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saleha_asyed
07/02/02 at 23:43:33
Assalamalekum every one,
I work in an islamic school, and alhumduallah they have zohar prayer in which kindergardners and elementary kids pray zohar together. Usually a kindergardner or an elemantary kid would lead the salah. I was wondering is it ok if i pray with them in a jamma', cuz they pray zohar loud  to practise the surahs plus for learning purposes to teach other kids how to pray.  Would my prayer be valid if i pray with them , or do i need to pray separately. Another question is, can a women call for adhan if she is leading a women prayer?
Jazakallah!!
Re: praying with children??
Fatimah
07/03/02 at 04:06:30
salam alaikum, this is in answer to a boy leading the salat..


Question:


can my 7yr old lead me in salaah? can i lead him in salaah being his mother? note:he learnt how to pray by copying me and following me in salaah

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is OK for a boy who understands the prayer to lead others in prayer, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People should be led in prayer by the one who knows the most Qur’aan among them.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Masaajid wa Mawaadi’ al-Salaah, 1078). And it was narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari that ‘Amr ibn Salamah al-Jarami said: “My father came from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said that he had heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘When the time for prayer comes, let the one among you who knows the most Qur’aan lead you in prayer.’ They looked and they did not find anyone who knew more Qur’aan than me, so they made me lead them in prayer, and I was a boy of six or seven years.” (al-Maghaazi, 3963. See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 7/389-390)  

The evidence to be found in the hadeeth is that these Sahaabah asked ‘Amr ibn Salamah to lead them in prayer when he was six or seven years old. This indicates that a boy who has reached the age of discernment can lead the prayers. If that were not permitted, there would have been Revelation to say that it was not allowed. (Ahkaam al-Imaamah wa’l-I’timaam fi’l-Salaah by ‘Abd al-Muhsin al-Muneef).  

If your son fulfils all the conditions and obligations of the prayer, then there is nothing wrong with him leading you.  

With regard to a woman leading a boy in prayer, this is not permissible, because he comes under the same rulings as a man. What is permitted is for a woman to lead other women in prayer, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded Umm Waraqah bint ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Nawfal to lead the members of her household – i.e., the women – in prayer. (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Salaah, Imaamat al-Nisaa’, 500, Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, 553).



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07/03/02 at 04:11:13
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Re: praying with children??
Fatimah
07/03/02 at 04:10:40
salam alaikum, this is what I found to answer your question about athan.. I have read somewhere that it is permissible for a woman to do it, but it is not obligitory on her like it is for the man. Allahu Alim.


Question:


Do women have to recite the iqaamah for prayer and give the adhaan if they are praying alone at home or in a gathering of women?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.  

That is not obligatory for them and it is not prescribed for them, according to the correct scholarly view, because that was not required of women at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so women did not do that at that time or at the time of the Rightly-Guided khaleefahs (may Allaah be pleased with them). And Allaah is the Source of strength.



See: Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Iftaa’, 6/82, 83. (www.islam-qa.com)
Re: praying with children??
saleha_asyed
07/06/02 at 03:23:29
Jazakallah sister fatimah for reply, but i'm still confused, some of these kids are six years old, and they read zohar prayer loud, for other kids to learn. Since i know that zohar prayer is the silent one, can i still read behind a kid who is reading it loud for learning purposes of other kids?
Re: praying with children??
Fatimah
07/08/02 at 11:07:23
Salam alaikum sis,
Alhamdulilah, I finally got the answer for you. We asked Abdul Atheem Badawi (author of the book AlWajeez fe Fiqh) about your question. He said that it is not right that the children are praying out loud Thuhor prayer and that they should pray the way the Prophet (pbuh) taught us, meaning thuhor would be prayed quietly. If the boy who leads the salat does this, it is permissible for you to pray behind him because the imamship of the boy is permissible. The sheikh said that if you or the other children want to teach all the children surahs of the quran, it should be outside of the salat. Wa Allahu Alim. I hope this helps.
Re: praying with children??
saleha_asyed
07/08/02 at 20:33:48
Allhumduallah you cleared all my doubts. INshallah i'll ask the teacher to make the dohur prayer silent, and if she tell sme that it is for learning purpose then i'll tell her what you said, that if is it for surahs than it needs to be done seperately, hpefully she will understand.

Jazakallah again.


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