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mwishka
05/21/02 at 14:32:08
what if everyone who writes here in languages other than english....translates alongside???  

or am i the only one who's missing half of what's going on?   :'(


i'll get rid of my russian - even my name - if i'm setting a bad example...... ;)

mwishka
Re: what if.........
M.F.
05/22/02 at 06:55:26
I think you might be missing half the conversation because a lot of it is Arabic phrases like Insha Allah (God willing), al Hamdu lillah (Thanks or praises to God), Subhan Allah (Glory to God), Ma sha Allah (which is to express admiration and literally means what Allah has willed) etc.
There's also a few people who write in Urdu or some other Indian language and I can't understand it either.
[saw]  or (S):   Blesssings and Peace of Allah upon him (meaning Muhammad)

[slm] Assalamu alaikum, Peace be upon you
[wlm] wa Alaikum assalam, and upon you be Peace

And if anything else comes up that you don't understand ask :)  
Re: what if.........
Shahida
05/22/02 at 07:27:56
Mwishka...

hehe, you know, I feel lost sometimes too!  Not with the Arabic stuff, but the Urdu is TOTALLY over my head! :-[   ??? :'(

JazakiAllahu khairun Mariam for posting the English translation to our common Arabic phrases...its good for Mwishka especially cuz she's gonna be hearing all these things ALL the time in Palestine, InshaAllah(God Willing...see am getting better huh? ;) )

If there's anything else, and provided it's *not* Urdu, then just ask me ok sis?

Re: what if.........
se7en
05/22/02 at 08:44:46
Also, in the [url=http://www.jannah.org/board/help/index.html]Help[/url], towards the bottom, there is a list of definition of Frequently Used Phrases.
05/22/02 at 08:45:15
se7en
Re: what if.........
mwishka
05/22/02 at 21:02:52
um, thanks for the suggestions (and the translations), but i recognize all of those phrases.  (not that i would pronounce them correctly, mind you..)   and i do use the help glossary for things sometimes.  it's the urdu, and some sneaky bits of arabic, mostly posted recently, that have had me stumped (and frustrated).  i have a transliterated arabic dictionary, but it's done me little good here....

mwishka

 
Re: what if.........
Maliha
05/22/02 at 21:41:37
[slm]
Don't worry Mwiksha jus' chime in any time and ask if you have a question....:)
I get caught by the Urdu all the time, but I jus' try to read the context and sometimes it still goes over me head ::)

Anywayz, feel free to ask...

Maliha :-)
[wlm]
Re: what if.........
Abu_Hamza
05/23/02 at 22:11:51
[slm]

I really think Urdu should be banned on this board!

:o

No, really!

Who's with me?

P.S. Yes, yes.  You guessed it.  I can't stand all y'all messin' up the beautiful language with your ridiculous attempts at speaking it.   ::)

P.P.S.  Yes, I'm talking to you bhaloo!! :P
05/23/02 at 22:12:16
Abu_Hamza
TRANSLATION, PLEASE...
mwishka
06/26/02 at 21:10:44

ok, two more posts needing translation:


sis,
                                                               
                                                              can you explain this to me:
                                                               
                                                              Bearing in mind that that Imam does not take kindly to talking to "ghair mahram women"?
                                                               
                                                               
                                                              is this just women unaccompanied by mahram, or is it women who just don't have them?
                                                               
                                                              i hope this only means some sense of propriety, and not that the imam, as a personal preference, doesn't want to advise women!
                                                               
                                                              i'm kind of hoping it means unaccompanied by them, because if it means the latter, that doesn't bode well for the huge numbers of women who choose islam who therefore have no mahram to aid them in their lives.  i know you said this is in a muslim country, but it raised concerns to me about the way imams can choose or not choose to interact with the women in their communities.

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And there would be a facilitator present to help singles find out more about someone
whom they are interested in and arrange a meeting, where they can have a
proper taaruf session.
                                                               
                                                               
                                                              sis barr, what's this?
                                                               
                                                              (very) ignorant mwishka (as usual)
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zomorrud
06/26/02 at 21:28:15
[color=Teal]ghair mahram women = women who are not mahram

mahram = person from the opposite gender who one cannot marry due to immediate blood relationship or through marriage , or the person who one is married to already

lemme explain. a woman wearing hijab can show her hair to her mahrem male relatives (father, brother, uncle, grandfather, nephew, grandson, step-son, father-in-law AND her husband (of course)

taaruf = arabic for [i]gain of acquaintence or to know about[/i]. the term can be transliterated as ta3aruf with '3' used to designate the 'ain' arabic letter.  

root word is '3araf' with means to know abou.[/color]
06/26/02 at 21:30:51
zomorrud
Re: what if.........
mwishka
06/27/02 at 23:05:24
sis zomorrud,

thanks!

now i've been filled in on the mahram/imam conflict in that discussion, (well, sort of), but could you possibly tell me in practical terms what a "proper taaruf session" means?

mwishka
Re: what if.........
Barr
06/28/02 at 01:21:53
Dear mwishka :)


[quote]could you possibly tell me in practical terms what a "proper taaruf session" means? [/quote]

Hmmm.. I guess that can be quite subjective.. depends on what a person perceives as "proper".

Introducing oneself at the bebzi stand is also ta'aruf, spending sometime talking at lunch is also taaruf.. in fact taaruf is actually a lifelong process if you want to get to know each other.

but I think in this case, which is about ta'aruf in view of marriage, and the one that I was referring to in the thread at Akahwat... would be ... to conduct a taaruf session such that a person would be able to know the person further for marriage.

Personally, I would consider a proper taaruf session to be a session where a person(s) is together with you and the brother, when you ask the brother questions and get to know him seriously (vice versa) in view of marriage.

And personally too, I don't consider the internet as the ideal  platform for taaruf, particularly, the major taaruf session. ( r U going to ask me what a major taaruf session is? ;))

Hmmm, I hope I'm not giving a lopsided view of what a "proper taaruf session" entails. It really depends on the person.

Coz, even going to the person's parents house, is taaruf too... sending e-mails to know what he thinks like is taaruf too. Going out and observing his behaviour is taaruf too - it's all about getting to know the person further.

There are some avenues, which others may find proper and I don't, and vice versa... as you may have already noticed, there are different levels of
strictness and leniency thresholds for each and everyone of us.

So I guess  a "proper taaruf session" is just a session that fulfils the adab of Islam where one is able to get to know someone in view of marriage.

I hope I have not caused more confusions! :)
Allahua'lam


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