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| A Call to All Muslims! |
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| Seiful_Islam |
| 07/27/02 at 06:11:47 |
| IN THE NAME OF ALLAH A Call to All Muslims (Shia and Sunnah) By: Seiful Islam This is a call to all Muslims whether shia or Sunnah. It is a call that looks to find a place in your conscience. It is not a call that should simply be heard and forgotten. It is a call that represents not only the cries of the oppressed and the appeals of those who have fallen under the yoke of tyranny, but a call that also reminds you of your faith and your religion. We remind you of Allah's rights and remind you of our rights. It is Allah's right that His slaves be loyal to Him: "Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties, for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Case, so they kill and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat and Injeel and the Quran. And who is the truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the Supreme Success" Holy Quran 9:111 You also have a right upon yourseves to strive in every way possible when the Ummah is going through times of need: "Behold! You are those who are called to spend in the Cause of Allah, yet among you are some who are niggardly. And whoever is niggardly, it is only at the expense of his ownself. But Allah is Rich and you are poor. And if you turn away, He wll exchange you for some other people, and they will not be your likes" Holy Quran 47:38 We Muslims must be united. We must be one hand, one body, one heart, one mind and one word. We have the same God, the same Prophet (SAW), the same Mecca, the same prayers, the same Ramadan, the same goals, the same destiny and the same enemy. True Muslims do not allow anything to create disunity among them, because Allah (SWT) Has repeatedly prohibited divisions among believers. "Do not be lik those who are divided among themselves and fall into disputations after receiving clear evidence; for those (who are divided) will be a great punishment" Holy Quran 30:31, 32 "Be united by holding onto God's Covenant, and do not be divided" Holy Quran 8:46 "Obey Allah and his Messenger, and fall into no disputes, losing your heart and your power, and be patient, surely Allah is with those who are patient" Holy Quran 6:159 "The believers are brothers, make peace between your brothers, and beaware of Allah, that you may receive mercey" Holy Quran 59:10 "O Lord, forgive us, and our brothers who came before us into the faith, and leave no, in our hearts, any animosity against the believers" "The beleivers, men and women, are Auliya (friends) of one another" Holy Quran 9:71 "The believers are nothng else than brothers" Holy Quran 49:10 The Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said: "A Muslim is the brother of every other Muslm; he doesn not do him wrong and does not abandon him. Whomsoever comes to the aid of his brother at the time of need, Allah will aid him at his time of need. Whomsoever lifts a burden off of his brother, Allah will remove from upon him a burden from burdens of the day of judgement". We are responsible for protecting our religion and giving it glory. Are we not angered by the vicious attacks against Islam? Have we forgotten about the sanctity of Allah's religion and the sacredness of Muslim lives? Remember your Ummah that has been shredded piece by piece by its enemies! Remember the fact that your Ummah is lost in an ocean of deceit created by the media and news organizations that deliberatly misgide in order to shatter the morale of our brothers and sisters around the world! We call upon you to shake this Ummah out of its slumber and to remove the blindfold that has blinded its sight and its ability to see and respond to the bleeding wounds of Muslims everywhere. Indeed, if this Ummah is not our responsibilty, then whose responsibility is it? O Muslims! our Ummah is one body, if one part of the body is injured or weak, then the whole body is injured and weak. Remember your brothers and sisters in Iraq! Our beloved children are dying everyday as a result of the economic sanctions by the Great Satan. America has committed the most hideous crime against our beloved people in Iraq. The American hands are stained with the blood of our innocent chlidren. Now they want to commit another genocide aginst our people in Iraq in cooperation with the criminal Saddam (LA). Remember that your brothers and sisters in Palestine need your Dua'. Your Mujahideen brothers need your material and spiritual support. They are fighting the most terrorist and criminal state in the world. They have nothing to fight with except their faith and body. They are fighting the enemy to liberate our Holy and beloved land. They are fighting to remove the cancer gland from the heart of our great Ummah. We pray to Allah to grant them victory and destory "Israel" and all those who support "Israel". We pray to Allah to awaken Muslims and to create unity among them. May the peace and blessings of Alla be upon you. May Allah guide us all to the path of truth and unity. Your Brother in Islam Seiful Islam |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 07/27/02 at 15:53:23 |
| We pray to Allah to grant them victory and destory "Israel" and all those who support "Israel". Do muslims want to destroy Israel or do they want the palestinians to have their own state? |
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| BroHanif |
| 07/28/02 at 18:09:33 |
[quote]Do muslims want to destroy Israel or do they want the palestinians to have their own state? [/quote] Hmm, I for one would welcome a Palestinian State before the disastrous Balfour Treaty was declared, that way all three religions can work together. Presently Israel is being extremly racist, in fact I find it hard to say Israel as no such entity exits, it is something that has been created when the weak and defenceless were imposed upon. Why can't the Jewish settlers live peacefuly with the Palestinians ??? Anyway thats a topic for another day. Hanif |
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| Shahida |
| 07/29/02 at 06:12:22 |
| [slm] I do not wish to get into an involved debate about this issue, but I would like to make a point... Any people of conscience, whether Muslim, Christian, Baha'i, Hindu, Atheist etc should morally stand for an END to the OCCUPATION! Keeping that in mind, we cannot condone an occupation at one time and stand against an occupation at another time. 78% of Palestine was occupied in 1948, the rest in 1967. We call for liberation of ALL THE OCCUPIED territory. Bro Hanif, please allow me some time to get back to your post? I'd like to reply, but have no time now... Salam Shahida :-) |
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| yunus |
| 07/30/02 at 00:31:13 |
| Salaam Alikum i am very active here in my community about justice for Palestine and help on a national level an orginization calle SUSTAIN (stop US tax aid to Israel Now) and am a liasion for them in the albany area. I am strongly against the Israel occupation of Gaza the West Bank Jeurselaum and the Golean Heights. I also believe very strongly that for peace their must mean justice this means all the settlements must be dismantled, significant aid must be given to palestinians, israel must remove all troops from the territories, palestinian infastructure must be rebuilt, and all refugees must have right to return to Israel or compensation must be paid to those choosing not to return. I strongly advise people to choose your words but when disscussing this subject esspecially with non muslims. while i agree the foreign imposed partiation of Palestine was unfair and many injustices occured during this. We should not lump this occupation together with the 67 occupation. Right now our brothers and sisters are going through extreme harship there. We need to build popular support here in america with non muslims to petition our government to change its foreign policy towards Israel and truly work for a just peace. To help our brothers and sisters we need non muslims to support us. To do this we cant say that Israel should be in the "sea" or something to that extent. This makes our cause look bad and hampers our struggle to Free Palestine and end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. As I said any end to the occupation must be in accordance with international law therefore all refugees must have the right ot return. If refugees are granted this right let the new Palestinian majority in Israel along with jews decide the fate of Israel. When speaking with non muslims its important to speak about the injustices happening now and not to dwell in the past tell people how they can get involved as I said unless America's foreign policy changes I dont see a possible end to the occupation. For American foreign policy to change we need the majority of registered voters opinions about the situation to change. Lets work for a new future for Palestine finally put an end to the occupation, please dont work against the newly developing grassroots movement. Allah knows best Horia Falesteen |
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| amatullah |
| 07/30/02 at 06:04:56 |
| Bismillah and salam all that is said is fine and dandy but let's not forget that "israel" was created by invasion of our land and killing and making refugee the population or living under inhumane conditions. It is like what happened to them in the holacaust so why don't people jump and say don't say the germany did it? Israel did do it..is doing it. This state was created even on it with the help of colonizer Britishs. There was no jewish state before. So yes if they want to create somewhere fine. But this state called Israel as is we pray for its destruction. from day 1 until now it is oppressed and transgressed. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 07/30/02 at 11:27:23 |
| . But this state called Israel as is we pray for its destruction. from day 1 until now it is oppressed and transgressed. is that the only state you pray for its destruction as is? |
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| amatullah |
| 07/30/02 at 12:52:34 |
| corpest I don't appreciate hte sly inuendo. My post is clear. |
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| jannah |
| 07/30/02 at 13:02:51 |
| ltcoprest, the sad thing is that people all over the world are really sick of the status quo. I was pretty shocked by the opinions that some people had of Americans overseas. In fact when we were in the middle east none of us told people we were from the US because of the negative reaction. They just couldn't differentiate between Americans and American foreign policy. You have to understand that people in these countries see and feel what happens in Palestine daily. Daily they see pictures of people's homes being raized, the Israeli army killing people, mothers crying at graves, fathers holding dead babies, all under the protection and support of the United States. These are pictures and coverage you don't see on CNN. Even CNN World's coverage is quite different from what people see here. That people pray for the end of the evil should not be surprising to you or anyone else. What is surprising is that Americans just don't get it. I think living in the US is like living in a bubble. The US does something, the media contains how far we can see and reinforces the zenophobic view we have of ourselves as the "law enforcing superhero of the world that only does things out of compassion for the rest of the world." I think we should encourage people to go overseas, to study, to live, to work etc. All the people who have done that come back with dramatically different views because they then see the reality of the US and the global community. They have broken the bubble. |
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| bhaloo |
| 07/30/02 at 21:10:35 |
| [slm] [quote] What is surprising is that Americans just don't get it. I think living in the US is like living in a bubble. [/quote] That's probably how it must have been for Germans living under Adolph Hitler during the Nazi German era. It was Hitler that said, "People are more likely to fall for a bigger lie than a smaller one." Israel has no right to exist, it is illegal, they stole Muslim land and declared it their own. It is a terrorist state that supports terrorism. |
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| Shahida |
| 07/31/02 at 04:03:55 |
| Salam alaikum Excellent posts Jannah and others! I also understand where Bro Yunus is coming from...many people think this way, and maybe it is an answer to some. The fact remains though, that the Zionist entity would rather "die" than let any of the refugees return to change the demographics of their exclusive state. They already have MAJOR problems with those worrisome Palestinians living in their state (so-called Israeli Arabs)! If it is seen as a 2 stage solution instead of a 2 STATE solution, them let them evacuate the 1967 areas, remove the settlements, leave the Palestinians in peace... BUT as we all heard this morning, right from the "Dove's" mouth himself, Shimon Peres had called for a Palestinian state, "equal" to Israel in all ways, but totally DEMILITARIZED! For those of us who do not understand that word, it means that the Palestinian state will have NO ARMY, NO NAVY, minimal inferior weapons (only to be used to subdue the Palestinian public), NO BORDERS with the Arab States surrounding them, etc... What does this all mean? Their solution for the Palestinians is to keep them in a broken up jail, where they will not only be hounded by their corrupt puppet Authority, but also by their masters, who will control their borders, their movement, their very lives... Sound like a good plan to anyone? Knowing what is happening on the Palestinian street right now, I can tell you this: We see this struggle going oj for a long time! And if we are going to have to fight for another 50 years just to be able to leave the grovels we call home to be able to breath fresh air, buy milk for our hungry babies, or go out and find food...then we might as well fight for ALL OUR RIGHTS! This includes the WHOLE of Palestine! Why not fight to get our grandparent's home and land back? Why not put to use the keys we have treasured all these years, the keys to the homes which don't exist anymore, just as Yaffa has been replaced by Tel Aviv? Why not? this is our legitimate moral right! Coming to dear Bro Hanif's earlier post... [quote author=BroHanif link=board=ummah;num=1027764707;start=0#2 date=07/28/02 at 18:09:33] Hmm, I for one would welcome a Palestinian State before the disastrous Balfour Treaty was declared, that way all three religions can work together. Presently Israel is being extremly racist, in fact I find it hard to say Israel as no such entity exits, it is something that has been created when the weak and defenceless were imposed upon. Why can't the Jewish settlers live peacefuly with the Palestinians ??? Anyway thats a topic for another day. Hanif[/quote] Bro :) I appreciate your sentiments. If only it were so easy! Why can't the settlers live in peace withthe Palestinians? Because the old myth about driving the Zionists into the sea, is exactly what they want to do with the Palestinians! A little while ago there was a poll in Israel, and most of the people were FOR some sort of "solution" to the Palestinian problem, either by "transferring" them, or solvingthe problem with violence, to kill most of them, anddrive fear into the others to leave voluntarily. This was a poll in Israel, not amongst the other "settlers", sprewn across the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They are normally much more extreme in their views. We are asking the Palestinians to "live in harmony" with people who stole from them, removed everything they have, killed them, imprisoned them, torture them everyday... Let me pose another question: If someone had to come into your home one night, rape your wife in front of you and your kids, kill your eldest son because they didn't like the way he looked, strip you and beat you up in front of your whole family, then force you out of your home in the middle ofthe night, and make you live in the backyard, while they take over your home...tell me: why don't yuo accept this new situation and make peace with them? Live in harmony, there is "nothing" you can do to change the situation, or is there? Many Palestinians are not calling for the jews to be driven into to the sea. There are actually jews who migrated to Palestine before 1948, they have been absorbed into the Palestinian society and live under the same curfews and torture the rest of the Palestinian society lives under. Many Palestinians would advocate that the people who were born in Palestine, and did not come there of their own free will to occupy stolen land, have the right to remain behind! What we want is a state that gives everyone the right to vote, that welcomes the dispossessed refugees back home, that fulfills all our legitimate rights. This, morally, is not too much to ask for or expect. more later wasalam Shahida :-) |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 08/02/02 at 11:17:25 |
| Quote: What is surprising is that Americans just don't get it. I think living in the US is like living in a bubble. That's probably how it must have been for Germans living under Adolph Hitler during the Nazi German era. It was Hitler that said, "People are more likely to fall for a bigger lie than a smaller one." Israel has no right to exist, it is illegal, they stole Muslim land and declared it their own. It is a terrorist state that supports terrorism. you are right to a certain extent, Americans do live in a bubble, but so does everyone else. I have not been to any middle east countries, but I wonder what kind of coverage the news is there? When they bombed the university a couple of days ago, did they show the killings of innocent people in compassionate terms or did they show it as a small victory for the palestininas? We see in the United States coverage of both sides (not that it is in any way a complete picture, but how can it be? there is news and tragic situations in many many countries.) with people from the palestinian side all the time. If you asked the average American about the palestinian israel issue, they would say that Israel is not bargaining in good faith, but for Israel what is there to bargain? Judging from these posts, it seems that most muslims feel that Israel has no right to exist. So even if they bargained and gave back whatever land was asked, I do not think that would change most muslims opinions whether they had a right to exist or not. Am I wrong in this opinion or am I misreading what everyone here just said? There are lots of states that support terrorism, but i never hear about anyone saying anything about them on this site, just Israel. Jannah, I have lived and travelled overseas, and it has broken my bubble, I have come to appreciate what America is about (not that we do everything right). In regards to 1967 occupation, was that palestinian territory controlled by egypt, or was it just egyption territory? Bro I appreciate your sentiments. If only it were so easy! Why can't the settlers live in peace withthe Palestinians? Because the old myth about driving the Zionists into the sea, is exactly what they want to do with the Palestinians! Is this a myth or don't they want to drive them into the sea? hopefully I am not offending anyone by what i am saying, but there are tough questions for both sides to answer. Amattullah, I was not meaning a sly innuendo, but when I hear of someone praying for a county's destruction it is a very odd thing (to me at least). |
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| yunus |
| 08/02/02 at 16:44:08 |
| Salaam i just wanted to cmment about one remark you made you said that how did they new cover the story about the bombing about the university did they show it with compassion or a victory. Obviously it should be shown with compassion that attack was unnecessary and not halal what do students have to do with the bombing in Gaza. Why shouldnt people show compassion for dead civilians. The prophet pbuh never supported the death of civilians. Where is the victory in this? Just more unnecessary violence. As for people posting about other states I post many things about the American governement. All muslims must remember that regarless of how disgusted we are with the occupation we can not support attacks against civilians. This achives nothing and is unnecessary |
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| amatullah |
| 08/02/02 at 22:55:33 |
| Bismillah and salam, I am not saying i condone or condem the bombings. But i just want to make something clear and perhpas burst a bubble. Israelis have compalsary military. They have to enter and be trained to fight and kill when they hit a certain ege. they are armed. So even the settlers, so nicely refered to theses occupiers coming by mass planned migration from all over the world to take up space and "tag it", have at least a shotgun. |
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| yunus |
| 08/02/02 at 23:36:24 |
| I Know that Isreal has a compulsory army but so does the United States for that matter. When I did 18 i was compelled to sign a draft card that said I would fight for th US if we went to war does that mean that I am cmplacent with what the US government does aborad and should be a target. I think this argument is ridiculous and is only used to try to justify something which is clearly wrong. The fact remains that while this students or other civilians might be called to serve the are not soldiers at that time and are not directly involved in any actions. There is no reason for these attacks on civilians. And as a matter of fact over 500 civilians have refused to serv in the army on penaly of imprisonment. These types of attacks do the Palestinians a disservice people need to realize that terrorism in any form only breeds more terror. I believe that if certain groups did not target civilians then more mainstream people would support their cause. I see the only possible solution for the palestinians to fight the Israels is to gain the "moral upper hand" by having a nonviolent civil disobediance movement in the spirt of Thoreau, Ghandi, and King. This will give them the support of mainstream media and people in America and truly expose the IDF for what they are a group committed to terror and will show Israel for the country it is an apartheid state. |
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| jannah |
| 08/04/02 at 00:44:12 |
| [slm] This is just a friendly reminder that the topic of suicide/martyr bombing is a banned topic for good reason :) Jazakallah khair... |
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| muqaddar |
| 08/04/02 at 19:02:41 |
| [quote author=Seiful_Islam link=board=ummah;num=1027764707;start=0#0 date=07/27/02 at 06:11:47]IN THE NAME OF ALLAH A Call to All Muslims (Shia and Sunnah) By: Seiful Islam This is a call to all Muslims whether shia or Sunnah. It is a call that looks to find a place in your conscience. It is not a call that should simply be heard and forgotten. It is a call that represents not only the cries of the oppressed and the appeals of those who have fallen under the yoke of tyranny, but a call that also reminds you of your faith and your religion. Seiful Islam [/quote] [slm] This is an old siren song before you fight against something you must be sure you know what your fighting for otherwise you may find yourself replacing one enemy with another even stronger. The Muslims of Persia and Afganistan also believed in muslim unity the treachery of a member of certain sect led to one of the worst holocausts in history, It may be that certain people in the middle east are overwhelmed with their suffering, if they witnessed the suffering caused to muslims elsewhere by people they are allying with they would be amazed There are no parties there is only Islam and the Muslim some things should not be forgotten. I wish to be understood |
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| Shahida |
| 08/07/02 at 05:08:35 |
| [slm] i have been trying to log in here since this morning. might have something to do with the 1920's computer i decided to use...anyway... needed to get back to itcorpest and yunus. itcorpest(hope i spelled that right?): it is a myth about the palestinians wanting to drive the jews into the sea. sure some people might feel this way, but it was a lie invented by the zionists to gain sympathy...and man has it worked!:( yunus: bro, i understand where you are coming from. i am just afraid that you have very little idea about what non-violent struggle means in palestine. have you ever seen a non-violent demonstration held in palestine by ordinary palestinians? yes? no? let me describe what you would see if you were standing right there... people would gather, ordinary people who prefer non-violence and need to express their dissatisfaction. they come together in a certain place, plan the route, and begin walking. they would not even take a few steps before the army would start throwing teargas and shooting at them. this has happened at every single demonstration. there are no weapons, no "militant" entities, just ordinary people walking down a street somewhere. every single time they are met by armed force!!! even when the christian clergy try to demonstrate they are physically restrained from doing anything! there was recently a demo held by peaceful international activists in palestine. what was the answer to their planned action? they were arrested, imprisoned, teargassed, and many were beaten up by the army, many were deported...there is a picture i would like to email you, its a pity it is not anywhere on the internet, else i could have posted it here. whenever we try to be ghandi or king, we are met with violence. how can you ask us to go out on the streets and demonstrate when we face being killed? now that the whole of the west bank is under curfew...how do you expect people to stage non-violent demonstrations? they cannot even go to the windows of their homes without the fear of bieng shot dead! when people preach about non-violence, they do not realise that the effort for non-violence is there, it truly is, but that the other side does not allow it to happen! i am very angry with foreigners who preach and preach, yet have no idea whats going on on the ground. next time someone asks you about this yunus, please inform them of the real situation there. wasalam shahida p.s sorry about all the small letters, this keyboard has a really involved method of putting the caps on and then turning them off again. |
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| yunus |
| 08/07/02 at 19:55:50 |
| Salaam I belive that while Palastinian militants are wining battles they are losing the war. Most Americans belive that these militans are terrorsits and because of this will not advocate for an end to the occupation. Speaking as someone on the frontlines here in the US activley working to end the occupation attacks against civilians make my job and other activists next to impossible. Further whenever Palestininan militants engage in a incursion into Israel the response is only met with considerably more violence against palestinians. To date 4 times as many Palestininans have died then Israels in the latest intifada. Also considerably more Palestininians are injured. Attack against civilians give Israel "justification" in the eyes of America to maintain in occupation and collectively punish the people of Palestine in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention by bulldoozing houses/infastructure, checpoints,curfews, targeting civilians etc etc. As for nonviolent struggle not working I would argue that it does work the couple cases that come to mind are Abolitionist movement, India with Ghandi, Dr King and the civil rights movement, the anti vietnam war movement, and South Africa. As for nonviolent movement in Palestine there are many orginizations over there non specifically comprised by foreiners one such group is the International Solidarity Movement in some instances yes tear gas etc is shoot at them but they are very effective in trying to diffuse situations, document human rights abuses, and attmepts at stopping destruction of the Palestininan people. Look I am a muslim and I am willing to fight for Allah because this is my duty. The Palestinian situation requires that we all work to help our brothers and sisters in Palestine. If we do not live in Palestine we should commit yourselves to jihad the jihad that the prophet pbuh talks about as being the greatest that of speaking out agianst a tyranical ruler. We must focous our attention toward the US governments illegal support for Israel and must end US aid to Israel until the occupation ends. From a tactians perspective Palestininas attacks are not working we must try another way to end the occupation. In order to end the occupation we must expose Israel for how they are an apartheid state and let Americans know this. To do this we must have the moral upperhand. In the eyes of many people by attacking civilians (regardless of whether or not they might someday serve in the IDF) rthis makes us no better then the IDF and in fact worse because Israel can claim we are the cause of the problem and they are just trying to maintain security. From my perspective to gain the upper hand some Palestinians must orgainize a group commited to non violent civil disobediance. Yes they probably will be met with violence on occasion just as Dr King was and Ghandi was and the South Africans were. Our committment to non violence will give us the upperhand and legitimize our movemnet in the eyes of the world. If we really want to end the occupation this is the way to do it. More attacks against Israel will only bring about signifcantly more devastation to the Palestinina people. But this type of orginization will grant popular support from Americans and others abroad and can work in concert with foregin groups and others. I suggest that we as muslims if we have the money should go to Palestinian and help the International Solidarity Movement you can vist their website at www.freepalestinecampaign.org. We must work together with non muslims to gain support for the Palestine cause for liberation from this brutal occupation. Violence against civilians will only bring out retaliation against us. We must unite behind a common dream a peacefull world where justice exists for all muslim and non muslim. We must enjoin the good and forbid what is wrong and never return an evil act with more evil. Allah Knows best Yunus |
| 08/07/02 at 20:13:33 |
| yunus |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 08/07/02 at 20:07:34 |
| yUNUS, I LIKE YOUR THINKING, JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW, oopps, sorry about the caps. |
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