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| struggling |
| 05/06/02 at 21:40:21 |
| [slm] Pak faces threat of civil war in tribal areas uploaded 05 May 2002 Despite having secured about 98 per cent of votes in the April 30 referendum (sic), President Pervez Musharraf is faced with the possibility of a civil war, especially in the tribal areas along the Afghan border, as he has created "a great mess" in this region, according to a Pakistani newspaper report. "It would be wrong if somebody believes that the war in the tribal areas would remain confined to the mountains. This tribal war is going to spread for sure and it may even engulf cities like Islamabad and Lahore what to talk about Quetta and Peshawar where there is already a great tribal influence," The Balochistan Post said in a hard-hitting article. "It is not all. Our miseries will multiply a thousand times when our armed forces would face a split," it said, adding that the Army and Frontier Corps were made up of many tribes "whose villages are going to become a battlefield". Stating that the Indian military build-up on Pakistan's eastern borders could also not be ignored, the report said it would be "unwise" to presume that Army and paramilitary personnel belonging to Mehsud, Yousoufzai, Afridi or Wazir tribes "would continue to obey the orders of the bankrupt Chief of Army Staff and would fight against their own brothers." The newspaper said disobedience by these tribal personnel "would mean a civil war that is easier for the General to start, but it is going to be very difficult for the nation to recover from." Stating that a civil war "seems to be a target of Gen Musharraf", the article said "he has not only created a highly explosive situation in the tribal areas ... but also ripped Karachi of peace by releasing 130 convicted terrorists from the jails with the hope that they would help him in winning the referendum with flying colours". It also charged Musharraf of “implementing another agenda - the agenda to break up Pakistan if Pakistan cannot dissociate itself from Islam - the agenda which is set by the people like (Chief of US Armed Forces) Donald Rumsfeld and (CIA Chief) George J Tenet". The newspaper said, "the earlier the General goes home is better for him and the nation". Terming the referendum results as "fake and exaggerated", Pakistan opposition parties have already demanded Musharraf's resignation for being elected by a "sham vote". Source: The Times of India/The Balochistan Post |
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| Asim |
| 05/06/02 at 23:50:28 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, Hmmm, I won't put much weight on these kinds of reports from this source. It is more sensational than anything else. Wasalaam. |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/07/02 at 13:40:36 |
| [slm] Asim, looking at whats actually going on, i think this report is pretty accurate. Do you really believe those 14 million Jihadi muslims who live in that border area are gona tolerate the US forces looking for the mujaahideen on their own land? Inshallah they will crush the US forces in Pakistan and ALL the munaafiqs who have siding with the kaafirs |
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| humble_muslim |
| 05/07/02 at 17:04:01 |
| [slm] Oh great Mujahhid. Now let's start an Afghanistan in Pakistan. |
| NS |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/08/02 at 09:09:09 |
| Salaam Humble Muslim "Now let's start an Afghanistan in Pakistan" Its already started. US forces are already in pakistan hunting the mujaahideen. The US are also discussing possible airstrikes inside pakistan with the pakistani authorities. The pakistani's better pull themselves together and get the usa out because it looks like a major civil war is about to break out. |
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| muqaddar |
| 05/08/02 at 13:22:37 |
| [quote author=Asim link=board=ummah;num=1020735622;start=0#1 date=05/06/02 at 23:50:28]Assalaamu alaikum, Hmmm, I won't put much weight on these kinds of reports from this source. It is more sensational than anything else. Wasalaam.[/quote] I think you underestimate the hatred and loathing pathans have come to have for musharaf (even his family hates the man and i know some of them) the pakistani army is being seen increasingly as an army of punjabi occupation. Musaharaf has succeeded in creating a religious and nationalist opposition to himself in subah sarhad and you should know that wars of religious nationalism are the cruelest. Pakistan is going to end up being like Cambodia during the American occupation of Vietnam. An undeclared war by america against the pakistani population killing more pakistani's than afghans. Whats the indians said about musharaf was spot on, tactically he's very good , strategically he's incompetant. |
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| mujaahid |
| 05/08/02 at 13:29:09 |
| Salaam Just to add to what Muqaddar said 7'000 Pathan Solderis were moved from the afghan border and replaced with 5'000 munaafiqs. The reason for this was that America Kha Chumchaa Musharraf knew the Pathans would help the mujaahideen against the Americans, and since musharrafs main aim is to bow down to, and please the americans, he was not gona let any of his forces raise a finger against his Master Uncvle Sam. But now inshallah the Pakistani people will take matters into thier own hands and laucnh a Jihad agianst the US forces killing thier muslim brothers in Afghnanistan, and rid the country of the Cancer of Musharraf once and for all. Make Musharraf an example to all muslim munaafiq rulers who want to side with the kaafirs aginast the mujaahideen. [color=red]Edited by moderator[/color] |
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| 05/10/02 at 19:47:12 |
| Kashif |
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| muqaddar |
| 05/08/02 at 14:12:16 |
| [slm] hmm i think american regime knows musharafs days are numbered , which is why they will have somebody else to take over just in case eg ..the yahoodi supported imran 'khan' the latest news is musharaf is now allowing american soldiers to desecrate the graves of pathans buried in pakistan who's bodies are being tested to see if they are al-qaeda! |
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| struggling |
| 05/09/02 at 00:34:39 |
| Salam!!! Mujaahid says: "[color=red]--snip--[/color]" Bro, you should take care in judging any one.... like you cannot blame Turks for what Kemal Ataturk has done. This is the stereotyping that we should not encourage as we Muslims are the victims of it ourselves. This is the whole basis of ethnic profiling that is currently going on. For the record, Musharraf is not a Panjabi. He is an Urdu-speaking guy originally hailing from New Delhi, India. wassalam [color=red]Edited by moderator[/color] |
| NS |
| 05/10/02 at 19:48:24 |
| Kashif |
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| muqaddar |
| 05/09/02 at 09:10:06 |
| [slm] hmm thats strange why are most of his supporters punjabi's then? btw the prophet said in several authentic hadiths that the hour would not come until the muslims fought the people with faces like shields and sheikh taymiyyah identified these people as turks now unless your arguing that people fighting for the turkish state who die will be matyrs then maybe you should reconsider your statement. incidentally i didn't see too many turks fighting against the denme himself (why do you call him attaturk since he wasn't turkish? would you like a paedophile to be called the father of your nation like he was?) |
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| tq |
| 05/09/02 at 12:33:31 |
| Assalamo elikuim " hmm thats strange why are most of his supporters punjabi's then? " As far as I know most of the people from Punjab are not among his supporters. Wasalam |
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| Kashif |
| 05/10/02 at 19:49:59 |
| [quote author=muqaddar link=board=ummah;num=1020735622;start=0#9 date=05/09/02 at 09:10:06] [slm] btw the prophet said in several authentic hadiths that the hour would not come until the muslims fought the people with faces like shields and sheikh taymiyyah identified these people as turks[/quote] assalaamu alaikum Interesting. Can we have a reference for this please? Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
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| Kashif |
| 05/10/02 at 20:01:34 |
| [color=red] assalaamu alaikum This is the worst thread i've had to monitor in the UCC. I might have expected that there would be heated arguments of a political nature in this forum, but i didn't imagine that i'd have to delete posts of people arguing over ethnic lines. "Inna akramakum `indallahi atqaakum" Verily the most honourable of you with Allah is the most God-fearing of you. Islam's breaking down of national and ethnical barriers between Muslims is something so well known that i don't need to describe it. If you feel someone has spoken out of turn, in this forum, or any other, please contact the moderator of the forum or write to the Admins: jannah, bhaloo and se7en, and the matter will be dealt with promptly, insha'allah. This thread is now closed. Kashif Wa Salaam [/color] |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/10/02 at 20:49:14 |
| [slm] I just wanted to respond to Kashif's request, and then the thread will be closed. Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.179 Narrated byAbu Huraira Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair." ;---------------- Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.787 Narrated byAbu Huraira The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields. And you will find that the best people are those who hate responsibility of ruling most of all till they are chosen to be the rulers. And the people are of different natures: The best in the pre-Islamic period are the best in Islam. A time will come when any of you will love to see me rather than to have his family and property doubled." ;======== I'm not sure what commentary Sheikh ul Islam Ibn Tamaiyyah said regarding the Turks, I do know that Ibn Kathir's signs of the Day of Judgment do make mention of the Turks, and as we can see it is mentioned in Sahih hadiths. |
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| Kashif |
| 05/12/02 at 05:32:40 |
| assalaamu alaikum I asked a friend about the hadith that Arshad posted above and his reponse was: ----------------------------------------------- By Turks, the Prophet (Sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) is referring to the Turkic race and *NOT* "Turks" in Turkey as most of them are not even Turks by race. This is a very common misconception that has caused problems in the translation of Bukhari. Had they put "Turkic peoples" or "Mongols" it would have been at least more accurate. According to most the scholars this refers to two incidents: 1) The Mongol destruction of the Muslim world in the early 13th century. The Prophet (Sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) also said, "Leave the Turkic peoples alone as long as they leave you alone". This advice was not heeded and the Muslims themselves basically "picked a fight" with Tumejin (Genghis Khan), not knowing what they were getting the entire Ummah into (what else is new??). 2) Dajjaal will be followed by a group of Turkic peoples whose faces will be flat and skin will be red. They will come from the lands North of Iran. Allaah knows best what this refers to and I won't make too much ta'weel on it as it is a prophecy of something yet to come, a`uthu billaah. Others say this refers to the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj tribes who will come after Dajjaal has been defeated and whom even `Eesaa (`alayhis-salaam) will not be able to kill. To properly understand these aHadeeth, a basic understanding of Turkic ethnology must be had. There are many races in the world who were descended from the Turkic races whose origin is North of the Great Wall of China. Among these are the modern day "Turks" of Turkey, the Turkic peoples of Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, etc), but not least, the ISRAELIS who are descended from the Khazars, a fierce Jewish Turkic tribe of the 10th century who settled in Eastern Europe. There is also evidence of races descended from "Turks" in remote areas north of China and Russia who are as of yet all but unknown. Other possible candidates are the Native Americans, Eskimos and other glacier natives, even the Southern Russians and Koreans to some extent. So trying to say what the aHadeeth regarding the future are about is a complicated matter that we have to be very careful with. |
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