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| mwishka |
| 07/21/02 at 16:06:31 |
| i came across this, and wonder if this is standard to islamic thought, or if it is one author's own expression of this idea: [u]the three steps of progression of faith[/u] 1. ilm-el yakin -- being informed. (believing as a result of accessing information) 2. ayn-el yakin-- seeing. (believing because you are an eye-witness to something) 3. Hakk-el yakin- experiencing. (believing as a result of a tangible personal experience) i read this in something harun yahya wrote, but have seen it in nothing else i've read. just want to know if it's strictly his own way of thinking. mwishka p.s. his examples were these: 1. while inside your house you are told by someone who comes in that it is raining, and you believe them. 2. while inside your house you go to the window and look out and see that it is raining, and you believe that it is. 3. you go out from your house into the rain and experience for yourself that it is indeed raining. p.p.s. and of course, my real wonderment is if it's a necessary progression, maybe because of my um "experimentalist" nature, as in "tell me where, geographically, is this rain storm occurring, that i might go there and feel this 'rain' for myself?" ;) |
| 07/21/02 at 16:07:42 |
| mwishka |
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| Traveler |
| 07/21/02 at 17:35:27 |
| [slm] The idea sounds logical but no I don't know if it is a stated idea in the books of Islamic thought. Now you might be saying to yourself, why did I even reply to your message if I didn't have an answer. ;D Well, the thing is I find his work to be very thought provoking and convincing. To tell you the truth I admire his work, and I was wondering if you could share your own views on him. Everybody else is welcome to share his opinion on Harun Yahya, as well. Traveler |
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| amatullah |
| 07/21/02 at 21:31:02 |
| Bismillah and salam, I am pretty sure it is. i think i have read it in tafseer books, as well as it was discussed in the ladies lessons. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/22/02 at 01:17:51 |
| Real quick answers to your quick questions (unfortunately that's all I can provide at this time, not because I do not know what more to say, but because I do not have the time :(): [quote author=mwishka link=board=lighthouse;num=1027281992;start=0#0 date=07/21/02 at 16:06:31]i came across this, and wonder if this is standard to islamic thought, or if it is one author's own expression of this idea:[/quote] The former. That is, it's a known idea in Islamic thought. The basis of it is the Qur'an (and consequently Tafsir), in which these three types of yaqeen are specifically talked about in three different places. [quote]p.p.s. and of course, my real wonderment is if it's a necessary progression,[/quote] When you are talking about the 6 Articles of Faith (Faith in Allah, Angels, the Lasty Day, etc), the only level of yaqeen which is required from us is the first one, that is, [i]ilm al yaqeen[/i]. In fact, the overwhelming majority (see footnote) of human beings will never progress to higher levels of yaqeen in the 6 unseens as long as they live. However, you *will* progress to higher levels of faith in these things in the Hereafter. And Allah (swt) knows best. Footnote: The exceptions being Prophets and certain people whom Allah (swt) chooses to reveal certain things in this world. They may experience [i]ayn al-yaqeen[/i] for certain things. For example, some people may see some Prophets in a dream, or they may see angels, etc. But reaching this level of yaqeen is not *expected* from us in this life for these things, and it is only Allah (swt) who is capable of showing these things to us in this life. |
| 07/22/02 at 01:22:29 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| jaihoon |
| 07/22/02 at 07:51:25 |
| As is see it, I think its a subective thought. I suppose Dr. Allama Iqbal has stated the phenomenon in a more scientific way- 1- Faith: a period in which religious life appears as a disciplinewhihc the individual must accpet as an unconditional command without any rational understanding of the ultimate menaing and purpose of that command. 2- Thought: A rational understanding of the discipline and the ultimate source of its authority. religious life seeks its foundation in a kind of metaphysics- alogically consistent view of the world with God as a part of that view 3- Discovery : metaphysics is replaced by psychology. , and religious life develops the ambition to come into direct contact with the Ultimate Reality. (summarised from Reconstruction..., ) However, it is interesting to note that the various movements that has emerged in the world of Islam, both reformatory and spiritual, fall into one among these three categories. - Jaihoon ::) |
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