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September 11th
bhaloo
08/07/02 at 23:54:57
[slm] September 11th is coming up, how do y'all feel?  Scared?  Nervous?  Going to stay indoors and lock the doors? ??? I saw from one of the airlines out here (Southwest) an ad  to fly to a nearby state (Las Vegas, Nevada) from my state after September 3rd for $39 roundtrip.  I guess airlines are expecting business to be down in september.
08/08/02 at 01:26:21
bhaloo

Re: September 11th
Aurora
08/08/02 at 00:12:26
I feel normal, I mean bad stuff happens, and sure it might slow you down for a while, but it doesn't mean you have to rearrange your whole life around it. The world keeps turning, the night's darkness will still blanket the light of the day and sunrise will follow sunset, the tides will draw in and out, etc, etc, in other words: life goes on. If people remain stuck on every hardship that comes their way, we'll never get anywhere.

Re: September 11th
Barr
08/08/02 at 07:07:14
Assalamu'alaikum :-) Well, actually, I thought of going back to the UK, coz, I'm expecting tickets to be cheap. Though I received comments about "Aren't you afraid of the anniversary" kinda thing. But.. hmm.. I'm not kinda bothered. If the terrorist are gonna strike, they'd probably do in the most unexpected way. But if I'm to die in one of those "expected" attacks, then, at least, I can hope for shahid. In addition to what Aurora said, I'm not gonna let the terrorists and things like this rule my life. I will take safety and precautionary measures.. but I won't go all nervous, and overboard abt things. Allah would protect us. But something cropped up, and so, that trip's gonna be cancelled.  :( I just hope my other plans flying off somewhere else wouldn't. InshaAllah. Wassalam! :-) P.S. Hmm, maybe, I can say all of this becoz, I'm just living in a tiny island far from the madding crowd???
08/08/02 at 07:11:19
Barr

Re: September 11th
eleanor
08/08/02 at 08:37:12
[slm] My friend is getting married on Sept. 7th and I am going home for a long weekend. I am going over on the 5th and coming back on the 10th. To be perfectly honest, while booking the flight I never even thought about 9-11. The only reason I booked the 10th is coz I can't take any more days off college  :'( Otherwise I would have been perfectly happy to fly on 9-11. I heard some airline in America is offering free flights on 9-11, to thank their customers for their continued loyalty after the attacks?? I'd take advantage of that if I were living in US. I wouldn't be afraid to fly because when your time is up, your time is up. Whether you are crossing the road, sitting in a plane or sleeping in your bed. Allahu Ahlam

Re: September 11th
Muneerah134
08/08/02 at 10:01:21
[quote author=eleanor link=board=bebzi;num=1028778897;start=0#3 date=08/08/02 at 08:37:12] [slm] I wouldn't be afraid to fly because when your time is up, your time is up. Whether you are crossing the road, sitting in a plane or sleeping in your bed. Allahu Ahlam [/quote] [slm] My thought exactly, if it is going to find you, it will find you whether you are on an airplane, in the kitchen, or in the bathroom  ;). I have no problem flying now or at any time. It is still the quickest way to get from point "a" to point "b".  No one has asked me about the anniversary here yet. There have been lots of comments through the year though about my making Hajj the year before - "aren't you glad you went last year?" and the best one, "will Hajj be cancelled this year because of 9-11?"  :o :o (veeerrry good dawah opportunity that I seized immediately!) We tend to think we will live forever, forgetting that "every soul will taste death" We commemorate the deaths of thousands at Pearl Harbor, now NYC. I guess folks in other countries do too. There have been thousands killed in ways and places that we probably don't know about yet. I didn't even think about it, I have been so busy. The first time was when the other day they announced some plans going on here at Penn (Univ of Pennsylvania) for some kind of memorial. They stopped short of giving us the day off though.  ;) :-) Muneerah  []

Re: September 11th
theOriginal
08/08/02 at 11:59:15
[slm] Aww shucks!  Scared? NO.  A little excited perhaps.  lol, Okay maybe I'm the only sadist around, but I can't wait to see the amount of money that Bush uses to enforce security, all of which, need I remind you, will be taken from taxpayers as opposed to that hefty income the US receives from drug dealing.  Homefront Security, my leftest toe!! (i.e. the small toe on my left foot.)   As for the Airline thingy.  I heard about Southwest too.  The thing I find increasingly amusing is that Americans are the only people deft enough to actually think that airline travel is becoming obsolete because of 9/11.  Unfortunately, they are deft, and HIGHLY convincing, so the rest of the world begins to believe them too.  In fact, the one of the nominees for the Nobel Laureate in Economics (more commonly known as the Annual University of Chicago Alumni Award - which automatically proves that not all Americans are deft) wrote a paper on this (published wayyyy before 9/11) showing that the airline industry is headed for the dump.  Funny, really.  It really has to do with market dynamics, but I'd need a lot of space, and about three hundred graphs to show you why.  So in essence, yes airline travel may have decreased quite a bit in the days that followed 9/11, BUT (oh and it's a big BUT), I don't see it making much of a difference in the lives of the general public anymore. However, I digress.  So you mention locking doors...is that because...? we are fearing a repeat attack?  Let's just pray that there isn't someone stupid enough to do that, insha Allah.  Or else, golly gee, we'd have to witness another show of extreme American patriotism, and I don't know if I could take another dose of that within such a short timeframe. Take most care, brothers and sisters. SF.

Re: September 11th
AyeshaZ
08/08/02 at 14:33:43
Asalamu Alykum, I was flipping through some old pics yesterday and sure enough the WTC pics came out... Freaky Subhan'Allah how time passes by soo fast, i can't believe sept is next month... But insha'Allah i'll be at school!!!

Re: September 11th
muqaddar
08/08/02 at 16:22:07
[slm] We'll be praying for you guys. Your not alone

Re: September 11th
flyboy_nz
08/09/02 at 07:25:49
[slm], a'ight the deal in NZ is that we're gonna  be proactive and try to thwart any prejudice or racial attacks by calling for a memorial day, call faith groups together, hold mosque open days and do some major da'wah... quite a few Universities down here are planing Islam Awareness Weeks in Sept.. i think this coming month we'll be more active than we've ever been, insha'Allah. US muslims are planning the same right? wasalaam, ;-)Ahmed

Re: September 11th
Maliha
08/09/02 at 07:51:58
[slm] I think proactivity is the best way to go about it. We can't hide forever!! Just yesterday our imam was on a local talk radio show, and the host was just ranting and raving about september 11 and how we need more racial profiling etc. "Forget about being politically correct we know who the enemies are...This is a war on terror"..I couldn't believe half the words he was spewing out of his mouth  >:(We need to continue educating people, and escalating dawah activities before and after, but especially around that time. We've been quiet for too long and our silence is coopting the death of the ummah :( Maliha [wlm]

Re: September 11th
Palestine__Love
08/10/02 at 17:14:09
[slm] September 11th. will be like any other day for me.  Although I am sad by what happened in NYC, I don't see how the terrosist attacks there are any different from the ones that happen daily in Palestine, Kashmir, Pakistan and all over the world.   God Forbid anybody here becomes a victim of a hate-crime.  Sadly, there will always be racists against Muslims, because they are suffering Islamophobia.  And you will always here some loud mouth-news radio host saying untrue things about Islam.  May Allah(SWT) help them.

Re: September 11th
ltcorpest2
08/11/02 at 16:17:14
wow,  those are some intersting comments,  not one about maybe praying for the familes and friends that will be hurting on that day,  i guess only the selfish people with no hearts for humanity bothered to answer the question

Re: September 11th
Palestine__Love
08/11/02 at 16:59:08
[slm] First of all, sorry if I sounded selfish in my comment. It came out all wrong. I feel very, very bad for all the victims and their familes of 9-11. They were innocent people and there were Muslims in the WTC bombing.  Believe me when I say I did cry for the 9-11 victims.  Now alot of kids are w/out parents. But what I ment in my last comment was, how is the 9-11 event different from whats going on all over the world-Middle East-Pakistan-Kashmir, etc.  I am sad when innocent people die, the way the 9-11 victims died was very disturbing.   This may shock you but I do pray for people who are inncent victims and their family. When I hear that a Palestinian was killed by an israeli, I cry, I pray for them (both the Palestinian and the israeli-for Allah*SWT* to clean the israeli soliders' hate) and then I get on with my day.

Re: September 11th
Kashif
08/11/02 at 17:51:28
[quote author=ltcorpest2 link=board=bebzi;num=1028778897;start=0#11 date=08/11/02 at 16:17:14]wow,  those are some intersting comments,  not one about maybe praying for the familes and friends that will be hurting on that day,  i guess only the selfish people with no hearts for humanity bothered to answer the question[/quote] assalaamu alaikum Oh yes Mike, be sure that we'll pray for the Afghan civilians who died in Afghanistan post Sept-11, those who we can group under the heading "collateral damage." We'll also pray for the in-excess of 1000 innocent American Arabs/Muslims who have been kept in detention by way of secret evidence since that date. We'll also be praying for the thousands and thousands of those in Tajikistan and China and across the world where ruling tyrannies have mirrored President Bush's "War on Terrorism" speeches and cracked down and tortured using America's behaviour as an excuse to justify their own. Kashif Wa Salaam
NS

Re: September 11th
Aabidah
08/11/02 at 17:57:11
[slm] [quote] wow,  those are some intersting comments,  not one about maybe praying for the familes and friends that will be hurting on that day,  i guess only the selfish people with no hearts for humanity bothered to answer the question [/quote] Itcorpest2, please refrain from insulting the members of the board, you have no right to do so.   We are all sad by the outcome of 9/11 and pray that Allahu SubhanaHu Wata'ala will heal everyone's hearts.  Everyone has a different way of showing how they feel, and just because it wasn't put into words, you cannot say that we don't have a heart for humanity.   Getting back to the question, i am not afraid of 9/11, and whatever happens will happen, wAllahu A3lam.  may Allahu SubhanaHu Wata'ala protect all of us and give us the patience and strength to get through these times and what's to come in the future, ameen. [wlm] Betul

Re: September 11th
ltcorpest2
08/11/02 at 18:01:20
i pray for afghanistan every day also,  and the palestinians.  the tadjiks and the chinese don't happen to be on my prayer list.  but you can only pray for so many people.  but it still begs the question, Why is it that no one with a heart has responded with a kind thought for the people who lost love ones on 9-11?  or do you want to take a tradgedy and take a shot at americans?

Re: September 11th
BroHanif
08/11/02 at 18:02:22
[slm] [quote]wow,  those are some intersting comments,  not one about maybe praying for the familes and friends that will be hurting on that day,  [/quote] I'm sure Mike you cried for those people in Vietnam as well, just as you cried for those who were killed on Hiroshima when the good old US of A dropped a bomb of mass destruction and terror. I'm sure me and you will be crying for those innocent Afghany civilians who died at the recent blunder wedding bomb or the many events where the trigger happy marines blasted local civilians on the guise that they were Al-Qaida. I'm sure we will be crying for everyone everywhere.... I don't see Sept 11th as an annual day I see it every day... when children are dying of famine in Africa because they can't find food and the mothers natural milk has dried up. I see Sept 11th every day in Palestine when people are living in corrugated sheets of steel and living out of refuse bags. Where is the justice there ??? This isn't a rant about Anti America or similiar matters what I find the injustice is that there are millions of people living around the world. Nobody hears their plight, nobody feels their pain, nbobody is there to pray for them, nor is there any one to give them a shoulder to cry on. They wake up each day thinking that its the very last, many of them see death as their only hope of escaping the mental torture upon them. I really do wish that we removed our rose tinted glasses and see how much suffering goes on in this world of ours. Rather than just griefing for a nation, grief for the world and the mess its in. Hanif

Re: September 11th
jannah
08/11/02 at 18:03:32
Maybe no one mentioned it because it is inherently obvious. I haven't seen you write a word about any suffering Muslims or NonMuslims for that matter anywhere on the board. Should I assume you're heartless AND that your faith teaches you to be so?

Re: September 11th
theOriginal
08/11/02 at 21:03:37
[slm] Oh my gosh!  okay since I began the spew of "heartless comments"  (I also think I was the only one...scrolling through the comments), allow me to present my own defence. I am at best an economist, who by the way, are famous for their relentless inhumane front in the view of world matters.  But since September 11th has now revolved into a Political symbol, I fail to see the justification to view it as anything else.  I was merely pointing out the logistics of this upcoming anniversary, certainly nothing more and nothing less. Yes, I hurt.  Ignoring everything that came before 9/11, and everything after it as well, and by viewing the WTC as a secluded event, yes it was very sad indeed.  But what gives right to turn this day into another ritualistic joke.  Much like everything else, I am seriously disgusted by how the day is being planned in New York, where they are going to have a moment of silence at the time that the very first plane hit the towers, and on and on and on.  I cannot articulate WHY I think that it is wrong.  but it just harbors a feeling of extreme concern for ethical justification. Again, since I cannot explain how I feel, or WHY I feel this way, all I can say is that I'm sorry.  Apology in effect foranyone my initial post may have offended (Including Itcorpest).   Wassalaam. SF.

Re: September 11th
sofia
08/11/02 at 21:34:11
[Side comment: While 9/11 may symbolize something to the average American, it reflects a LOT of other things to Muslim-Americans and Muslims, worldwide. While there were Muslim vicitims (that we hear little, if anything, about), there are also Muslim (and other, non-white) targets after 9/11 that experienced a "double whammy," if you will, that most other Americans have not experienced. If the terrorists come out and 'git us', they won't be checking to see which cities hold no Muslim populations, since there are hardly any, throughout the world.] As-salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah, Wasn't planning on anything special for 9/11, as I see no reason for glorifying that day, but there is a local church (actually, likely many throughout the country) that will be holding an interfaith vigil. I think it's a good idea for Muslims to attend these. Not because we need to be "apologists" for being "guilty by association," but because I think we need to step back and realize that 9/11 wasn't just about America. It didn't first occur on 9/11/01 or stop occuring since then. 9/11 happens all the time, sadly, and goes unheard of most of the time, as many have stated. What they'll be doing is having kids of all nationalities and faiths light a candle for all of these who died on 9/11. While I usually think this is tacky (and leaves out a LOT of other victims), I think it means something for a lot of people. What most of us fail to realize is that while a lot of families of 9/11 victims who speak about their tragedy on 60 minutes or 20/20 (these shows suck, btw) were white Americans, there were countless others who died, INCLUDING Muslims, on the planes and on the ground (and no, not the "Muslims" who hijacked the planes, either). What's most disturbing to me, is that those "illegal aliens" (who make up a large % of the labor-force in large cities) who worked at the WTC or in surrounding buildings, were not even counted among the dead.   May Allah have mercy on the souls of the innocent, save us from another tragedy like this (around the world), and show us truth as truth and help us accept it, and show us falsehood as falsehood and help us stay far from it.
NS
08/11/02 at 21:37:59
sofia

Re: September 11th
Aurora
08/11/02 at 23:04:54
>>>as I see no reason for glorifying that day, <<< My thoughts exactly. I don't see any reason why the world has to come to a standstill. If Americans want to mourn the loss of life, innocence, etc, they can go ahead. But treating sept.11 2002, as just another day, is not a crime, and its not disrespectful in any way, nor is it heartless. Life goes on. Life can be cruel, it can be full of heartache and anguish but its not something thats confined to a single moment, its like water flowing in a river, it goes on, passes the hurdles that lie in its way,  unless we want to build a dam, keeping that water still, keeping those emotions in, i mean its natural to feel sorrow, feel a sense of loss, etc, but its nots natural to keep it close to you forevermore, life goes on, and one should let go. Instead of putting one's energy into memorial services, moment of silence ceremonies, building monuments and the like, wouldn't it be better to devote that energy to some worthy cause? Bad things happen. But that doesn't mean life comes to a standstill. Maybe i'm rambling, but I just feel that sometimes enough is enough. The life of an American isn't any more or any less than that of a person from any other country. Yet it seems, that the opposite idea, (i.e. that Americans are a step higher than everyone else) is being constantly drilled into our psyche. And perhaps its that realization, that allows a trace of bitterness to taint one's sympathy. 8/td>

Re: September 11th
bhaloo
09/14/02 at 03:01:36
[slm] At my work, they made an announcement over the speaker system that employees that wish to participate in the memorial may do so in 5 minutes (10 am).  Most people went, they did the pledge of allegiance, dedicated a plaque, the CEO said some words, there was some music played, Danny Boy, a moment of silence was observed, fire and police departments participated as well, and the ceremony was over.  It seemed like they went really overboard at my company, there's about 1,000 people working here.
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