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| Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missiles! |
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| Seiful_Islam |
| 08/12/02 at 04:23:15 |
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH [slm] Children of Iraq! Be ready for Uncle Sam Missiles! By: Seiful Islam The American war will be continued against Islam. America has attacked and destroyed Afghanistan. They have killed thousands of innocent people there. Those victims didnot know why they were killed! and they didn't know who killed them! Now America (Israel) is moving to our beloved Holy Land to kill and destroy everything without mercy as if they are hunting deers in the forest! They killed infants, babies, children, women, men, elders, and young. Even animals and plants were not saved. Buildings, houses, farms, factories, shops, mosques, churches have been destroyed. We can not describe the tragic genocide by words. It is impossibe to describe it. The black hair of a young boy will fall and turn to white when hearnig or watching what is going on in Palestine! it is a horrible carnage against humanity. The history and our next generation will NEVER NEVER forgive the Arab leaders because they were silent. Who is next after Palestine? Lebanon..Our beloved land..The land of revolution and scrifice..The land of freedom and resistance. Amrica (Israel) is plannig to attack Lebanon. They know that the Arabs and Muslim leaders will never do any thing to stop them. Therefore, they will continue their dirty and ugly war against Islam and Islamic countries untill they destroy and invade all our beloved countries. The world is watching in a horrible silence. We just hear some shy words from some people. Some leaders exploited this tragedy to make heroes out of themselves. The criminal agent Saddam was a good example. He is trying to be a hero of Palestine! Who is next after Lebanon? Iraq will be the forth victim. Our bloved children of Iraq. They are waiting for Uncle Sam missles. The new American threats against Iraq doesn't agitate the shudder in the bodies just because it means more killing and destruction against the besiegd Iraqi people, but beside that, it indicates that the American (Israeli) terrorism against the countries and the people of the world, has reached an imaginable point! What is tragic is that the world-which is controlled by America-is completetly unable to divert its decisions. It is unable to find a legitimate justification for its criminal deeds. Some has chosen to be silent under the influence of money, some by blackmailing, and everyone is scared of that moment at which the American wild beast turn against them. All the past experiences had proved that this beast is crazy without being injured! But the question is: Will this bloody craziness continue? and whom the next victim will be? We know that America choose its victims carefully. They choose Iraq, Sudan, Sumal, Afghanistan, Banama, Libya, Vietnam, Phiippines Cuba , Colombia and Palestine. The common factor among these victims is that they don't have enough military power compared to the modern nuclear weapons the USA has. Therefore, all the attacks against these countries will be violent, destructive, barbaric, savage, and merciless. Besides, America doesnot need any justifaction to attack these victims. The bloody desires against Iraq still have the same vigor, as if the economic sanctions had not killed a million yet, as if the destruction didn't include everything in Iraq, as if the American planes were not flying over our cities and villages in order to find new targets other than schools, farms, factories, and children. This is the hobby of the pilots to shoot and kill randomly! Today America is looking for another blood bath. The children of Iraq must be ready becuse Uncle Sam is coming with more missles, more bombs, and more coffins! |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| jannah |
| 08/12/02 at 05:35:40 |
| [wlm] a little dramatic but the interesting (sad) thing is that many political analysts agree with you. however they predict the "war without end's" next victim will be Iraq, and will continue from there. |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| remote |
| 08/12/02 at 05:45:51 |
| [slm] It is sad to see muslims accusing others of being dramatic when muslim blood is about to be spilt. These are the same people who have unislaamic pictures of "vigils" on thier front pages when Americans die. When Afghans died we have any pictures of vigils for the dead Afghans on this front page? Will we have any for Iraq? Certainly not. But if there were to be another attack on the US with thousands more Americasn dying, we will surely have more vigils and pictures on the front pages of this site. This site is all about appeasing the Kaafirs. May Allah (awj) Open the eyes of these appeasing muslims to see the hypocrisy and double standards with which they function. |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| Kashif |
| 08/12/02 at 07:15:21 |
| assalaamu alaikum remote i think thats a completely incorrect analysis of jannah's post. You are a new member of this board and you're immediately jumping to conclusions based on a few glimpses of what you've seen on only a few pages of the site. I don't want to close the thread before jannah is given a chance to respond. Ameen to your du'a, although its rare that you find a person deserving of that du'a on this board, insha'allah. Kashif Wa Salaam |
| NS |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| dirt |
| 08/12/02 at 08:00:38 |
| [slm] Whoa there remote, I think you need to learn some control...... ... remote control [wlm] |
| NS |
| 08/12/02 at 08:59:45 |
| Kashif |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| remote |
| 08/12/02 at 08:17:10 |
| [slm] Nice pun, remote control lol! I apologise if my message came across agressive. I would like to know why we have pictures of vigils on the front page for the dead Americans, and no memorial for the Afghans who died in the US's revenge attacks? Many more Afghans are dead. But no vigil, no memorial for them. No words of sympathy, and no support on the front page. is the blood of the Afghan muslims so worthless, or lesser than that of American blood? |
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| humble_muslim |
| 08/12/02 at 08:48:27 |
| AA I know what u mean. But I think all muslims in the USA have been suffering from "guilt by association" over Sept. 11th, and this is something that will linger with them for a long, long, time. And I think there is a big difference between this guilt and appeasing the enemies. |
| NS |
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| Fatimah |
| 08/12/02 at 10:54:58 |
| [slm] We really need to be careful of what we say. Remember there are Angels writing down everything.... [quote]I would like to know why we have pictures of vigils on the front page for the dead Americans[/quote] Don't forget about how many Muslim brothers and sisters died in the WTC attack...This really hit close to home. [quote]This site is all about appeasing the Kaafirs.[/quote] Do you know how much effort has been put into this site?? Because of this sister whom you just attacked, I have found a family of good Muslims which I needed so badly. This is a place we can all come and enjoy and learn. I was deeply offended when I read your post. Do you know it's haram to talk to your brothers and sisters like this? May Allah forgive us and guide us all and help us to please Him... |
| 08/12/02 at 10:58:29 |
| Fatimah |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| remote |
| 08/12/02 at 11:34:14 |
| [slm] Again i ask the Question, why do we have no kind of cyber memorial on this site for the thousands of our muslim brothers and sisters who died in US terror strikes on Afghanistan? So your offended by what i said. I apologised once. I'm not going to apologise again. Some say muslims died on sept 11th. many more died after that in Afghanistan, why no memorial for them? The aim of this website seems to be to appease the kaafirs. I have yet to visit a kaafir website which had any memorials for the dead Afghans. Is the blood of Afghans cheap? Yes, to Americans and kaafirs its cheap. If the US is attacked again, we will have fatwa's posted on the front pages from government paid "scholars" about how evil the attacks are, yet no fatwa's about how evil the attacks on the Afghans are. |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| jannah |
| 08/12/02 at 13:03:15 |
| Amazing... it's like the other side of the coin of ltcorpest's recent post :) So I'll tell you what I told him. If something is so inherently obvious, why would you ASSUME otherwise, especially of your fellow Muslim. I also think you misinterpreted what I meant... I agreed with what you said except that most analysts predict Iraq is first, and found the writing style to be "dramatic". As for why there is no page for those innocent killed in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Muslim world... what a project. I've been in the Middle East myself this past year and just came home and will be leaving again soon. So I leave this job to you. Please create a page on this with the facts and information and I'll put it up when I come back InshaAllah. [quote]The aim of this website seems to be to appease the kaafirs. [/quote] The aim of this website is Dawah. If this isn't the [i]kind [/i] of dawah you're interested in or support or you disagree with, I suggest you give your naseeha and then go create your own site. |
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| Fatimah |
| 08/12/02 at 13:22:27 |
| [slm] [quote]If the US is attacked again, we will have fatwa's posted on the front pages from government paid "scholars" about how evil the attacks are, yet no fatwa's about how evil the attacks on the Afghans are.[/quote] This is slander against a bunch of scholars from around the world. :( Again, this is haram... What kind of fatwa would you want the scholars to give? We Muslims know killing Muslims is haram.. there is no need for a fatwa then. Or do you want to give a fatwa to kafirs telling them killing Muslims is haram? I've never heard of that before... I like the idea of putting up a page for all our brothers and sisters who got oppressed/murdered. Lets not just focus on Afghanistan and Iraq since this is what's in the media now, we need to remember all the Muslims all over the world who have suffered. May Allah make us all die for His sake and grant us forgiveness. |
| 08/12/02 at 13:25:53 |
| Fatimah |
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| Palestine__Love |
| 08/12/02 at 13:59:09 |
| [slm] The reason why you don't see memorials for Muslims in newspaper and etc. is because ALOT (NOT ALL) American people don't see Muslims as people. Or they don't take it as big news. Here in Missouri, alot of times when an israeli is killed by a sucide bomber in Palestine, there was front page coverage/memorial for those israeli. The American people need to realize that the United States is a Melting Pot. With sooo many Muslims that live in the U.S. I find it so ironic that the U.S. government say that they are against terrorism, but yet they practice it. |
| 08/12/02 at 14:01:28 |
| Palestine__Love |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| se7en |
| 08/12/02 at 19:00:40 |
| as salaamu alaykum, bro do you know jannah personally? If not, you are making *a lot* of assumptions and accusations about her based on nothing because you know nothing about her personal beliefs/views/thoughts. As she mentioned, jannah was out of the country during the time Afghanistan was bombed, and was thus *physically unable* to change the images on her front page. But you never even stopped to consider that perhaps the sister had reasonable justification for her actions. Perhaps in the future, you should give your brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt instead of tossing around false accusations. May Allah grant us all deliberation and care in the words we say and the accusations we make towards our brothers and sisters. wasalaam |
| 08/12/02 at 19:34:51 |
| se7en |
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| Sparrow |
| 08/12/02 at 20:20:23 |
| Hmmm, as a non-Muslim Madina hang-about I'm afraid I have to agree with remote. Why, since coming to this site I've been appeased into reading books like "Even Angels Ask" and "What Muslims Believe." I've been appeased into attending an "Islam in Focus" series at my local library, and have even extended my appeasement into correcting other non-Muslims when I hear them repeating false (usually media) perceptions of Islam. I wonder how many other non-Muslims have also come here and felt so dreadfully appeased? This site provides a place where those who have an interest in Islam and the Muslim world in general can broaden their horizons, and therefore should not be allowed to continue. Otherwise, a worldwide appeasement and eventual understanding between Muslims and non may occur, which might in turn lead to a world where memorials for butchered innocents (American or Afghan) are a thing of past, and then where would we be? Consider yourselves warned! ::) Sparrow |
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| Kashif |
| 08/13/02 at 03:26:28 |
| Good post Sparrow! *smile* |
| NS |
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| yunus |
| 08/13/02 at 05:36:19 |
| Remote there are americans "kafirs" that do care about the innocent loss of life in Palestine Afghanistan etc I know because I have worked with many "kafirs" to have vigils and rallys for palestinians and other brothers and sisters. I know this because i have helped orginized them and the sad thing is I was the only muslim there.I think that one of the biggest problems that i have seen in the muslim communities is the falure of muslims to be vocal and speak out against these actions. Muslims in America are to segregated from non muslims when at a time like this we need to be more vocal then ever. Also I think that it is a horrible act when any civilian is killed be it muslim jew christina etc The Qurna teaches us that if you kill one innocent person it is like you killed all of humanity. |
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| remote |
| 08/13/02 at 10:10:14 |
| [slm] nearly 10 months since Afghanistan was obliterated with thousands of our muslims murdered by US bombs. Still no memorial for them on this site. Sept 11th, thousands of non-muslims died, and immediately, within days, we had pictures of vigils for them. Nothing for our dead. Plenty for thier dead. Lots of fatwas and links to fatwas about how haramm terrorism is. But STILL no Fatwas about the permissibility of Jihad and taking up arms to defend the Afghan and other muslims. As i say, the boards are aimed at giving the non-muslims what they want to hear. Jihad, ij the opinions of some, will send the non-muslims running. So keep Jihad of the official aspects of the boards, to keep the kaafirs appeased. This Dawa is almost "apologetic" dawa. Apologetic because fundamental aspects of Islaam are missing. Many see Jihad as the sixth Pillar of Islaam, so it should get a lot of attention, especially at a time like this. Instead we get vigils :D And of course, anyone showing support for the Mujaahideen and for jihad is a no no. Especially on these boards. Whats that comment we hear so often "if you dont like our dawa, go elsewhere" which should be rephrased as "if you are gona talk of Jihad, go elsewhere, it isnt welcome here, the non-muslims will not like it." Will we have any fatwas on this site for Jihad, and promoting genuine Jihad? I wont hold my breath. [wlm] |
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| M.F. |
| 08/13/02 at 10:35:31 |
| Assalamu alaikum remote I'm trying to uderstand why you're choosing to attack this site out of so many. As the creator of the site has explained, the purpose for this website is for Da'wa. Da'wa means inviting others to Islam, and the way Allah has told us to do Da'wa is through wisdom and good advice. Now if the people who we want to invite to Islam see a fatwa about Jihad as soon as they come onto the site, that's not a very wise manner of inviting them to Islam, is it? It IS wise on the otherhand to let them know that most Muslims didn't dance on the street when the WTC attacks happened. Now why isn't there a memorial for the people who were murdered in Afghanistan? Why isn't there one for Palestinians, why isn't there one for Bosnians, Chechens and I can keep going on and on.... memorials are not as powerful or meaningful as du'aa that we do for our own brothers and sisters (of which people on this board constantly remind each other). Memorials are something that non Muslims appreciate a lot, and they appreciate seeign what they see on this page, but for Muslims I don't believe memorials are very meaningful. This is besides the other reasons sis jannah explained. There are other sites out there in cyberspace with fatawa on jihad if you want to visit them. The point is, this isn't one of those sites, the purpose is different, it's not about giving fatawa or calling for an uprise against kuffar, it's more about asking Allah go guide them and to help them understand Islam. May Allah bless and reward those who are doing this. |
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| remote |
| 08/13/02 at 12:08:03 |
| [slm] Sister you cannot pick and choose dawa. You cannot pick and choose what you want the non-muslims to hear because you feel they may like certain aspects of islaam and dislike others. To give dawa you simply tell them about islaam, all about islaam, from fasting, to prayer, to pilgrimage and also Jihad and self defence, martydom etc. You tell them it, and allow them to make up thier own minds. Some will embrace islaam, others will not. What you cannot do is pick and choose because if this person converts to islaam with limited knowledge, based on the dawa giver delibrately keeping things from them, then thier is a very real risk, as has happend on a number of occasions, that the new-convert, when they find out about things like jihad and Tax for non-believers, Shariah law and its punihsments for crimes, they will become disillusioned with islaam and leave islaam. Dawa must be real. Islaam is not like a sweet shop, you cannot pick and choose the bits you like most. Withholding knowledge is haraam, especially when it comes to Dawa. Wasalaam |
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| jannah |
| 08/13/02 at 16:34:18 |
| Mujaahid it's interesting that you criticize this website for our 'dawah' and yet you keep coming back here for the "good atmosphere" (as you told me once) even after you were banned. |
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| remote |
| 08/13/02 at 16:48:33 |
| [slm] Keep coming back? Do the other users know that your mods falsly accused Mujaahid of harassing a certain sister? When he went to the mods to find out why these accusations were being made, what response did he get? he got accused of harassing everyone! Thay failed to give the name of the sister who is supposed to have made these "accusations", almost certainly because she didnt exist. I see you've posted a news item on the bulleting about being like a blanket to each other? What hypocrisy. This, from the same people who falsely made up blatant lies accusing a totally innocent brother of harassment towards a sister. That has to be one of the worst accusations that can ever be made. What makes it worse is when its made by those muslims who are looked upto, or are in positions of authority! I wonder what the others will think if they know of the lie and false accusation made against Mujaahid. If you wanted to ban Mujaahid, that was perfectly fine, but to falsely accuse him of harassment, is, simply disgusting. May Allah remove the hypocrisy from this Ummah. Remote. |
| Re: Children of Iraq! Be Ready for Uncle Sam Missi |
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| jannah |
| 08/13/02 at 17:08:05 |
| [color=red] Thanks for your answer. The thread for why you were deleted is here for all to read :http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=media;action=display;num=1024823802 This is the only official response you ever received from the Madina. This was the reason for your deletion, which had been discussed for months prior. Any subsequent true/false information that [i] you [/i] have brought up or is being spread around did not come through official Madina channels. I'm sorry if you were falsely accused for something by someone, but our position is clear. You should lay your blame elsewhere. There's no need to drag out this sad chapter any longer. [/color] |
| 08/13/02 at 17:26:46 |
| jannah |
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