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| Dawn |
| 06/04/02 at 06:53:28 |
| OK, for all you moms out there, I have a question. When your kids get sick, do they often get rashes, even if it is only a cold or some other minor viral infection? Mine seems to get something like heat rash with many colds or sore throats or intestinal problems. I was starting to get worried, but her doctor says that this is not a problem and is actually rather common among young kids. (We keep checking for measles or scarlet fever, just in case.) So, have you seen this in your kids or do you know of other kids for whom this is true? How common is it? Peace, Dawn |
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| bismilla |
| 06/06/02 at 03:53:11 |
| [slm] The rashes may be allergic reaction to anti-biotics or too much of medication being consumed within a short space of time. My granny use to refer to it as heat rash and we'd all get laxatives to remedy the situation! (hair rasing stuff!) LOL :P Lots of water is also a good idea. There's this "medication" (homeopathy) made from the echina flower. A few drops of this in the kids juice (to disguise the bitter taste) and it aids in boosting their imune system. I can tell you from personal experience that this stuff works. :-* [slm] |
| 06/10/02 at 03:57:25 |
| bismilla |
| Re: Sick kids |
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| mwishka |
| 06/06/02 at 12:30:09 |
| a caution about using echinacea: do NOT use it for more than 10 days at a time, and i'd suggest less - that's a maximum for when someone is ill. yes, it enhances immune system response, which is not a good thing to keep elevated for an extended period of time, as you can imagine. it can cause "symptoms" to increase as the immune system goes into overdrive, plus it can just plain exhaust your immune system until it can't even respond anymore. for any illness, or when you or your child has been exposed to, especially, a virus, such as a cold, i agree with bismilla, though i recommend using echinacea-goldenseal tincture, you can get alcohol-free versions. this stuff is very POWERFUL, and will knock out almost anything within a day. it tastes VERY nasty to those of us on the prefer-sour/hate-bitter end of the taste spectrum, but you only need a few drops - hide it in juice or bebzi, better yet dropper it under your tongue (the fastest route in), hold it there, swallow the rest and drink MILK. same as if you over-peppered your taste buds. you can also buy echinacea tea, which is a pleasantly warm way to take it in if you like warm drinks. it works so well because echinacea boosts the immune system while goldenseal has natural antibiotic properties. i keep a goldenseal-comfrey salve in my house - it's a potent topical for almost anything. you can buy goldenseal powder to keep on hand to use for yourself, your children or your pets for wounds. you can put the powder right into an open wound. ummm....now that i said that, i don't know if i should have, because you have to use common sense here to recgonize a wound which has dried over the top (goldenseal is very drying) of an inner moist region which is not completely clean - and can lead to infection. ok, i'm going to have to hope that people will use good sense. i have seen people who thought their animals would "heal themselves. they're animals." so they didn't take them to the doctor - THAT'S the main reason i'm offering this particular advice here. ok, i'll just add this here, while we're sort of on the subject of cold virus. you don't ever need to get a cold at all. first, the cold virus lives and thrives in the nose - perfect environment in terms of temperature (cooler than the rest of the body), moisture and food (yep, mucus. don't make faces - these organisms are like vulcans, without emotional reaction to this good thing, and willing to utilize things in a practical way.). ok, the cold virus is passed through the air or on hands, but it has to end up in your nose in order to thrive. why do people sneeze? hee heee these little virus organisms are clever - once their population has reached a critical density inside your nose, they need to move on, to find new places to live, so they make you sneeze. you're just providing them a means of travel with enhanced velocity. more effective dispersion. so, if you're in a place where someone is sneezing, you're just in the midst of a "new housing market", and are about to gain new residents. what can you do? hee heeee this is REALLY easy, but, um some people, not being vulcans, get emotional about it, and a little queasy... but it works, i guarantee it and once i tell you what it is, i'll tell you how the pharmaceutical industry is choosing to capitalize on this method, which should have nothing to do with them or their deep deep pockets. ok, three things to do to just plain not get colds. (um, strong constitution probably helps, but is not essential. my appalachian mountain lineage has given me the strength to withstand almost all illness - had three colds and two flus in my life ever, until i came to graduate school :'( ) 1. IF you were around a sneezing person, dose up on C as soon as you can. take ~1gram (500-1500mg, depending on your body - your stomach will tell you what it can't handle...) as many times as you can handle over the next two days. for me this is about 6-8gm total per day. 2. IF you feel any becinning of congestion in you nose, or feel any discomfort in your throat, you have some new residents - as soon as you can....ok, these are the two parts people don't like...you have to gargle with salt water and snort it up into your nose. a) gargling: pour a glass of warm water and put as much salt in it as will stay in solution - after you've mixed it, when you see salt fall to the bottom, you know the solution is saturated. gargle with this. b) snorting it: same preparation, have the liquid level to the brim of the glass. hold your head over the sink, and have a pile of kleenex nearby. snort up as much as you can, just let it run out of your nose into the sink. if you've barely been exposed, meaning your nose is not actually stuffy yet, just do this a few times, and not much will happen. blow your nose when you're done. BUT if you waited too long and your nose IS congested, you're about to have a little miracle of science occur: snort it up a few times. let it run out - have those kleenexes within reach! - wait a couple of moments, and all of a sudden you will need to blow your nose and it will empty. of course, if you waited really really too long, and you let yourself get sick and miserable, you might have to do this three or four times a day until you get them - and their polluted envoronment - all out. salt "cuts" the mucus they're living in - it "breaks" the cohesiveness of its structure, which is why you can now blow you nose effectively. (same principle of diffusion of water as described below...) 3. IF you get sick, do the gargling and snorting as many times in a day as you can. take 6-8gm C (or whatever YOU need) every day for as long as you're sick. remember, C is water soluble, so you excrete what isn't needed. but, if you surpass your own personal limit of tolerance, you might get pain in your stomach (it's ascorbic ACID) or, um, diarrhea. and any time you have a sore throat or sore inside of your mouth, not only do you need C, but you need A - which is required to maintain the integrity of all mucus membranes. (i mentioned elsewhere that A is also essential for good vision and for preventing ear infections...) ok, how could salt work to kill things, even a virus? it's terrible! i can barely stand to think about it, really.... it sucks the water out of they little bodies. osmotic pressure difference - more solute (particles) outside. so the liquid inside the organism will redistribute against the pressure difference - whoosh, it leaves, and they die what must be a horrible death. i hope it's very quick..... :( so, those pharmaceutical parasitic companies (eek...i hope i never need to work for one - i'm sure we're being monitored here... ;) ) said oh wow man why didn't we think of this sooner? don't let that mountaingranny we got advising us know where we're going with this. give her 20 bucks for the idea and send her home. she'll never know how valuable it was to us.... but, um find out what other secrets she's hiding before you let her go. use that, um phenobarbitol if she refuses.... heh heh heh.... so, what "remedy" can you buy for, what was it...$6 or $9 dollars? a little spray bottle of, guess what? "sterile saline". (translation: "cheap salt water that we sterilized.") mwishka p.s. if the congestion goes into your chest, what do mountain people do? mustard plaster! ok, it burns, it's hot - but it works. spread a large amount of paste made from ground yellow mustard seed on the middle of a soft cloth (a new cloth diaper is perfect), fold it over so the mustard is inside, and lay the cloth across the person's chest. if it's a child, stay with them, don't let them be uncomfortable. if it's too much for them, take it off. don't make the remedy worse than the illness when it comes to children.... p.p.s. my apologies to anyone who read this earlier and was puzzled by any of the large number of typographical errors - ESPECIALLY at least two places where "gm" for gram was typed as "mg" which is milligram.... i hope that IF anyone read it then that they were able to sort it all out. i THINK i've corrected all the (million) errors, now... |
| 06/06/02 at 22:48:58 |
| mwishka |
| Re: Sick kids |
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| Dawn |
| 06/07/02 at 05:31:31 |
| Thanks for the good info, mwiska! But a couple of questions. 1. I always used a homemade saline nasal spray rather than "snorting" the stuff. It works fairly well. Is "snorting" more effective? 2. Have your colleagues identified the "active ingredient(s)" in plants such as comfrey, goldenseal, foxglove, etc. or even better, identified [i]why[/i] they work? |
| Re: Sick kids |
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| mwishka |
| 06/07/02 at 09:02:29 |
| hi dawn, for #1, i'd say yes especially if the virus has already produced nasal congestion ... but that's not an absolute answer for everyone - whatever works best for anyone is what they should use.... for #2, in some cases, yes, in some cases, no. i'd have to check my "herbals" (guides to herbs) to see which one has the best listings including known chemical properties, then i'll let you know the name. i think it might be the one by john lust (yep, that's his name....rough name to carry, eh?) and i'll post it here sometime.... mwishka |
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| eleanor |
| 06/07/02 at 09:45:35 |
| [slm] hey mwishka, fascinating stuff!!! I don't suppose you have any remedies for hayfever do you? My husband is allergic (I think) to grass pollen, so far he has had an injection and three different types of tablet, but each type only works for a few days and then he gets another attack... I know this thread is called sick kids and not sick husbands... but he's a big kid at heart... all together now "aaaaaaw" wasalaam eleanor |
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| mwishka |
| 06/07/02 at 10:39:55 |
| hi sis eleanor, i don't have any allergies (except to codeine derivatives...and that sounds almost sensible... hee heee) so i can't tell you anything from my own experience in solving this problem. what i can tell you i've just learned from reading or observation.. ok, so "allergies" are an inability of the body to process foreign (invading) material, and the foreign organism material that causes the allergic reaction is the foreign proteins. (ummm....not completely positive its the ONLY the proteins....but essentially it is.) so, a person with any sort of allergy needs to 1)strengthen their immune system, 2)possibly deal with the particular proteins troubling them, and 3)try to see if they can figure out WHY this particular substance gives them trouble. for the last one, an interesting phenomenon that's been observed more recently if FARM KIDS developing allergies like hayfever, etc. my take on this is that it has to do with either the excessive use of antibacterials, esp. if it's a dairy farm, the excessive use of pesticides and herbicides, affecting the kids either because their parents' overexposure altered their own genetic qualities, or the abuse of chemical compounds altered the genetic makeup of the plants, so that they BECAME quite alien to these children's systems, who had most likely inherited antibodies for the palnts as they existed originally, but they COULDN'T inherit the mutant antibodies they would now need. ok, what do i suggest: two things. oh, with a corollary third. 1) hee heee fasting. ok, sounds weird, i know, and i don't do it myself (my hypoglycemia is so bad that it would most likely kill me within about 12 hours.....i know i know that isn't funny..sorry). BUT what it does is deplete your system of, well, just about everything. so it kind of has to start over, using new building materials. this gives you a chance to rebuild your immune defenses, which, if you've been fighting certain allergies over a long time, might be worn out and less effective than they once were. it allows the body to make attempts at new strategies to attack and break down the invading material. 2) this is a suggestion based on reading all the listings for herbs useful against hayfever. for the most part, those suggested help you breathe better - versions of the type of assistance ephedra gives to open passageways. (these should ALL be used with great caution...) that might help, but doesn't solve any problems. (oh, i want to add that one herb that might be very useful for treating symptoms of hayfever is eyebright, which is not at all a vasodilater.) guess what's listed as helpful? papaya. now you're talking! papaya contains a lot of papain, an enzyme - remember, enzymes are proteins - that can degrade other proteins, meaning it unfolds them, rendering them useless for their normal function. that's the beginning of breaking down proteins metabolically - they have to be made accessible to the proteins (enzymes) whose job it is to actually break the bonds (chop them up) so we can take them down to their basic units and rebuild them into "friendly" proteins we want to have in our bodies. i think papaya sounds like a great idea, though, again, not necessarily a solution - i'm being cautious here, because for all i know assisting one's body with papain over a period of time might be just the boost needed to deal with the grass proteins. the reason i hesitate so, is because of route of entry, and internal processing - if you take papain in through your digestive system, the only proteins it's going to have a chance to work on are ones that also enter by that route. and, yep, without getting into too much detail for you non-vulcans out there, some of these grass proteins are going to end up in your stomach by one means or another, so they will be broken down. but the papain's function does not extend to the rest of the body's systems, and i'd have to do some reading to check into all the steps involved in the re-training to produce new antibodies. the proteins that are inhaled into the respiratory tract will be dealt with in this way ---- um, ok, going into an area in which i'm not as well-informed as i should be, so i better stop here. any immunologists out there? (and, hey, if there are, i need a favor - a pdf file i can't get. seriously, if there's an immunologist or a medical doctor on this board who reads this, i could use your assistance with access to a medical journal.. not even the article i haven't read yet for bro bhaloo :( - something else...) ok, gotta go. oh, sis eleanor - the corollary: use all the things you know of or that i've mentioned or anyone else has mentioned to get your husband to build up his immune system. echinacea really does help with this, for example. mwishka |
| Re: Sick kids |
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| bismilla |
| 06/10/02 at 03:54:33 |
| [slm] bsm :-) [quote]do NOT use it for more than 10 days at a time, and i'd suggest less - that's a maximum for when someone is ill. [/quote] :o erm...bbut...i...um...um...gave him 2-3 drops in one feed a day for about 6 months straight. :o Not because he was SICK. But for his immune system to be in a better position to fight off the "baddies" :-) He does get a cold, etc. But took shorter periods to recover and didn't require anti-biotics and injections to get well either, Alhumdulillah :-* {can i stop paniking now PLEASEEEEEE...tell me i can stop panicking!!!!}...jus' kidding :-[ hehehe :D Shukran for the great advice Sr. Mwishka :) [slm] |
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