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| saadia |
| 08/07/02 at 09:05:39 |
| [slm] If not, here's a link for all those in the US who have yet to do so: [url]https://ssl.capwiz.com/congressorg/nvra/[/url] don't make me call you out because I know a handful of you personally and know if you are or not! This is important, I hear people talk about how terrible their congressperson or President etc is, well, it's definetly time to do something about it! [wlm] |
| Re: Are you registered to vote? |
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| yunus |
| 08/07/02 at 20:42:07 |
| I agree if you dont like what is going on get involved. To many people have abdicated their democratic responsiblitys and this has put politicians in the pockets of special intrest groups, and corporations. A democracy implise that you take part. Further a democracy is much more than voting once every four years if you dont like what is happening speak out write a letter organize a protest these rights are guarnteed under the consitiution. Also a word of advice if you choose to vote never trust a republican and never vote for one. Also the democratic party is pretty bad i like to refer to them as republican "lite". The only good democrats in office I can thing of are African Amercians one while the rest basically dont differ that much from their republican counterparts |
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| bhaloo |
| 08/08/02 at 01:46:37 |
| [slm] The choices last time were pretty bad a choice between 2 devils. I know there was a big debate last time about voting or not voting, this was from islam-qa.com. Question: Some Moslems in a non Islamic country are asking if it is OK to participate in the elections there and vote for non Moslem groups or parties. They claim that it would serve the Moslem community there if a certain group won the elections? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. This is a matter concerning which rulings may differ according to different circumstances in different times and places. There is no absolute ruling that covers all situations, both real and hypothetical. In some cases it is wrong to vote, such as when the matter will have no effect on the Muslims, or when the Muslims have no effect on the outcome of the vote. In this case voting or not voting is all the same. The same applies in cases where all the candidates are equally evil or where they all have the same attitude towards Muslims… It may be the case that the interests of Islam require Muslims to vote so as to ward off the greater evil and to reduce harmful effects, such as where two candidates may be non-Muslims but one of them is less hostile towards Muslims than the other, and Muslims’ votes will have an impact on the outcome of the election. In such cases there is nothing wrong with Muslims casting their votes in favour of the less evil candidate. In any case, this is the matter of ijtihaad based on the principle of weighing up the pros and cons, what is in the interests of Islam and what is detrimental. With regard to this matter, we have to refer to the people of knowledge who understand this principle. We should put the question to them, explaining in detail the circumstances and laws in the country where the Muslim community is living, the state of the candidates, the importance of the vote, the likely benefits, and so on. No one should imagine that anyone who says that it is OK to vote is thereby expressing approval or support for kufr. It is done in the interests of the Muslims, not out of love for kufr and its people. The Muslims rejoiced when the Romans defeated the Persians, as did the Muslims in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) when the Negus defeated those who had challenged his authority. This is well known from history. Whoever wants to be on the safe side and abstain from voting is allowed to do so. This response applies only to elections for influential positions. And Allaah knows best. |
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| Kashif |
| 08/10/02 at 10:42:22 |
| assalaamu alaikum Out of interest does anyone have any experiences of something good that happened as a result of taking part in the democratic process at this level? Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 08/10/02 at 12:42:44 |
In some cases it is wrong to vote, such as when the matter will have no effect on the Muslims, or when the Muslims have no effect on the outcome of the vote. In this case voting or not voting is all the same that is an interesting take on voting, so are muslims the only people who count or you care about? |
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| bhaloo |
| 08/10/02 at 14:32:38 |
| [slm] [quote] that is an interesting take on voting, so are muslims the only people who count or you care about?[/quote] I think you have misunderstood the question. The question is, are Muslims allowed to vote in a non-Muslim state. The question is being asked because Muslims know that the only correct way to rule is by Islamic shariah. So therefore this question was asked, because there are many Muslims living in non-Muslim countries. The sheikh addressed the question, and thats all that the question addresses, it doesn't address in any way the question you are asking. |
| 08/10/02 at 14:33:09 |
| bhaloo |
| Re: Are you registered to vote? |
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| Palestine__Love |
| 08/10/02 at 15:36:18 |
| [slm] Did you guys know that Muslims are a big influence in U.S. voting? In a book called- Silent No More:Confronting America's False Images of Islam By: Paul Findley Paul Findley was a member of congress for 22 years. Anyway, he wrote about the Muslim Bloc voting success. And he used examples around the U.S. about how Muslim voters made a big difference in voting. The best example is the one with Al Gore/Bill Bradley/Joe Lieberman/George Bush. Mr. Findley wrote that when Al Gore and Bill Bradley were running together, they had a good chance of winning.When Bradley dropped out of the race, most of his muslim support went to Gore. In June, a poll of 755 muslims, commissioned by American Muslim Alliance, showed 33 % for Gore and 28 % for Bush.In the 8 final weeks of the campaign, Muslilm support for Bush nearly doubled. During the presidential campaign, Muslilms were largely ignored by Gore. When Lieberman became Gore's running mate. Muslims started voting for Bush,because Lieberman and Gore were very Pro-israel. Bush denounced secret evidence in hearings on the deportation of immigrants. He denounced secret evidence as "not the American way" Muslims regarded the secret-evidence controversy as a major issue and took Bush's declaration as a promise of ckrrective action if he became president. Most Muslims believe they are the main target of secret evidence. All what I just typed came from Paul Findley's book. I wish I could give you word for word from the book how Muslims voting is a big influence in the US voting. But then I would run out of space. If you want to know more-get the book. ***see book review in international House of Kabob*** |
| 08/10/02 at 15:40:42 |
| Palestine__Love |
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