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| Zara |
| 05/27/02 at 14:38:28 |
| [slm] For all you literary enthusiasts. I will write something and can y'all have a go at explaining what it means. If coco-pops weren't chocolatey you would still eat them and say they were nice, but it wouldn't be the same would it? [wlm] :-) |
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| BrKhalid |
| 05/28/02 at 07:21:25 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]If coco-pops weren't chocolatey you would still eat them and say they were nice, but it wouldn't be the same would it? [/quote] 8br>Errmm….okay let me have a go at this….. Coco-pops represents Prayer Chocolate represents full concentration in prayer Hence if you pray without fully concentrating, it's not as good as praying with full concentration Am I right or am I right Sr Zara? ;-) |
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| Zara |
| 05/28/02 at 09:39:20 |
| [quote author=BrKhalid link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#1 date=05/28/02 at 07:21:25]Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Errmm….okay let me have a go at this….. Coco-pops represents Prayer Chocolate represents full concentration in prayer Hence if you pray without fully concentrating, it's not as good as praying with full concentration Am I right or am I right Sr Zara? ;-) [/quote] Masha'allah :-) you have certainly got the jist of the metaphor. I would be interested to get more input and see a whole array of interpretations. [wlm] :-) |
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| Kathy |
| 05/28/02 at 09:45:30 |
| [quote author=Zara link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#0 date=05/27/02 at 14:38:28] If coco-pops weren't chocolatey you would still eat them and say they were nice, but it wouldn't be the same would it?[/quote] I have a 7 year old- my fried mind is only thinking of cereal..... no, they would be corn pops.... |
| 05/28/02 at 09:46:49 |
| Kathy |
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| BrKhalid |
| 05/28/02 at 09:50:53 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Darn and I thought I'd cracked it ;-) Okay how about this…… Coco pops without chocolate are effectively........ Rice Krispies….. So instead of getting a smooth tasting eating experience you would get more of a snap, crackle and pop. Hence in a way the chocolate can represent the icing on the cake and be equated with Imaan [Faith] With chocolate you taste the sweetness of Imaan and your life runs smooth but without its plain and subject to more fluctuations [ie snap,crackle and pop] Oh come on I must be right this time? ;) |
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| BroHanif |
| 05/28/02 at 19:10:40 |
| [slm], Well this is my brief attempt....coco pops represent the dunya with all its glitter and might and show.. when we taste the dunya we want more and more and more, just like prophet [saw] said to the nearest meaning that if a person was given a valley/jungle full of gold then he'd want another one. In a similiar way when the dunya is removed i.e. the chocolate, man can still do without it and and can take from the dunya(world) and make shukar from it but it just wouldn't be the same, maybe life would be better with less rather than with more ???. Oh well.. thats my feeble attempt... Salaams Hanif |
| 05/28/02 at 19:11:48 |
| BroHanif |
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| mwishka |
| 05/28/02 at 19:30:57 |
| hmmm.....i'm not sure i'm a literary type and i do love to explain things, but, um, i have questions ......??? i thought at first you meant cocoapuffs, until i read the part about rice krispies, so....i do know what these are, but.....if they weren't chocolatey, WOULD we still eat them?? and WOULD they still be nice?? they would definitely not be the same, though....... ;) :) mwishka |
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| Dawn |
| 05/29/02 at 05:57:46 |
| If I may offer a contrary scenario, coming from one who is NOT a big fan of chocolate (I know, I am a rare breed), I would consider eating cocopuffs without the chocolate whereas I would avoid them with it. Can that fit in to any of the metaphores ??? |
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| Zara |
| 05/29/02 at 09:35:57 |
| [slm] Jazahkallah Khairun - you have really made me smile, well done. ;D to clarify a little.... Coco pops is essentially a cereal that is quite popular in Britain. Yes it is chocolatey and without the chocolate it would take the name of Rice crispies. The main message being that when one loves something and a underlying quality is taken from it then you may still like it but the original love is extinguished to some extent. I shall refrain from telling you the answer until a bit later. However the spirit that the metaphor was initialy composed was connected to dunya moreso than deen. :P [wlm] :-) ps I helped compose the metaphor although I am not the sole person who can take all the credit. |
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| A_Stranger |
| 05/29/02 at 13:10:30 |
| [slm] lol, mashaAllah.. lemme try.. coco-pops would be the dunya innit? and the chocolate ON the coco-pops would be hardship/struggle. So, if coco-pops weren't chocolatey you'd still eat 'em and say they were 'nice', but it wouldn't be the same. Hmm..if this dunya didn't have any hardships/struggles/pain ..whatever.. you'd still live and say you're happy with life, but without struggle, life wouldn't be the same. Hehe, I bet that answer there is soo wrong! :D This is interesting..nice idea sr zara ;D Peace |
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| Zara |
| 05/30/02 at 09:18:07 |
| [quote author=A_Stranger link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#9 date=05/29/02 at 13:10:30] [slm] lol, mashaAllah.. lemme try.. coco-pops would be the dunya innit? and the chocolate ON the coco-pops would be hardship/struggle. So, if coco-pops weren't chocolatey you'd still eat 'em and say they were 'nice', but it wouldn't be the same. Hmm..if this dunya didn't have any hardships/struggles/pain ..whatever.. you'd still live and say you're happy with life, but without struggle, life wouldn't be the same. Hehe, I bet that answer there is soo wrong! :D This is interesting..nice idea sr zara ;D Peace [/quote] hehe, it's surprising that you all understand what the metaphor means to a certain extent. now the real meaning seems rather futile because your definitions are much more illiminating than the original. alas one can't win in the war of words. anymore tries before I put the answer up on friday? [wlm] :-) |
| 05/30/02 at 09:20:27 |
| Zara |
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| Zara |
| 06/05/02 at 09:10:50 |
| [quote author=Zara link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#0 date=05/27/02 at 14:38:28] [slm] For all you literary enthusiasts. I will write something and can y'all have a go at explaining what it means. If coco-pops weren't chocolatey you would still eat them and say they were nice, but it wouldn't be the same would it? [wlm] :-) [/quote] Don't be too disappointed with the real meaning.... here goes, A discussion was taking place about whether one would favour someone even if the persons beauty was diminished. The reply was the metaphor which means that physical beauty can be the underlying factor which causes you to favour someone and if that quality were to decrease then so would your regard for them. In a sense favouring a person for their looks is a fake appreciation of their character and I would say that is not real friendship. I understand that we are more inclined towards beauty but I value a person with good character moreso... anyways thats all [i]colourless green ideas sleep furiously ???[/i] [wlm] |
| 06/05/02 at 10:30:08 |
| Zara |
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| mwishka |
| 06/05/02 at 10:40:03 |
| sis zara, i don't mean to mess with your metaphor, but i do want to say something about it, since this topic comes up here so many times in so many discussions. i think we'd pretty much all agree that a person's character is their most important attribute - and by character, i'm including the level of their piety. BUT, i'm going to take a little risk here and address this question of being attracted to someone's looks. just because the first thing you notice about someone you meet in person is that their physical appearance appeals to your personal sense of aesthetics, that is not in and of itself a bad thing. i think it's being both too hard on ourselves and being unfair to our mere human reality to try to convince ourselves otherwise. AND i think there's no correlation between being attracted to someone's physical appearance and losing your connection to them if their "looks diminish" for whatever reason. provided, that is, of course, that you did actually HAVE a deeper level of connection to them. so, in essence, i'd say "don't count on it!" anyone who loses interest in a person if ONLY their looks change didn't have a real connection to that person, so i'd say the metaphor only applies to superficial interactions like those we have with our cereal. :D (and, oh wow, actually our connection with our cereal is pretty intimate, since it's taken in by us, destroyed for our benefit, and re-made in a new form to continue on as a part of us...... wow. hee heeee) and, um, zara, maybe you'd do me the favor of wandering back to your love and beauty topic and trying once again to get some more replies?? i REALLY want to hear what more people think, and my last reply to that topic asking you to do this was lost forever in cyber space...... (there are lots of people out there with opinions about those two ideas -- why won't they share them with us all?? ;) ) mwishka |
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| Zara |
| 06/05/02 at 10:52:19 |
| [quote author=mwishka link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#12 date=06/05/02 at 10:40:03]sis zara, i don't mean to mess with your metaphor, but i do want to say something about it, since this topic comes up here so many times in so many discussions. i think we'd pretty much all agree that a person's character is their most important attribute - and by character, i'm including the level of their piety. BUT, i'm going to take a little risk here and address this question of being attracted to someone's looks. just because the first thing you notice about someone you meet in person is that their physical appearance appeals to your personal sense of aesthetics, that is not in and of itself a bad thing. i think it's being both too hard on ourselves and being unfair to our mere human reality to try to convince ourselves otherwise. AND i think there's no correlation between being attracted to someone's physical appearance and losing your connection to them if their "looks diminish" for whatever reason. provided, that is, of course, that you did actually HAVE a deeper level of connection to them. so, in essence, i'd say "don't count on it!" anyone who loses interest in a person if ONLY their looks change didn't have a real connection to that person, so i'd say the metaphor only applies to superficial interactions like those we have with our cereal. :D (and, oh wow, actually our connection with our cereal is pretty intimate, since it's taken in by us, destroyed for our benefit, and re-made in a new form to continue on as a part of us...... wow. hee heeee) and, um, zara, maybe you'd do me the favor of wandering back to your love and beauty topic and trying once again to get some more replies?? i REALLY want to hear what more people think, and my last reply to that topic asking you to do this was lost forever in cyber space...... (there are lots of people out there with opinions about those two ideas -- why won't they share them with us all?? ;) ) mwishka [/quote] The case study in question actually invloved a scenario whereby all features of this entity were appealing although looks seemed to be the overriding factor for the person. Am I making sense? Also you are right if looks become too important then one must question whether there was a real connection at all. Mwishka, what subject did you or are you studying??? I'm a final year Computer Science student [wlm] |
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| mwishka |
| 06/05/02 at 11:04:37 |
| chemistry: biochemistry: protein folding and misfolding... still deep in the midst of it........ sigh. mwishka |
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| Zara |
| 06/10/02 at 06:46:06 |
| [quote author=mwishka link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=0#14 date=06/05/02 at 11:04:37]chemistry: biochemistry: protein folding and misfolding... still deep in the midst of it........ sigh. mwishka[/quote] :o wow I always loved chemistry but somehow ended up pursuing Computer Science.....Although I have just completed my BSc and at the moment I am not very inclined towards further studies...Although I feel lost without something to focus on as one of the goals for a means to an end..... Now I know where all this analysis hypothesis conclusion style writing is coming from. Have you been filling in your lab book alongside replying to messages on the board ;) ma'salaama :-) |
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| Barr |
| 06/13/02 at 10:01:16 |
| Assalamu'alaikum :-) [quote]The reply was the metaphor which means that physical beauty can be the underlying factor which causes you to favour someone and if that quality were to decrease then so would your regard for them. [/quote] Interesting, mashaAllah :) But even if physical beauty isn't the underlying factor that causes one to favour someone... a loss of it can still give such consequences. Or perhaps, give rise to a change in how we feel about someone.... could be positive or negative. Do we really think that we, would still be the same person, if our looks were taken away, or if we look differently? Aren't the physical, spiritual and every part of us connected and related? And an absence or the presence of any feature changes who we are? Would we still be the same person, if we are a wee tad uglier.. or a touch prettier.. or a day older... or a day younger? Hence.. wouldn't it possible then, that other's notice the change and be changed due to our change? Allahua'lam |
| 06/13/02 at 10:10:23 |
| Barr |
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| Zara |
| 06/14/02 at 09:15:50 |
| [quote author=Barr link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=15#16 date=06/13/02 at 10:01:16]Assalamu'alaikum :-) Interesting, mashaAllah :) But even if physical beauty isn't the underlying factor that causes one to favour someone... a loss of it can still give such consequences. Or perhaps, give rise to a change in how we feel about someone.... could be positive or negative. Do we really think that we, would still be the same person, if our looks were taken away, or if we look differently? Aren't the physical, spiritual and every part of us connected and related? And an absence or the presence of any feature changes who we are? Would we still be the same person, if we are a wee tad uglier.. or a touch prettier.. or a day older... or a day younger? Hence.. wouldn't it possible then, that other's notice the change and be changed due to our change? Allahua'lam [/quote] Hmmm, yes but the facts are a little hard to deal with. Our conceptions of everything is responsive to changes around us almost automatically even if we think that we haven't changed. It remeinds me of how as a child we are free from adult prejudices and social/cultural misconceptions. As we approach adulthood this changes and we judge accordig to general knowledge and don't rely on intution as much. I guess as people we have to deal with what comes our way and anything can alter the equilibrium of what is and what may be.. in short what ever will be, will be, the future is not ours to see.... :) hey do any of you brits remember the advert featuring that catch phrase ??? ma'salaama :-) |
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| BrKhalid |
| 06/15/02 at 15:39:58 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Do we really think that we, would still be the same person, if our looks were taken away, or if we look differently?[/quote] Straying from the subject a little, the above reminded me when you look at yourself in the mirror for a while and suddenly the image you see isn't you. Anyone experience this? It's as if its your personality is simply being worn by this exterior but your real self is deep within. It leaves you with the sensation that you're looking at a complete stranger. PS Just for clarification I don't always look in the mirror for long hours!!!! ;-) [quote]in short what ever will be, will be, the future is not ours to see....[/quote] Fried onion rings......we'll have to wait and see...;-) |
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| Zara |
| 06/18/02 at 06:41:14 |
| [quote author=BrKhalid link=board=bookstore;num=1022524708;start=15#18 date=06/15/02 at 15:39:58]Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Straying from the subject a little, the above reminded me when you look at yourself in the mirror for a while and suddenly the image you see isn't you. Anyone experience this? It's as if its your personality is simply being worn by this exterior but your real self is deep within. It leaves you with the sensation that you're looking at a complete stranger. PS Just for clarification I don't always look in the mirror for long hours!!!! ;-) Fried onion rings......we'll have to wait and see...;-) [/quote] :o well, you have hit the nail right on the head brother...beauty isn't skin-deep it is your inner self, your persona (no I am not talking alter-ego :) ) that makes you who you are. as for the mirror experience, that feeling is weird and and perhaps i have experienced it sometime. although what i remember more vividly is when i was contemplating about the universe/world etc i thought for a split second if i wasn't created then life for the people that i know would be different and i would never have felt what it feels like to be alive. alhumdulillah i count my blessings every day, looking to show my gratitude in a different way, i lack in eloquence, to praise his benevolence allahu akbar. trust me deep reflections are even more overwhelming than looking in the mirror and thinking that your body is just a vessel which carries your soul and your persona makes you unique. my advice is practice the deen simply and leave that which doesn't concern you, verily there are some matter that should you interfere it may be at your own disadvantage. so, anyone want to have a go at interpreting: [quote] colourless green ideas sleep furiously [/quote] fried green onion rings sounded promising. [wlm] :-) |
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