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| Anonymous |
| 04/01/02 at 00:01:02 |
| Salaam alaikum I have been meaning to ask these questions for a while now, but haven't had the time, inshaAllah you will be able to help answer some of them? ok, they have to do with praying together: 1) Women can pray together, and the one who leads the Salaah stands in the middle of the row, right? does someone recite the iqaamah before starting? and does she recite all the parts of the Quraan, like an Imaam would do, or just say "Allahu akbar" etc? 2) If it is only 2 women praying together, where do they stand in relation to one another? 3) Can a girl pray alone with a non-mahram man as her Imaam? Does the answer change when I say can she pray with 2 or more strange men? Jazakumullah khairun for your answers. Salaam alaikum |
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| jannah |
| 04/01/02 at 00:54:06 |
| [slm] There may be a thread about sisters praying together elsewhere if any sherlock holmes is willing to find it.... 1. Women can pray together.. (Hanafis don't however). It's pretty much the same as a male Imam except the sister does stand in the middle of the front row instead of all the way in front. You can have athan even, iqama and the prayer.. recited out loud or silent depending on which prayer just like usual. 2. Next to each other ;) one can do iqama and one can lead 3. I haven't heard anything about this.. it's probably good to ask a shaikh inshaAllah.. take care! |
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| WhatDFish |
| 04/01/02 at 01:58:26 |
| [slm] im no 'sheikh' but from what i know a woman cannot pray alone with a non mahram. inshaa'Allah ill try search for a daleel for such a situation. |
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| Anonymous |
| 04/02/02 at 01:53:52 |
| Some one has asked me a similar question like this and this was the result of my lil' research. The ruling on women leading the salat The scholars of fiqh are unanimous that a woman cannot lead other men in salat. However they differ as to whether or not it is permissable for her to lead other women in salat. Imam Abu Hanifah, imam As-Shaafiee and imam Ahmad all, said that it is permissible for her to lead other women in salat. Abu Thawr At Tabari took very strange opinion that claims that a woman can lead salat unconditionally - for both men and women. The details from madhaahib for this issue are as follows: The Hanafi madhab: It is permissible for a woman to lead other women in salat, but she should be in the middle as the imam for the salat. This is based the narration of A'ishah that she used to lead the women in asr salat and she used to stand in the middleof the line. (Bidayatal' mujtahid vol.1, pg.145) The Shaafi'ee madhab: The Shaafiyyah are of the opinion that it is mustahab (highly recommended) for a woman to lead other women in salat. Imam Al Ghazali said, "Every congregational salat that is mustahab for men to pray in congregation, then it it is also mustahab for women to do so, optional prayers (nafilah) or obligatory", and he used as a proof the hadeeth of umm Waraqah that the rasulallah (saw) used to say: "lets go visit the shaheedah(marty)" (Saheeh Abu Dawud). And he (saw) permitted her to call the adhan, lead the people of her house for the five salat and she had memorised the quran. (Asad Al Gaabah. vol.7, pg. 2408) The maaliki madhab: The malikiyyah have stipulate two conditions before a person can lead the salat: 1. Islam, i.e. he/she cannot be a kaafir. 2. That person must be a male. And since a women cannot fulfill both thse two conditions, salat behind her is considered immpermissible.( As sharh As sagheer. vol.1, pg.433) The Hanbali madhab: They are also of the opinion that it is mustahab for a woman to lead other women in salat, using as a proof the hadeeth of umm Waraqah (mentioned previously).(Al Mughni vol. 7 pg.35) Summary The majority of the scholars view it as mustahab for a woman to lead other women in salat and this is the stronger opinion of the two as based on the evidences reported on this issue. Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al Fawzan also said that it is better for them to pray together (rather than individually) because this is a way of increasing khushoo and it brings the hearts closer. Where the woman stands when leading other women in jammah Whenever a woman leads other women in salat she stands in the middle of the row, aligned with the other women (not slightly prutuding as some may do). The evediences for this are many: from amongst them the hadeeth that has been narrated in the Mussanaf of ibn Abi Shaybah and Bayhaqi with authenic chain (isnad saheeh) from umm Al Hasan that she saw umm Salamah wife of the prophet (saw) lead the women in salat and she stood in the middle of them. Al Bayhaqi narrated from the hadeeth of A'ishah that: "She used to call the adhan, iqamah and lead the women and she used to be in the middle of them" ( Al Bayhaqi, Ad Darqutuni and Abdul Razzaq, imam Nawawi in "Al majmu'a" said that this isnad is saheeh) The ruling on women calling the adhan and iqamah The adhan and the iqamah is not obligatory upon women and this is the opinion of Anas ibn Malik, Saeed ibn Musayyab, Abu Thawr and imam Maalik. Ibn Qudaamah said in the Mughni "And I am not aware of any differences of opinion about this". However do we say that is it the sunnah for them to make the adhan and the iqamah? It has been narrated from imam Ahmad that he said: " There is no problem if they call the adhan and the iqamah and if they leave it off there is no blame on them". Imam As Shaafi said: "If they make adhan and the iqamah, then there is no problem in that". The hadeeth of Aishah mentioned before that "she used to make the adhan and the iqamah" (Al Bahaqi) also supports this opinion. N.B. One thing I would like to draw you all attention to is that one may find in some books of hadeeth or fiqh (like Fiqh As Sunnah by Saeed Sabiq rahimuallah), a narration from ibn Umar that: "There is no adhan or iqamah for women". However, Shaikh Al Albani pointed out in his book ( which is an authentification of the ahadeeth in Fiqh As Sunnah) pg.153, that this Ibn Umar is not Abdullah Ibn umar Al Khattab but rather Abdullah Ibn umar ibn Naafi' al umari al mukkabir who is condidered as daif (weak), therefore the hadeeth is weak. Furthermore, this hadeeth contradicts an authenthic narration by Abdur Razzaq in his Al musannaf (vol.1 pg.223) whereby Ibn Umar himself states when he was asked: "should women make the adhan"? He became angry and said: " Who am I to prevent them from the rememberance of Allah?" Imam Ahmad used this as a proof for the permissiblity of women making the adhan. Finally, Shaikh Al Albani concluded by his comment on this hadeeth by saying: "In general, these narrations are okay to work by, espcially since they are strenghted by the hadeeth "innmaa an nisa' shaqaa'iq ar rijal - indeed women are the co-partners of men". And the meaning of this hadeeth comes under one of general rules of fiqh: "Whatever rulings applies to men also applies to women except if there is a dalel to prove otherwise". wallahu' a'lam Taken from "Ahkaam ibadat'il mara' fee shareeyyatu'l islamiyyah". The rulings regarding womens prayer in Islam by Dr. Sua'd Ibraheeem. And "Tamam Am Minnah" by As shaikh Nasirudeen Al Albani. assing. |
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| eleanor |
| 04/02/02 at 16:04:09 |
| [slm] Hey :) Bro.Assing :) Where are you man? Haven't you registered? wasalaam eleanor :-* |
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| Anonymous |
| 05/16/02 at 03:40:44 |
| [slm] What is the ruling on a woman giving the Iqamah for a group of women or herself? Islam Q&A has 2 answers: 1) If a woman says the iqaamah for herself or for a group of women, that is better and is closer to what is mustahabb, but if she does not do that, the prayer is still valid. [url]http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=14247&dgn=3[/url] 2) That is not obligatory for them and it is not prescribed for them, according to the correct scholarly view, because that was not required of women at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so women did not do that at that time or at the time of the Rightly-Guided khaleefahs (may Allaah be pleased with them). And Allaah is the Source of strength. [url]http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26332&dgn=3[/url] Can someone clarify the confusion? [slm] |
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| jannah |
| 05/16/02 at 03:43:38 |
| [wlm] maybe you should email them... i really get uncomfortable when the board becomes a fiqh Q&A. |
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