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| eleanor |
| 05/03/02 at 09:40:03 |
| Bismillah [slm] Can anyone help me??? I really badly need to lose weight - but I am ALWAYS hungry. I have just come to this realisation since I have concentrated on eating less. Why am I always hungry? And why do I always have cravings for fatty or sweet foods??? Is it a psychological thing? I also need to start getting more active. I was thinking maybe 20mins - half an hour of exercise every evening. Is that enough? Like a fast walk or something and maybe if I get fitter I can start jogging... that seems a long way off now. I really disgust myself how fat and unfit I have become. I feel ashamed of myself all the time. Can anyone else here identify with me or does anyone have any good tips for me? Jazak Allahu Khayrun to you all for listening :) wasalaam eleanor :-* |
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| Maliha |
| 05/03/02 at 09:56:26 |
| [slm] No matter what you do, Do Not Starve yourself! It does not work!!! The body goes into this auto mechanism mode of conserving FAT...So your metabolism slows down, and instead of losing fat you end up losing muscle. The general advice is either eat six small meals a day or three large meals... keep around lotsa fruits and veggies to snack on. Prepare lighter recipes for your meals, substitute the fatty stuff for lower calories... Start excersizing...even in small doses, start with the half hour walks, move on to jogs, make them longer, etc...Do Tae bo, or aerobics they are good for your heart too... it makes all the difference in how you psychologically feel about yourself. When I'm in the workout mode (I have my ups and downs :( ), I feel energized, my appetite is more controlled, and even before I start losing weight I just feel good overall... Also drink lotsa water...8 glasses a day minimum...it really works in controlling your appetite and cleansing your system, besides your skin looks goooooooood ;) Well, I think that's my shpppppppppppill for today:) Now I just need to apply all that i've written down :-[ Maliha :-) [wlm] |
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| Mohja |
| 05/03/02 at 10:44:37 |
| [quote] 8 glasses a day minimum [/quote] :o :o :o you're kidding right?? umm maliha, could you like come over here and be my personal trainer? plllllllllllllleaaase [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/embarass.gif[/img] |
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| se7en |
| 05/03/02 at 10:57:54 |
as salaamu alaykum, umm can I have her first? I'm all good with exercising but it's just food that's bad. And pepsi! Pepsi is very very bad. [] = :'( |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/03/02 at 11:34:21 |
| [slm] That tae-bo is a really good workout, I was surprised, I felt sore after my first day, but the other days I was fine. Yes, you need to drink at least 8 glasses of water a day. I heard one doctor saying that to lose weight just increase your water intake. |
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| Dawn |
| 05/03/02 at 15:27:26 |
| I don't know if you are in a position to do it whenever you feel hungry, but brief exercising can help to eliminate the hunger pangs. (Works wonders for me!) Also, sometimes simply drinking a glass of water (or iced tea, or diet pepsi, if you aren't into water) can help get rid of hunger pangs. Another thing would be, do you have anyone that you could buddy system with, sort of holding each other accountable for reaching goals? That can often be a very good motivator, and you don't feel like you are doing everything alone. Just some suggestions. :-* |
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| Dawn |
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| Laila |
| 05/03/02 at 16:13:56 |
| [slm] Cutting down on the amount of breads, pastas, and rice will help take care of the 'SUGAR CRAZIES" ( I had them for [u]YEARS[/u] :P). And yes do drink the 8 glasses of water- it helps remove the toxins from your system as you lose weight. Keep cut finger veggies in a glass of ice water in the fridge for cravings or those times before meals when you just need [u]something[/u] ;D. And whatever you do- try to stay away from regular sugar in all forms- it's a killer on the cravings once you succumb :o. [wlm] :-) Laila |
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| M.F. |
| 05/06/02 at 05:57:36 |
| Assalamu alaikum You could be getting hungry a lot because you don't eat enough protein and fiber when you do eat. Make sure your meals and snacks are high in both and you probably won't get as hungry in between. |
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| Kashif |
| 05/06/02 at 07:08:21 |
| assalaamu alaikum Also set yourself REAL targets.. meaning, one should't expect to lose 2kg in 1 week! Set yourself a plan and stick to it, and slowly but surely, the pounds will start dropping off insha'allah. btw. Did anyone see the nutitional value of a bowl of Shreddies? One 45g bowl has over 900 calories in it! And thats just breakfast. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| mwishka |
| 05/06/02 at 10:09:39 |
| dear eleanor, the first thing to remember is that once you recognize a change that you really need or want, you have to be very easy on yourself while you figure out how to make it. in this case, i think that what you want is to feel better, in general. so don't think in terms of losing wieght, think in terms of feeling better. it's very hard to reach our goals, even small ones, if we scare ourselves to death by how insurmountable they seem. what you actually need to do is re-establish health in your metabolic pathways, meaning give your body what it needs to function well. this is not as hard to do as it sounds, and the rest will follow, quite naturally. i'd suggest a few easy things: when you first get up in the morning, have a big glass of cool water. after a few days of this you'll be surprised how refreshed it will make you feel! your body just spent all night removing toxins, repairing damage, and processing wastes in its efforts to prepare itself for a new day. it needs that water! if you drink coffee or tea, be sure you drink the water first. don't go even one day without a bowl of rice. and for right now, i'd recommend three bowls a day. you may not be used to this, but it should be brown rice. (white rice is a completely different food..) i can't quite remember where you live - i think europe? - but if you're in a city you should be able to find a store that sells either "whole" foods, "natural" foods, or "health" foods, and hopefully even a place that sells grains in bulk. there's a wonderful big rice producer in the US called texmati (texas, of course) - they grow brown basmatti, the most delightful rice. maybe you can find it where you are. what the rice will do for you is re-condition the lining of your intestines, an absolutely necessary thing to do for you to be able to use the food you eat in the way you need to. two things must be restored: the villi (folds that increase surface area for absorption of nutrients) and the function of the ion channels themselves (the means by which transport across the membrane is maintained). if you've been eating a lot of processes foods (lots of white flour products or packaged or prepared stuff), this lining may be smooth, flat, and weak (must be motile), and not up to its important job. (uh oh - getting kind of long....) i also recommend that you take a multiple vitamin every day. many of them are poorly formulated (improper ratios), but don't worry about that now. buy the best one you can afford. the brands i use are source naturals and solgar, and spectrum for things like flax oil or primrose oil, but you may not be able to get these where you are. what you want to be sure you're getting are B vitamins and trace "minerals" (metal ions), and most multiples provide the minimal amounts of these you need for your 'background' intake. wow - have to get to my lab. my last suggestion for right now (i'll come back and fill in the gaps, like ways not to be hungry, etc.) is to -without pressuring yourself - walk extra. if you live in town and have lots of choices, just pick a few each day, extra steps wherever possible. you'll need to build up your tolerance and stamina - but you want to be easy on yourself first of all. if you live out of town and must drive to get anywhere, use the 'parking lot strategy': keep parking further and further away until you'd never think of parking close! take care, mwishka |
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| mwishka |
| 05/06/02 at 18:47:23 |
| a little more: ok, a couple of things about being hungry: first, you're hungry because your body is hungry - it's most likely not just a psychological thing. you said you've been eating "less", which means that before that you were eating what you'd call "more". the question is, what nutrients were you losing out on by eating less, and how little total food can your body tolerate without telling you "i'm huuuunnnnnggryyyy....?" the idea of eating less only works if you've already been eating well. if you want sweets, you need energy, and that's the easiest way to a very quick source. if you want fats, that's usually a real sign of hunger, especially hunger because what you're eating is not meeting your needs for nutrition. both of these as cravings are just telling you you're not giving your body the things it really needs to be well-fed - it's kind of like running on half-empty, but more like having fuel in the tank that's been diluted. what you want to do is fill yourself (later you can adapt this to eating less than 'full') with a combination of foods that will slow your digestion. if that sounds to you like the opposite of what you want, thinking "but i want my metabolic rate to be higher", for right now you want to be well-fed without being hungry or overfed. your metabolic rate may change or it may never change - we're all different. you want the food you're eating to be going into your system slowly enough so that all parts of it - fats, carbohydrates, proteins, etc. - have time to be well processed through your entire digestive tract, so that you're getting the most out of what you eat. you also have to pay attention to what you THINK you want to eat, and sort out true instinct from a need for comfort - though comfort's also an instinctual need...:> your body will tell you what it's being deprived of. for example, i get migraines if i go without enough food or sleep - i'll start craving, and become quite desperate for, salt and peanut butter. what i really need is magnesium (peanut butter) but my body tells me "find salt, quick!" because it knows the blood pressure drop is starting before i'm even aware of it. let me say that the best thing to do to take care of yourself is to not make it too hard on yourself. do only as much as you can until that feels comfortable and then move on. i think that when you need to make change, especially in any aspect of our lives that is essential to us, like food intake or activity level, you need to find the most moderate and compromising way you can to make the change BEGIN most easily, and later you can become harder on yourself, if you need to. sometimes it's good to be strict, but not when it's going to harm you by causing you to go in the direction opposite to where you want to go. all of that said, and cementing my reputation for most words in the smallest number of posts, here are some specific suggestions: water IS really important. (8/8 oz. glasses really is a good number if you can handle it, many people can't. don't worry about that - drink what you can.) but don't drink water right before or right after you eat - it dilutes the stomach acid and makes digestion more difficult. drink water in between meals. as an example of a bad way to use water, models consume almost nothing but water for a day if not days before a shoot, because they can literally lose that weight the next morning, but still look hydrated and fresh. (this is one of those starvation methods to avoid.) a nice-sized bowl of brown rice every meal. begin your meal with rice. this is one of those 'slow' foods, and you get B vitamins from it because the rice isn't stripped of its outer hull. i eat butter, you can put oil on it if you'd rather. (don't eat margarine.) ghee is the equivalent of "butter-as-oil", it's just had the solids removed. protein every meal, a different kind of slow food. whereas whole grains are broken down quickly, beginning with enzymes in your mouth, but go into your system at a smooth slow pace, protein is hard to break down, and is the most difficult job your body has in taking in food. proteins are the main reason our stomach has to be at only pH 2 (very, very acid). we don't use proteins as we take them in, we take them completely apart to their components and put them back together in new forms. here i can't advise for a meat eater, but i eat a LOT of tofu, fried in butter, but you can use oil. if you'd like to consider adding tofu to the foods you eat, when you find a natural food store buy some nutritional yeast - NOT torula or brewer's yeast because these are bitter, though they're nutritious if you like them - the key is to eat things that taste good. people who eat meat say nutritional yeast makes things taste meaty to them. you can't imagine the number of people who've tasted my tofu cooked this way and now have their whole families eating it, even steak-loving meat-and-potatoes stick-in-the-mud husbands... hee hee this is the flavor of marmite. a bowl of hot rice with butter, yeast and tamari (soy sauce) beats a piece of chocolate cake hands down! i'm really not kidding - and i love cake more than most people, but we're talking hunger and meeting it, and feeling good and staying that way. the only general comment i'd make about meat is that, from what i remember of eating meat as a child, i suspect that if you're mostly eating dry low-fat cuts of meat, even white chicken, you're not getting what meat is good for, and just torturing your hunger level and cravings. brown meat (dark meat) is tastier and satisfies our (real) need for energy and nutrients better than white meat can. it's not always a pleasant thing to keep in mind, but just think of where the animal stored which nutrients in its own body, and eat the parts that will do you the most good. (the same idea applies to plants.) have to go - a few more things just quickly... dark greens - (repeat from my advice to bro hanif): you can't go without them. pick one you like - spinach is mild flavored and usually readily available - and eat it almost every day. i'd advise not to go for salads, unless they're dark greens and you're making it yourself, though you could call a lettuce salad one of your glasses of water for the day! whatever you make, add greens to it. it's easy to keep frozen spinach in the house. things i put spinach/chard in include spaghetti, lasagna (with beans, too), lentil soup, grilled cheese sandwiches - all sandwiches!.... oops really gotta cut this short... drink milk. (yyeeeechhhhh.....for some people, i know..) i drink whole milk. (see akhwat chocolate discussion for a good reason to do this..) there is the question of fat-attached pesticides, but i've decided that in my case the desirable food intake outweighs that concern since i eat clean mostly. i don't eat fish so i take flax oil to be sure i'm getting at least some omega fatty acids. if you have a good source of clean fresh fish, so much the better! if you can drink milk, take your vitamins with it. if not take them with a meal. you MUST have fats present for the absorption of some vitamins (A, D, E), and remember that both B and C vitamins are water soluble - which means that you excrete whatever isn't used at the time you take it in. we need C in much greater quantities than any of the Bs, which is the reason it's such a commonly known and frequently taken supplement. don't take vitamins with caffeine - it destroys several of them on the spot. eat whole wheat breads, etc. as much as you can, soba (buckwheat pasta) won't give you that sugar intake effect of white pasta - and there are very very few non-gritty whole wheat pastas out there, so i don't recommend them. another option you can find in the US, though expensive, is artichoke flour pasta by a company named deboles. it's flour from a tuber, not at all a grain flour. oh - diminishing hunger: if you're hungry and uncomfortable and know you will get to eat before long, have caffeine. coffee, tea, or bebzi - it doesn't matter, but it will quell the hunger by switching you to reserve nutrients from your body. which is EXACTLY the reason you should only resort to this if you know a meal is not far ahead of you. if you take in too much caffeine you will be less hungry, at first, but you will also be irritable, impatient, and generally hard to get along with because not only will you be chronically hungry, but you will be utilizing adrenalin to get around that need for food which you're not meeting. you'll be set up for "fight-or-flight", but more prone to the fight end of things. you can drink a glass of water to try to buy yourself some time until you can get real food, but the reason the water will make you less hungry is because most of us are dehydrated to some degree almost all the time, so we've helped ourselves in a different way with that water, but also, it just takes up space and dilutes the acid that's telling us we're hungry. i advise feeding yourself when you're hungry, not avoiding the state you're in. ok - must go. good luck, and be easy on yourself. i'm sorry i was kind of incomplete with this information - maybe i'll have time to come back and re-read it and see if there are other specific things i've left out that might be of interest to you. mwishka (eleanor, i feel i should add that i try to be good in the way i eat and take care of myself because of other types of medical problems, like trying - yes, that's TRYING - to keep active for pain control from injuries, and the only fight i have with my weight is in the opposite direction when i get really stressed out. but i have seen several friends manage to get their weight under control by starting these basic kinds of changes in the foods they consume, and making themselves change only as much as they're able, when they're able. but health is the same type of state for all of us, and the idea of good muscle tone extends right down inside to our organs - weak structures hurt our vitality.) |
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| jannah |
| 05/07/02 at 01:18:31 |
| [quote]all of that said, and cementing my reputation for most words in the smallest number of posts, here are some specific suggestions: [/quote] very funny ;) thanx mwishka that is great information there...!!! one question though.. where would i buy this brown rice basmati?? sounds like good stuff... |
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| jannah |
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| eleanor |
| 05/07/02 at 04:47:57 |
| [slm] Jazak Allahu Khayrun to you all for your words of advice and help thus far, especially sister Mwishka :) I have a couple of questions. First - I am hungry. As I sit and write this I am hungry!!! Why?? It's roughly 10.40 am. Okay. I got up shortly after 6 am, so I have been up for almost five hours. ( I know I am a genius.) Right, so not having read mwishka's advice on drinking water on getting up, I had two cups of filtered coffee, with two slices of brown bread with `iet jam. Then about an hour later I was hungry (!) and had an apple and a banana. And just now, about 20 minutes ago I ate another apple. So what's wrong with me? Apart from that I've drunk a glass of water and a glass of unsweetened apple juice. I have, in my bag, a little container with strawberries, another one with carrot sticks, a banana and a sandwich with chicken luncheon roll, cucumber and lettuce and a scraping of mayo. I'm not really craving anything sweet or fatty at the moment, but I am losing interest in fruit. ??? Apart from that I was a little confused by some of your tips.. I thought rice was very fattening, like bread and pasta. And milk? Whole fat??? Every time I drink milk ( I *love* milk) my husband does this ----> ::) I thought milk was *very* fattening? But I loved your suggestion on concentrating on wanting to feel better. That's what I will do. And making the small changes should help too, Insha Allah. Drinking water is no problem, Alhamdullilah, I can easily drink at least 8 glasses a day. It's just remembering to do it that's the problem. ::) Anyways. thanks for taking the time to help and type your fingers to the bone.. Mwishka, I'm glad you registered, you are a very welcome addition to the board :) wasalaam eleanor :-* oh yes! I forgot - I live in Germany, we have lots of "Bio" shops here. They are expensive, but I'll browse and see what I can find |
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| Maliha |
| 05/07/02 at 08:25:09 |
| [slm] Is Mwiksha a sis? Maliha :-) [wlm] |
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| mwishka |
| 05/07/02 at 13:38:27 |
| dear, dear eleanor, there's nothing wrong with you! :) i know it's a common idea to eat low calorie snacks such as fruit, but that only works if you're not already generally hungry. what fruit provides is sugar molecules that have to be broken apart to free the glucose half so we can use it. it's slower, that's why it's a better snack than the sucrose (table sugar) based snacks we commonly eat. you'd feel better if you go for slow food snack like whole grains with protein. neither of these are fattening in and of themselves - it's the rest of what you eat that determines how the foods you take in are processed, whether they're utilized or stored. the amount of food you said you'd eaten in the period of time since you'd been up made me feel hungry just thinking about it -- but, then, come to think of it, i AM hungry - it's lunchtime here! once again, i have little time right now, and will try to write more to you this evening. for a comprehensive guide to how to plan meals and snacks which will keep you satisfied and lead to better overall health, see if you can find a copy of adelle davis' "let's eat right to keep fit". she was in the vanguard of nutritional research years and years ago, but, as was linus pauling, branded a kook or nut for daring to say nutritional intake is more important to us than the often false practice of "medicine". you don't have to follow her recommendations exactly, but she has plans for what specifically to include in meals and snacks at different times of the day for optimal nutritional benefit of the things we eat. and also, as i recall, has a weight maintenance menu guide included. (i think all the menus were in the appendix..) with her help, you might not even need mine! ;) (but feel free to ask me any questions about the specific supplements she advises - and, again, don't be put off by anything she says that sounds weird to you. just ignore those parts.) maliha - yep, i'm the sis bro muqaddar advised not to grow a beard when i go to palestine. :o mwishka |
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| mwishka |
| 05/07/02 at 13:49:59 |
| oh yeah - jannah, without, um, revealing my location, except to say there's a great barrier between east and west, and it's well known that those in the east are much more serious (and dull??) than those in the west, i'll tell you in code: honest weight. ;) mwishka |
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| mwishka |
| 05/07/02 at 20:05:46 |
| eleanor, (thank you for your kind welcome, by the way!) i'll try to clear up the things that sounded confusing: whole milk - no, it's not for everyone. i don't eat anywhere near as clean as i used to when i would even buy organic raw milk. (now i can't afford to and it's inconvenient for me these days - but i used to work at a natural foods cooperative distributor). BUT, i still like to eat foods that have been messed with as little as possible. go ahead and drink 2% or 1% or skimmed milk if you prefer. please don't feel obligated to follow my preference on this. (i think adelle davis' book might even say skimmed milk in her menus.) essentially, when we're eating well, the only things that are fattening are........fats! but in the real world, if we set up a pattern where the total caloric value (meaning how much energy they can provide to us) of the foods we take in, in a day, for example, exceeds the value of the energy we use over that same day, our body has to find somewhere to store that excess amount, and it's not going to waste it after it went to ahl that work digesting that food. it has an investment in the energy available from that food. (i'm sure you've heard all of this before, i'm just using it to clear up the bread, pasta, fruit confusion..) (oh man, where's the chemdraw in this place..... i was going to show you some structures to make it very clear... hmmmm....last time i drew some benzene molecules for someone when i was on a long hallucinatory trip into the molecular world (just kidding!) -- when i was explaining the concept of resonance to a non-chemist, the molecules seemed to break apart when i sent them...) ok, sorry, eleanor, but i'm have to go out of here and make some molecules for you and then come back. this is one of those TO BE CONTINUED episodes. (hmmmm.......could it be i'm just trying to increase the number of my short posts so my total words can be averaged out at a lower value, so people won't scream yipe! when they see my name...... ;) ) mwishka |
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| Aabidah |
| 05/08/02 at 00:21:45 |
| [slm] Like Maliha said, small meals at small intervals work, and also exercise. I also recommend Tae-bo, like Bhaloo said. After the first day your muscles are a little sore, but it's an awesome set, really helps you get in shape InshaAllah. I don't do this as well, and I really need to follow it, but 8 glasses of water is the recommended amount of intake. 8 glasses of 8 oz. each ;)....a lot of water, but beneficial in the long run inshaAllah. [wlm] Betul |
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| mwishka |
| 05/08/02 at 12:42:36 |
| eleanor, the simplicity of sis aabidah's post reiinded me that NO ONE but me really cares about this chemical detail i was about to inundate you with! sorry - i tend to enjoy understanding everything i encounter at this level, and often forget that most other people find this booooooring.... ::) in fact, if i were to take a poll here, i think it would go like this :) : how many want to see chemical structures of these nutrient molecules and hear anything about the mechanism of their metabolism? what?! NO ONE does? NO ONE at all??! ok..... :'( i'll try not to get so carried away.... white flour products go into the body essentially as sugar - as laila said. (no structures, i promise...) actually, our bodies PREFER to break down fats for energy, because the yield is higher (plus we get the benefit of more water produced! think: camel.) (glucose can be stored in muscle as glycogen to be called on for short term energy in an emergency. people who exercise hard have experienced the physical sensation of that switchover.) but if you take in more calories than you need, on a regular basis, you're not breaking down fatty acids for energy, you're just using the incoming supply of glucose. THAT'S why you could think that continuing to eat carbohydrate calories is fattening. it isn't at all, it's just a question of where your energy supply is coming from. mwishka |
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| Asim |
| 05/09/02 at 00:35:44 |
| [quote]how many want to see chemical structures of these nutrient molecules and hear anything about the mechanism of their metabolism? [/quote] Me, umm,.. no chemical structures though (they would be just lines and circles to most of us :)) but the details are more than welcome. You mentioned something about fat and water soluble vitamins. I once read that we shouldn't take fat and water soluble vitamins at the same but rather take them at separate meals to aid effective absobtion. Any truth in that. |
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| mwishka |
| 05/09/02 at 10:51:36 |
| asim, there are few simple answers in questions of nutrition and chemistry, just in the way that what's true for one person's metabolism or good health may not be at all true for another person. so, the simplest answer i can give you to that question is "no.....mostly". but all i mean by that is that you can certainly take water soluble and fat soluble vitamins at the same time if you're only referring to general categories. if that were completely untrue, multiple vitamins couldn't even be sold because they couldn't be effective. (yes, there are companies of high enough integrity that they would not indulge in this type of formulation if that were the case.) there are some vitamins (supplements, i should say) that shouldn't be taken together, for example E and iron, and there are others that should always be taken together (A and E, or E and C). actually, i don't take multiples except when i've been negligent in my eating for days at a time, because of the complication of their ratios. some things in them i don't need, some things i need at much higher levels. we all have individual needs, but a multiple just sort of gives you a minimum level, to help you out. (the way to find out what you personally need is to take things individually, both from pills or from foods rich in a prticular nutrient, and then just observe your own reactions. you'll be able to tell when the difference is positive. you can find out both the foods/nutrients you need the most of, and then the amount that makes you feel best.) one last comment on the whole question of pill-type supplementation to food intake: we (especially in the US, but in lots of other countries, too) have destroyed our soil. we can't get what we need from commercial food, produce as well as meat, because we force feed both plants and animals things to control their growth to suit our shipping and perishability needs - the nutritional value of these foods to the humans who are eating them is not even a consideration. and that's without even looking at engineering them to make profits even greater than they are just from controlling the natural growth of these organisms we depend on. this is why i suggest growing whatever you can for yourself. and composting all your food scraps so the things you grow have a rich supply of nutrients to grow from and then pass on as quality food for you. (oh, that's all your scraps EXCEPT meat - don't put meat in your compost, it will only rot. remember how hard it is for even our amazingly efficient bodies to break down animal protein.) how'm i doing? a little briefer, no? (and no structures! :D ) mwishka |
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| Mohja |
| 05/09/02 at 17:57:09 |
| one more question for our resident nutrition advisor ;) i've noticed that eating raw tomatoes in the morning gives me energy and makes me less prone to hunger. Would you know why that maybe the case (it might be a psychological thing for all i know)? i know that it is claimed that tomatoes have anti-clotting agents (good for heart disease) and anti-oxidants (good for preventing cancer). But i haven't heard anything that talks about energy(or maybe it's something else that i'm mistaking for energy?). salaam ps- welcome to the board and thanx for the good info :) pss- i just remembered that i usually eat cheese with my tomatoes so that might have something to with energy boost. |
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| Mohja |
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| mwishka |
| 05/11/02 at 11:55:26 |
| mohja, sorry, i wasn't ignoring your tomato question - the reply function has been random in its willingness to open for me. i've been permitted the pleasure of watching my lovely comets crossing the sky over the netscape N for as long as i want - but, um, after a few times i had to acknowledge that's really not a good use of my time, so i just exit without replying. tomatoes, especially FRESH, dark, deep red-orange ones which are heavy with water, are a great food to eat at any time! a snack i love! (i grew up in florida, with commercial tomato fields everywhere where you could just go pick them by the bushel. i tend to eat them whole like oranges. no - that's like apples, i think, for most people. no, i don't eat orange peel - i peel as i go. kumquats, however - yum - you can eat the peel...) here's what i think about the energy effect you feel: tomatoes aren't vegetables, they're actually berries that have been cultivated over the years to grow really large. (berries aren't like many other fruits, such as apples, pears, etc. - they contain a different combination of nutrients.) you're right about the high bioflavonoid content - see recent studies on blueberries, too. they're also a pretty good source of vitamin C (as are potatoes if you don't peel them). if you're drawn to tomatoes for your first food in the morning, i think what is making your body happy with this choice is a combination of the three things i mentioned above (water, bioflavonoids, vitamin C) plus, a good amount of salt. and if you combine that with cheese, i think you've set yourself up with a pretty nice combination of foods to start your day. this is a breakfast a lot of people would combine with bread.... mwishka |
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