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| 'If Germany can unite, so can India, Pak' |
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| jaihoon |
| 06/09/02 at 04:02:02 |
| Indo-Pak confederation possible: Advani PTI [ SATURDAY, JUNE 08, 2002 9:17:40 PM ] NEW DELHI: Home Minister L K Advani has said if East and West Germany could unite, there was no reason why India and Pakistan could not form a confederation of their own free will after resolving all problems through dialogue and not by violence or terrorism. "If East and West Germany could unite despite acrimonious political relations, why not India and Pakistan? There may be difficulties, but it is not impossible. "A day will come when the people of both countries will realise that partition has done no good to them," Advani said on Saturday after launching a monthly journal, South Asia Politics, here. "The most important thing to move towards a confederation is that all disputes and problems between India and Pakistan be resolved only through dialogue and not by violence or terrorism", the home minister said. Referring to an assessment of the US Administration about existence of a possibility of "revolutionary change" in Indo- Pak relations during the Lahore bus trip by Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, he said this could not happen "as the then Pakistan army chief (Pervez Musharraf) had other things in mind which led to the Kargil war". In Agra too, Musharraf described terrorists as "freedom fighters". But now, the world community had accepted the reality about cross-border terrorism and asked Pakistan to "act in accordance with the promises (to contain terrorism) it has made", Advani said. |
| Re: 'If Germany can unite, so can India, Pak' |
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| mujaahid |
| 06/10/02 at 07:40:37 |
| [slm] You must be joking. Muslim Pakistan unite with muslim hating HINDU INDIA?!!!! Never in a million years. |
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| eleanor |
| 06/10/02 at 07:58:33 |
| [slm] it's two completely different situations, you cannot compare the forced seperation of Germany to the voluntary creation of Pakistan. wasalaam eleanor |
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| jaihoon |
| 06/10/02 at 10:04:40 |
| [quote] You must be joking. Muslim Pakistan unite with muslim hating HINDU INDIA?!!!! Never in a million years. [/quote] :D i can understand when u call HINDU india. But where is Pakistan, where is MUSLIM :-/ |
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| mujaahid |
| 06/10/02 at 12:22:42 |
| [slm] Jaihoon i see your point, maybe i should rephrase it with "Ignorant" Muslim Pakistan with Hindu India ;) |
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| eleanor |
| 06/11/02 at 10:13:46 |
| [slm] I must admit to being a bit bemused by the promptness of our members to denounce their muslim brothers, which is a great sin. There is so much evil in the world, so save your judgements of other Muslims until you have yourself and your own deen sorted out, and save your seemingly boundless energy for denouncing the true criminals and sinners in this world. Jazak Allahu Khayrun, wasalaam eleanor :-* |
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| mujaahid |
| 06/11/02 at 12:57:48 |
| When muslims decide to perversely twist islaamic teachings to suite thier own agenda's, we will speak out against it. Period. Especially those who help the Americans by capturing and killing the muslim fighters. Such countries always face the wrath of Allah (awj). |
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| ahmer |
| 06/11/02 at 13:17:16 |
| [slm] It may be hindu indian government, but with all respect (kulli ihtiram) india is more muslim than pakistan. I think i am going on a tangent but i feel that it is essential that we develop a rational approach to the 45% of the Muslim world living as minorities. Read an excellent article on the Muslim minorities by Rashid Al Gannouchi http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2002/05/Article16.shtml Some of the vitriolic diatribe emanating from the Muslim world is a recipe for disaster for the Muslim minorities. Think about it..!! [wlm] ahmer |
| 06/11/02 at 13:17:56 |
| ahmer |
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| jaihoon |
| 06/11/02 at 13:33:15 |
| [quote] It may be hindu indian government, but with all respect (kulli ihtiram) india is more muslim than pakistan. I think i am going on a tangent but i feel that it is essential that we develop a rational approach to the 45% of the Muslim world living as minorities.ahmer[/quote] Bingo! finaly someone has become the spokesman of my heart! :) jazak Allah khair. Whatever be the pitfalls... saare jahan se acha hindustan hamaara. :) There may be Gujrat and Ayodhya once in a while. But al hamdu lillah, india don't have one sect of ummat dropping bombs in the mosques of another sect. Nor massacres on the streets while in the month of Muharram. And certianly not bloody ethnic clashes between the residents and immigrants for economic reasons. |
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| WhatDFish |
| 06/11/02 at 13:46:04 |
| saare jahan se acha hindustan hamaara ---> blind patriotism!! our allegiance lies only to Allah. we cd do away with nationalistic pride. gujarat and ayodhya once in a while?? and its not one time too many?? their lives dont mean nothin to you? i cant believe this is coming out of a muslim! :( |
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| mujaahid |
| 06/11/02 at 13:57:03 |
| [slm] "But al hamdu lillah, india don't have one sect of ummat dropping bombs in the mosques of another sect. Nor massacres on the streets while in the month of Muharram. And certianly not bloody ethnic clashes between the residents and immigrants for economic reasons." Salaam Bro. Are you talking about life in Pakistan? i.e. sectrian violance etc? |
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| ahmer |
| 06/11/02 at 13:59:01 |
| 1. Ya Akhi Jaihoon, i never meant to say what you said!! All i am saying was that there is a need to re-evaluating our strategies towards Muslim minorities and what i feel is quite clear if you read the article i referred to. I will def not get into the debate insha'Allah.. And Allah knows best!! [wlm] ahmer |
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| jaihoon |
| 06/11/02 at 15:11:50 |
| [slm] Neither debating nor arguing nor blind patriotism nor belittling the hurmat of a muslims' life... was my intention. :'( Just as how a believer in US feels bad when the rest of the 'muslim' world accuses his nation as TOTAL kuffar ignoring the million plus believers in his country, similiar is the case here. :( India is as MUSLIM as Pakistan. And it is my PERSONAL opinion that believers in US are more strong in their imaan than those living in so-called muslim countries. The former is 24-hour conscious to protect his imaan becoz all around is haraam, the latter is got used to minarets and mullas at every junction in the town. As they say, familiarity breeds contempt. or like it is said in my country, the jasmine at one's own compound lacks fragrance. ;) |
| 06/11/02 at 15:12:27 |
| jaihoon |
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| Faiz |
| 06/11/02 at 20:36:22 |
| [slm] Jazak Allah Khair brother Ahmer for the article!! and brother Jaihoon i think we are Muslim's first and then Indians (though that shouldn't prevent us from being good citizens). over here in the USA, i have attended conventions where speakers have spoke about Kashmir in the same manner as Palestine. but really, how much is Kashmir going to benefit by this secession from India. and by supporting the Kashmiri cause isn't Pakistan doing more damage to the millions of Muslims living scattered all over India? this may be hard to digest, but a lot of Hindus are tolerant, secular people. and the extremist amongst them get the pretext they need to target Muslims in India when Pakistan supports the Kashmir cause in the name of jihad. there are many brothers and sisters from the subcontinent on this board....don't you guys think that Muslims in both the countries would benefit from better ties between these countries? wa salaam |
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| boy |
| 06/16/02 at 03:42:35 |
| isn't the percentage of indian muslims similar to that of israeli arabs/muslims? hindustan doesn't mean india. plus think if all the tensions over kashmir were solved...both countries could spend money on helping the ridiculous poverty instead of wasting money buying weapons from boeing and lockheed. |
| 06/16/02 at 03:44:13 |
| boy |
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