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| mujaahid |
| 05/25/02 at 12:00:37 |
| Pakistan army has higher quality: UK experts uploaded 25 May 2002 LONDON, May 22: As the crisis over Kashmir deepens, British military experts say that while India's armed forces would enjoy a numerical superiority if a war broke out, Pakistan's army is of higher quality. Comments by Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee on Wednesday that "the time has come for a decisive fight" further fuelled fears of an all-out war. In any long-lasting conflict, India would have the advantage of a stronger economy and a population of over one billion compared to Pakistan's 142 million. It would thus be able to mobilize more soldiers. But if a conflict was of short duration, these assets would not necessarily enter into the equation, according to William Hopkinson, of the London-based Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA). "The quality of some of the Pakistani troops is probably better on average than that of the Indians," he said. "If the worst happens and a war starts, the pressures from all sides to stop it soon would be obviously enormous, so India's theoretical long-term advantage might not come into play." According to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies, India has 1,303,000 people in its armed forces, plus 535,000 reservists. Pakistan has about 612,000 troops and 513,000 reservists. India is believed to have about 60 nuclear warheads and Pakistan has 25, Britain's Times reported. According to British government sources quoted by the paper on Wednesday, the Pakistanis are considered better troops, and could beat off an initial Indian offensive. But the Indians could then use their superiority in conventional forces to overwhelm the Pakistanis. In one doomsday scenario which, according to The Times, has been considered by British ministers, Islamabad could then use its weapon of last resort: a nuclear device. India would survive the strike and hit back with its own atomic weapons, according to the scenario. The use of nuclear weapons in a war for the first time since the Americans dropped such bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, is a threat that experts are not dismissing. "Yes, it is possible," said Hopkinson. "There could certainly be a risk if one side is going down in conventional struggle to use a nuclear weapon. "Whether their doctrine would be to use it tactically or to make a strike at the enemy's capital, I don't know. "I would have thought that the likelihood would be a tactical use but again, it depends where the forces are... you don't want to use something (like that) on your own territory unless you can't avoid it." Hopkinson added: "If Pakistan is faced with defeat but the defeat were happening on its own territory or its part of Kashmir, it might well strike for something a bit further back ... it could be forces massed behind the first echelon." Source: AFP |
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| Kashif |
| 05/25/02 at 19:14:42 |
| assalaamu alaikum Aside from the quality or quantity of weapon/armies that both sides have, from a Muslim point of view, the critical issue is the taqwa of the Muslim side. Victory for the Muslims comes from Allah, and Help from Allah comes from having taqwa of Him. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| muqaddar |
| 05/29/02 at 11:29:38 |
| [quote author=Kashif link=board=ummah;num=1022342437;start=0#1 date=05/25/02 at 19:14:42]assalaamu alaikum Aside from the quality or quantity of weapon/armies that both sides have, from a Muslim point of view, the critical issue is the taqwa of the Muslim side. Victory for the Muslims comes from Allah, and Help from Allah comes from having taqwa of Him. Kashif Wa Salaam[/quote] [slm] Exactly! Since there is no islamic leadership in pakistan, no sharia and it is occupied ....we must ask is there any taqwa in the pakistani army?! |
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| struggling |
| 06/02/02 at 07:15:01 |
| [slm] Army believes Kashmir freedom is near uploaded 29 May 2002 India seeks face-saving for resolution of crisis KARACHI: Pakistani military leadership under President General Musharraf is "absolutely confident" that the freedom struggle in Kashmir has entered a crucial phase where an Indian military adventurism along the Line of Control or the working boundary would trap the Indian army in a Vietnam or Afghanistan-like situation and hasten the freedom process for the Kashmiri Muslims. Interviews with officials, familiar with the current thinking at the General Headquarters (GHQ), revealed the government of Pakistan has also determined that the recent international efforts for mediation, particularly from Russia, represent an implicit Indian desire to extricate itself from an untenable diplomatic and military posture. "In such a situation when the much awaited phase of international diplomacy is just beginning, how can we give India a head start," says a senior official, explaining the logic behind General Musharraf's hard-line address to the nation on Monday. "Actual concessions to India can only be part of give and take during bilateral negotiations." Relevant Pakistani officials believe that the robust military preparedness by the Pakistani Army, Navy, Air Force -- all three forces now equipped with tactical nuclear weapons -- and an expected "impetus" to anti-military guerrilla activities by the freedom fighters may turn the Indians' dream for a decisive war in Kashmir into a nightmare for the Indian military. This military perception, enunciated very recently by the Military Operations Directorate, Commander Corps 10, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and other relevant military formations, contributed to the General Musharraf's address to the nation during which he resolutely refused to give further concessions to the Indian military on Monday. General Musharraf, a veteran of 1965 and 1971 wars with India, is also considered to be one of the most important architects of the military's Kashmir strategy. The general had gained a rare insight into India's military capabilities, while serving as Pakistan Army's Director-General Military Operations (DGMO) in the early 1990s. A military source said: "Operational plans on Kashmir made under Musharraf at the MO (Military Operations Directorate) still form the core of the current strategy of the Pakistan Army in Kashmir." He added: "As far as the military strategy and planning is concerned, Gen Musharraf is far ahead than the ageing Indian prime minister." Last week, General Musharraf and the top brass of Pakistani military establishment decided to stand firm on Kashmir policy after unanimously agreeing that the recent military posturing by India may ultimately push the Indian military into an even deeper strategic quagmire in Kashmir. "Which army of the world can wage war when it is being attacked by its own people from right, left, front and the back," asked a senior Pakistani military source. "Once the hostilities break out, can anyone perceive any other scenario for the Indian army in Kashmir." To meet the likely military scenario in Kashmir, one of the most important military moves made recently by the GHQ was to deploy a major chunk of Pakistani Special Services Groups (SSG) commandos all along the Line of Control for penetration -- in case of Indian military strike -- into held Kashmir, where friendly population and battle-hardened Kashmiri guerrillas are desperate to embrace them for a decisive military push, leading to complete liberation. Sources close to two banned Jihadi groups have, meanwhile, disclosed in separate interviews in Karachi that they were "not bothered" by the recent decision of the military government to take new measures to block the traffic of freedom fighters from Pakistan into held Kashmir. Responding to suggestions from the US government, the Pakistani military leaders had decided last week to introduce new security measures to stop the movement of Kashmiri militants from Azad Kashmir to held Kashmir. "Three layers of security positions manned round the clock by the heavily armed Indian troops can't stop us from reaching destinations well inside Kashmir Valley," vowed a Jihadi, who gave his name as Abu Hamza. "How can Pakistani troops do something that 12 divisions of Indian army so grossly failed to achieve," he adds. Other Jihadi sources said that because of favourable weather condition hundreds of fresh militants had entered Kashmir in April and in the first three weeks of the current month, until a few days before the military government announced fresh measures to stop infiltration into held Kashmir. Local Jihadi sources have revealed that in the past few weeks they received numerous calls for help from various Muslim groups in Indian state of Gujarat and Maharashtra, where thousands of Muslims were killed and their properties were destroyed in the worst anti-Muslim riots that had erupted in March this year. "In the wake of a war with Pakistan, Indian Muslims would give the biggest surprise to Indian security forces all over mainland India," Abu Hamza remarked. President Musharraf's Monday's speech in general and his remarks about attacks on Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and scheduled caste by "extremist Hindu terrorists" appear to have won him a rare appreciation from the Pakistani militant religious quarters. "The freedom struggle in Kashmir has primed to a point where the final push for liberation seems to be the logical next phase," says (retd) Colonel Salman Ahmed, one of the most reputed special forces officer of the Pakistan Army. "Neither can we nor the Indian army forget what happened in the former East Pakistan, where the Indian army has timed its military intervention with the full bloom insurgency," says Col Salman, who thought that the Indian leadership would commit a Himalayan blunder by igniting a military confrontation in Kashmir. "Kashmir is going to repeat the scenes of insurgency and the final acts of a liberation struggle seen in the last days of former East Pakistan, but now the key actors have changed sides," declared Col Salman. Pakistan military sources also draw some comfort from the fact that an unprecedented concentration of Indian military resources in Kashmir has stripped India of numerical superiority of its troops deployed along the international borders. "For a conventional military ground offensive, a numerical superiority of 3:1 is usually desired but because of heavy concentration in Kashmir, Indian military can hardly maintain that kind of numerical strength along the international borders," says an official source. For its part, Pakistani official sources said, a favourable situation on ground in Kashmir allows complete strategic manoeuvrability for the strike corps of the Pakistan Army positioned at Mangla and Multan. Informed sources said that to meet ad, don't say you weren't warned of this "odd" curiousity. And mwishka, don't be fooled: Bhaloo=teddy bear. Reech=bear (in Urdu). |
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