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| Tyson V Lewis - The great Fight 8-June-02 |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/03/02 at 15:07:25 |
| [slm] Our Brother Malik Abdul Aziz (Mike Tyson) is gona be fighting on June 8th against Lennox Lewis, in what is probably gona be the biggest fight most of us will have ever seen. The tickets were all sold out immediatly, and the sales smashed all records. $24million dollars for 19'000 Tickets!! I saw a few picutres of Tyson today, and he looks in brilliant shape. I havent seen him in this kind of condition since before he went to prison. He looks fit, fired up, and ready to go. This fight is gona be exciting, and Inshllah, Mike Tyson will destroy Lennox Lewis. Without doubt its the biggest fight since 1975 when Ali fought Frazier. Its gona be one crazy night, and the entire sporting world, and most of the rest of the world will be tuning in to see this clash of the greatest fighters on the planet, and one of them is a Muslim!!! My predictions are Tyson will knock lennox out inside the first 5 rounds. I simply cannot see Lewis taking Tysons power, or being able to handle his ferocious attacks for long. Its gona be explosive, and exciting, and i cannot wait!!! Its gona be a massive event!! Mike Tyson>:( Vs Lennox Lewis:-* June 8th. Without doubt, the biggest sporting event of our lifetime. |
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| Laila |
| 05/03/02 at 16:04:31 |
| [slm] Hello again ;-) Mujaahid! Nice to see you back. However, if "Iron Mike "hasn't learned to control his temper, he'll lose the fight on technicalities :P! My favorite boxers are ;-) Muhammad Ali, and George Foreman. How about you? [wlm] "OLD" :-) Laila |
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| WhatDFish |
| 05/04/02 at 04:30:45 |
| [slm] Mujaahid, is Mike Tyson still a member of Nation of Islam or is he a Muslim? cos if he's still in NOI then he aint no brother of ours!! i like him as a fighter and thats where it ends. |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/04/02 at 16:38:03 |
| [slm] I was shocked at the ESPN interview and what was said in the local paper out here about Tyson. |
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| AyeshaZ |
| 05/04/02 at 21:06:11 |
| [quote author=bhaloo link=board=bro;num=1020452845;start=0#3 date=05/04/02 at 16:38:03][slm] I was shocked at the ESPN interview and what was said in the local paper out here about Tyson.[/quote] Wasalamu Alykum, umm do you mind elaborating.. :) jazakumAllahu khair |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/04/02 at 21:15:59 |
| [slm] Here is the interview: http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2002/0503/1377497.html WARNING: Its vulgar, they have bleeped out the expletives and he talks very badly about women in the interview. I have seen a few sources quoting this already. |
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| Marcie |
| 05/05/02 at 07:08:31 |
| [color=Teal] [slm] All that I want to know is if boxing is Islamic or not? Somehow I can't imagine allowing someone to smash your face in and ruin your body for money as being Islamic. :P Just curious. ;) [wlm] Marcie :-)[/color] |
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| WhatDFish |
| 05/05/02 at 11:56:08 |
| Praise be to Allaah. The Islamic sharee’ah permits all things that are beneficial to the body and do not harm it, and it forbids all things that may cause damage or harm to the body. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Your body has rights over you.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Sawm, 1839) If sports are free from things which are forbidden in sharee’ah, then practising those sports is beneficial. Boxing is an ancient sport that was practised by the Greeks. Boxing is the worst kind of sport, and probably it does not even deserve to be called a sport, despite the fact that western nations, in particular – where boxing is widespread at a professional level – call it “the noble sport” and a form of self-defence. They forget, or overlook, the fact that the main aim of boxing is to harm one's opponent and throw him to the ground, preferably with the “decisive blow” (or “knock-out”), as they call it, which is the highest level of victory in boxing. “Many voices have been raised in the parliaments of many countries demanding a ban on professional boxing, in view of the harm that has been caused to many boxers. Sweden has succeeded in imposing such a ban, whilst many other nations have failed to do so, despite the many injuries, and even deaths, caused to many professional boxers as a direct result of this violent sport. The fact of the matter is that the deaths of so many boxers is the reason for many voices calling for an end to this sport, or at least the imposition of strict rules to limit its violence.” (From Huna London magazine, issue # 413, March 1983). Dr. Roger Whirty, the spokesman of the British Medical Council in Wales, spoke of the aims of the Council’s campaign against boxing: “We want to show everyone that boxing is an extremely dangerous sport, not only because of the increasing number of fatalities, but also because of the disabilities which affect many more times that number. In order to achieve that, we are trying to put pressure on various official bodies to condemn this sport, and not to consider it to be a sport at all. I reiterate once again that the danger of this sport lies in the harm caused to hundreds of boxers as a result of the disabilities that they suffer. The number of boxers who have died as a result of injuries sustained in boxing between 1945 and 1983 is three hundred and fifty.” (From Huna London magazine, issue # 413, March 1983). The Islamic attitude towards this sport: The principles of Islam are completely opposed to the idea of the ummah accepting this dangerous deviation as a moral or intellectual trend which would permit such violent fights between members of the ummah or of the human race as a whole. Among these principles we may list the following: 1. Harm. We have already mentioned the harm and danger to human life involved in this sport, and the testimony of western specialists who are motivated by their humanitarian feelings to fight and strive to eliminate boxing from the international sporting lexicon. 2. Violating the sanctity of the face. Boxing is based on allowing punches to the face of one's opponent using the maximum force that one possesses. Blows to the face earn more points than blows to any other part of the body. This clearly goes against the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as narrated by Abu Hurayrah: “When any one of you fights, let him avoid (striking) the face.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 5/215). Al-Haafiz said: “This prohibition also includes all those who are struck for the purpose of hadd or ta’zeer punishments or discipline. According to the hadeeth narrated by Abu Bakrah and others, which was recorded by Abu Dawood and others, about the woman who had committed adultery, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded that she should be stoned to death, and said, ‘Stone her, but avoid the face.’ (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4/152). If that is the command in the case of one who is being punished and is going to die anyway, then the rule is even more applicable in cases of lesser severity.” See al-Fath, 5/216 Al-Nawawi said: “The scholars said: it is forbidden to strike the face because it is soft and all of a person's beauty and most of his senses are located there. If the face is hit, there is the fear that all or some of them may be destroyed or disfigured. Any defect in the face is a terrible thing because it is so prominent and obvious, and usually the person who is hit in the face will not be spared some disfigurement.” (al-Fath, 5/216). In al-Fath, he says concerning the specific prohibition narrated in the hadeeth: “Al-Nawawi did not discuss the details of this prohibition. It is clear that it is haraam, and this is supported by the hadeeth of Suwayd ibn Maqran al-Sahaabi, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw a man slap a slave (or a boy) in the face, and he said, “Do you not know that the face is inviolate?” (Muslim, 3/1280. Qadaaya al-Lahw wa’l-Tarfeeh, p. 373 (www.islam-qa.com) |
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| Maliha |
| 05/05/02 at 17:25:50 |
| [slm] I honestly think Boxing is the most barbaric sport that has ever existed!!! Putting two humans in a ring and telling them to beat each other up for the purpose of entertainment? It's inconceivable to me...It reminds me of the other sport where they put two animals in a cage and have them fight!!!!! I mean Allah created us with senses and intelligence yet we resort to bashing eachother's faces and bodies, eliciting anger, debasing eachother, and contorting our bodies for what? Money? fame? While the viewers *pay* to watch this type of animalistic behavior for *entertainment*...There is no nobility in boxing, neither is it self defense, it's simply a relic of the dark ages that still exists in the so called postmodern civilization, and for Muslims to support this form of "sport", it's just mind boggling and detestable in my eyes. Just my thoughts... Maliha :-) [wlm] |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/07/02 at 04:29:41 |
| [slm] <I honestly think Boxing is the most barbaric sport that has ever existed!!! Putting two humans in a ring and telling them to beat each other up for the purpose of entertainment?> Thats why i believe its best if women stick to cross-stitch and wshing the dishes. If you dont like it, dont watch it. Knowing is "putting" two humans in the ring against their will. They go in thier because they choose to, they know all the risks, and prepare the best they can to prevent them. < and for Muslims to support this form of "sport", it's just mind boggling and detestable in my eyes.> Well then dont watch it :-X After all, seeing you are female, i wouldnt expect anything else ;) I find cross stitch to be a barbaric hobby, shaving a poor sheep naked, taking its wool, dying it, turning it into thread, then making cloths out of it, and just to rub it in to the poor sheep, you have to have a little picture of a lamb in the middle of the knitted jumper. THAT is evil. |
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| Maliha |
| 05/07/02 at 07:49:23 |
| [slm] So Mujaahid you don't wear sweaters??? I don't even cross stitch and even if I did, going with your line of thinking, do you eat meat? Then wouldn't that be more "barbaric" than simply shaving a sheep (Knowing it grows right back)... ANywayz, the comparison still makes no sense..and as far as women being classified as cross stitchers and dish washers, I'll give some credit and say I know you know better than that Mr. :P [quote]If you dont like it, dont watch it. Knowing is "putting" two humans in the ring against their will. They go in thier because they choose to, they know all the risks, and prepare the best they can to prevent them.[/quote] Even if they go cuz they choose to, does it mean we have to support them in their madness? There are lotsa people who *choose* to do pretty harmful and stupid things to themselves, if we can't change their behavior we shouldn't stand in the sidelines cheering! I don't watch the sport, don't plan to, and I do hope my brothers and sisters will be discerning and refined enough not to endorse such senselessness! Maliha :-) [wlm] |
| 05/07/02 at 07:50:42 |
| Maliha |
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| Laila |
| 05/07/02 at 10:54:50 |
| I hope Mujy doesn't consign ALL us women to the dishes and cross-stitch! I happen to LOVE a good boxing match. In my opinion it's better than football( sorry guys :D), and at least I don't get hurt watching- I always get stuck every time I try to sew- OUCH :'(. Anyway, Tyson is just a street bully with a score to settle against humanity( so he thinks), and if his past antics in the ring are any indication, which I think they are, he's going to lose the bout. And we won't mention his nasty interview remarks in relationship to his "religiosity" :o. Any rebuttal, Mujy? :-) Laila |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/07/02 at 13:21:54 |
| [slm] "And we won't mention his nasty interview remarks in relationship to his "religiosity" . Any rebuttal, Mujy?" Make excuses for your brother to hide his faults. That goes for ALL muslims on this board as well. |
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| Laila |
| 05/07/02 at 16:40:19 |
| Mujy-- I'm not sure how you meant that last comment about Tyson and making excuses? He has no excuse for talking that way about any woman, Muslim or not, if he was any kind of decent man. That's my opinion. Laila |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/10/02 at 13:49:57 |
| Laila what i meant is hide his fault, or make excuses for your brother. Mike Tyson isnt all thier mentally, his head isnt right, his comments are clearly those of a mentally ill individual. We need to consider that and take that into account when reading some of his comments. Also some of his comments are ghetto street talk. You'll find a lot of fools who hang in gangs talk far worse than that, even muslims. You gota understand him to realise why he says what he says. ;-) |
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| Laila |
| 05/10/02 at 14:20:15 |
| I see part of your point, but I think you may have read him wrong. I don't think he is mentally ill- I think he's one of those men who, after having a rough life, want to take it out on whomever he wishes, as his "due" so -to-speak. I've been around a LONG time, and was part of a prison penpal program and was writing to 22 male prisoners at the same time, and several were of the same opinion as Tyson- nothing was their fault, and they were owed any and every thing they wanted even if it was by force. But then again, he might be really nice in person :o :P (lol) :-) Laila |
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| Road2Jannah |
| 05/14/02 at 10:49:32 |
| [slm] Mashallah ;-) Uthmaan, jazakum allahu kheir for the post you posted. It was just wat i wanted to write.I agree, with sister maliha to not support this, b/c if our scholars don support it, and if the sunnah dosnt support it, then why should we? Subhanallah i read tysons post, and he exposed himself for what he does, or thinks.May Allah guide him, thats all i can say. anyway take care all. |
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| muqaddar |
| 05/16/02 at 10:52:40 |
| [slm] i suggest they find Tyson a REAL good cook before the fight ... ;D |
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