabingi is a goddess venerated mostly in northern Rwanda.

Rwandan's believe that one's familial ancestors, the abazima, can protect and benefit living family members if they are honored and remembered through sacrifices. When they are not, and sacrifices are not performed, they can cause illness or other misfortunes. Diviners are called upon by family members to interpret the wishes of abazima and to recommend ways to appease angered ancestors.

Source: Taylor, C.C. 1995. Rwandans. In [i]Worldmark Encyclopedia of Cultures and Daily Life[/i].
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 14:51:45
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Dawn, those massacres that happend in the mid 90's, where 2 million people were killed, many of them were muslims. The BBC done a special report on that about 2 years ago for the Comic Relief event, all the victims and survivors of the massacres and rape camps were muslims.
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
Dawn
04/19/02 at 15:11:37
I'd be a little wary of believing that for the following reasons.

1.  The media in general has been fairly anti-Muslim for the last 20 years.  If what you said was indeed the case, I think the media would have jumped on that real fast, and not for the betterment of the Muslim community, I can assure you.

2.  The population of Rwanda, according to their own embassy, is only 8 million.  Check out [url]www.rwandemb.org/[/url].  I have found slightly smaller numbers elsewhere.  As for the number killed, I recall about 800,000 being the maximum estimate, with about 2 million refugees fleeing the country.  This is what the Human Rights Watch has to say about those numbers:  [url]www.hrw.org/reports/1999/rwanda/Geno1-3-04.htm[/url]

3.  The venue in which the info was presented was, shall we say, a bit on the informal side and potentially prone to exageration.

Now, ultimately, this is not to say that I know that the info is false.   I am just inclined to disbelieve it for the above stated reasons.

Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 15:19:20
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Dawn

Comic relief is a major national event which taks place every 2 years. The last one focused largely on the survivors of the Rwanda war, the orphanes, the amputees, and the women who lost their hubands and survived the rape camps.

Now anyone from the UK who watched this, and i'm sure thier are people fere who did, will comfirm that every single one of the areas they went to, and spoke to the victims, ALL were muslims.  
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
Dawn
04/19/02 at 15:35:51
Don't worry, I am aware of what Comic Relief is, though I haven't ever seen a broadcast of one.  I would certainly be interested in seeing the one you are referring to.  However, the point remains that there is quite a bit of dissonance between the report as you are relaying it and other published facts, which needs to be resolved if one is to believe your version.  That is all that I am saying.  BTW, I assume you are referring to the Comic Relief that does the Red Nose Day in the UK, and not the one run by Whoopie Goldberg, et. al. in the States, correct?
Re: Our Sisters in Gujrat
mujaahid
04/19/02 at 15:48:32
Yep, i'm referring to the  Red Nose one!! I'll search the net and se if the BBC have any reports from that stuff in thier archives.


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