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stap
08/06/02 at 11:20:07
Oh well, what do you expect from someone heavily backed by fundamentalist Christians...
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Bush Denounces 'False Religion'
Thu Aug 1, 2:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) - After President Bush condemned "some kind of false religion" for motivating Mideast terror attacks, his spokesman hastened to emphasize Thursday that the president believes Islam is a peaceful religion.

In a picture-taking session with Jordan's King Abdullah, Bush said he grieved for the seven people killed in a bomb blast in Jerusalem on Wednesday, including five Americans.

"I just, I cannot speak strongly enough about how we must collectively get after those who kill in the name of some kind of false religion," Bush said.

Asked about the remark, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Bush was referring to terrorists who distort Islam to justify violence.

"The president believes very deeply that Islam is a religion of peace," he said. "There are people who use the pretext of religion as an excuse to kill Jews, to kill Israelis, and now to kill Americans. And the president will oppose that with every fiber in his body."

Muslims were angered last year when Bush described his war against terrorism as a "crusade." The Crusades were wars fought in the Middle Ages after Christian armies traveled to Palestine, or what is now Israel, to attack the Muslim armies that then controlled Jerusalem.
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
ltcorpest2
08/06/02 at 13:14:51
i am not sure what he said that was wrong,  he said that Islam was a religion of peace and I know he has said this on several occasions.  Do you think that terrorists are following the true path of Islam?  As a christian, i would consider people such as aryan nation or others who murder or who have hatred of other peoples using God's name as a false religion.  Would that not be the same for muslims in regards to people who us Islam to murder?  
  While his use of the word crusades has a different meaning to muslims, in the general lexicon of Americans crusades is not used as a religious term.
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
humble_muslim
08/06/02 at 14:18:47
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What gets to me is that ISLAM is being signalled out when any kind of event occurs against Israelis.  But no-one looks at the facts, which is that a whole nation of people have been treated worse than animals for 30 years, and then everyone accepts them to take it lying down.  What about the balcks in South Africa who were treated like this for so many years? When they fought back (and some of the things they did were really vicious), no-one was surprised.  Oppression only begets oppression, and that is why everyone in Occupied Palestine is acting in an oppressive way. So back to my first question, why bring Islam into it ? No-one talked about "black militants" during the apartheid years, simply about an oppressed people.

Until this attitude that Palestinians deserve no land, no rights, no jobs, no water, etc, changes from the mental states of people such as Bush, he will be blinded to their plight, and only see one side of the story.  I don't see Bush talking about a "false nation" when Israel mercilessly murders 13 civilians, including 9 kids, with American supplied missiles.

The basic fact is that most Americans (NOT all - look at Mwishka, Cynthia Mckinely, etc) have been bought out by the Jews to look at the Palestinians as nothing more than bunch of stray mongrel dogs, including so-called "Christians" such as Franklin Graham and Paul Harvey.  In the Quran, this is referred to as selling the hereafter for this world.  All such people will face the truth on the Day of Judgement, when EVERY injustice ever committed on the history of the earth will be redressed, and you will be questioned about every cent you ever earned.


"The president believes very deeply that Islam is a religion of peace," he said. "There are people who use the pretext of religion as an excuse to kill Jews, to kill Israelis, and now to kill Americans. And the president will oppose that with every fiber in his body."

And they are Americans who use the pretext of National Security to kill muslims, to kill Afgahnis, to kill Iraqis, to kill Palestinians, to kill Panamaians, to kill Grenadians, etc. etc.

NS
08/06/02 at 14:22:46
humble_muslim
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
Ameeraana
08/06/02 at 22:57:46
The thing that Americans and President Bush are trying so hard not to see is the oppression and the suffering of the Palestinian people.  Many Americans rely on the media for the information of the current affairs of the world.  
  For instance, There was an email I received showing several pictures in sequence of the IDF detaining two Palestinians, harrasing them, releasing one of them, then in the next scene the one the kept was dead with blood around his head, then, the next photo showed the IDF removing pieces of clothing from the dead Palestinian, then they showed a that robot moving in as if the dead Palestinian had been carrying explosives.
 The next week in Time magazine what did I see?  The last photo showing the robot near the dead Palestinian with a caption of something like "the Investigation of a Palestinian suicide-bomber".  Sickning.  Of course I wrote to them, sent them the original photos, and what do you think, did they respond?  Of course not!!

These "terrorists" as Americans are calling the Palestinian defenders, are the sons and daughters of Sharon's and Israel's continuing oppression and occupation.  And yet, even thought the world know Israel keeps inching in and building on Palestinian land, when they go and kill those Palestinians who are "terrorizing" them, the Israelis are the "defenders"

Most Americans don't care and so won't learn about the truth and just blow it off as if the Palestinians are whining and greedy poeple.
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
mwishka
08/07/02 at 11:08:10
mike,

this is what you said:
[i]i am not sure what he said that was wrong[/i],  he said that Islam was a religion of peace and I know he has said this on several occasions.

but this is the what gw bush said that was being referred to:
those who kill in the name of [i]some kind of false religion[/i]

this is not at all a question of whether he thinks the religion of islam is peaceful or not.  and i personally think he still doesn't have any idea what islam is or who muslims are, and just parrots whatever he heard from his advisers as the statement he should be making.

he called islam a "false religion", he did NOT say the plane men were practicing a false version of islam.  i'm not sure why you're choosing to miss that.  i know you would not like to hear - and do not like to hear - muslims refer to christianity as a not-right practice, which is sort of akin to calling it a false religion, but in the context of it's only a precursor to islam, and is not false in the sense of being completely wrong.

this bush guy just doesn't know what he's talking about nearly all of the time, and all of us, you included, might be better off if he, first of all, were not allowed out of the oval office starting now, and secondly, got a note from his wife "first" saying george, oops, i mean "43", has to stay home from now on and can't be president anymore.

mwishka

(um bro hamayoun, i was sure surprised to see this li'l mouse's name come up in your reply..... hee heee  not sure i belong there - not exactly um in any sort of category except um "noisy local rodent".......  ;) )
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
ltcorpest2
08/07/02 at 12:41:19
he called islam a "false religion", he did NOT say the plane men were practicing a false version of islam.  i'm not sure why you're choosing to miss that.  


i am not sure why everyone has to assume that what  Americans say as always being negative.  I have said it here on numerous occasions that I do not blame muslims or Islam for what some people who claim Islam as their faith do in regards to the trade center, the embassy bombing danile peral etc.  but many on here take it as an attack, or somehow want to defend those actions.  It seems like many people on here look for the worst, and you can always find it if that is all you are looking for.  The obvious context is about terrorism and the killing of civilians,  why isn't that plainly plainly obvious?  Look at the quote in the original,  it was referring not to mulsims in general but to those who kill in the name of religion.  


and i personally think he still doesn't have any idea what islam is or who muslims are,

That may be true, but it is only a wild conjecture on your part.


Until this attitude that Palestinians deserve no land, no rights, no jobs, no water, etc, changes from the mental states of people such as Bush, he will be blinded to their plight, and only see one side of the story.  I don't see Bush talking about a "false nation" when Israel mercilessly murders 13 civilians, including 9 kids, with American supplied missiles.

The basic fact is that most Americans (NOT all - look at Mwishka, Cynthia Mckinely, etc) have been bought out by the Jews to look at the Palestinians as nothing more than bunch of stray mongrel dogs, including so-called "Christians


Hamayoun,  when has the American public's perception of the palestinian's right to land and water changed?  I am sorry for being disrespectufl, but you are way way off base.  Many Christians send supplies and aid to the palestinians and many other Islamic peoples because they care about them.  I would consider myself a "so called christian" .  Do you think that I look at them as stray mongrel dogs?

Amarreena,  the American people do see it.  But we see other things also,  We see Arafat as being unable to negotiate anything with hIsrael,  And if he did and sign a final peace treaty with Israel, my bet is that he would be assassianted within 2 months of doing so.
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
humble_muslim
08/07/02 at 18:11:19
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"Hamayoun,  when has the American public's perception of the palestinian's right to land and water changed?  I am sorry for being disrespectufl, but you are way way off base.  Many Christians send supplies and aid to the palestinians and many other Islamic peoples because they care about them.  I would consider myself a "so called christian" .  Do you think that I look at them as stray mongrel dogs?"

First of all, I was not talking about the American public, but about Bush and others of his kin such as Franklin Graham, Paul Harvey, Lou Dobbs, Calmity and Holmes, Alan Keyes, etc.  But since you bring it up ... if the "American public" did not regard the Palestinians as non-humans, why do they allow billions of dollars of arms to be given to Israel to euthanise them ?  The only presedential candidate who said he would stop aid to Israel was Ralph Nader, and he was rejected by the "American public".  Ergo, the "American public", by means of the beloved ballot box, has decreed that it is okay for billions of dollars of THEIR money to be used for extermination purposes.

As for the Chrstian attitude, yes, there are some Christians who can see through the blur of falsehood (for example, check 'We Hold These Truths').  But you also have many other fundamental Christians who are 100% behind Israel, as we have discussed many times before.

Now I cringe badly when I see or hear of suicide bombings.  But why can't people, especially some of the prominent names I have mentioned,  realise that further opression is NEVER going to stop it ?  And that's the problem - that all "Americans" whose views get aired are giving the impression that the Palestinians are stray, mongrel dogs.
NS
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
muqaddar
08/07/02 at 18:32:52
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a fox thats been locked up with a roomful of chickens
and no farmer

law cannot go where enforcement will not follow
Re: Bush on Islam: "Some kind of false religion...
yunus
08/07/02 at 20:23:57
The fact is that Bush who claims to be a born again chiristian who claims to follow the bible is a hypocrite. His actions show he does not care about justice or peace. For someone who comes from a tradition that exposes loving your enemy and says that the peace makers shall be called the sons of God. Does more to undermine peace and promotes more terror and violence than any one alive to day in my mind. I would heed anything this man has to say since he is an idiot and a hypocrite. Instead of focusing on the little details we should activly be working against this man and his administration (who was not even elected) since he poses a major threat for peace for the world and threatens our civil liberties the environment our economy etc etc. We should be working to prtest this mand actions and make jihad against hi administration by commiting ourselves to the best type of jihad the prophet pbuh spoke of speaking a true word in front ot a tyranical ruler. We need to make sure this man is not reelected and must educate people about how idiotic his proposals are and how his foreigner policy poses the biggest threat to our security


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