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Asim |
10/22/02 at 10:48:05 |
Assalaamu alaikum, Where (the heck) did people get this tradition of firecrackers and fireworks on the night of 15 shabaan. Is this done in other countries as well? P.S. As you can probably notice, they are driving me nuts! Yesterday was the 15th night here, and it was mad loud. Today, they still have left over fireworks (massive waste of money and time...and a nuisance in the neighborhood). I live on the outskirts of town about a 1/4 mile or so from a residential area...what would it be like living smack in the middle of it... P.P.S. No discussion about the Islamicness of this night please. Go to http://63.175.194.25/topics/middleshabaan/middle_of_shabaan.shtml for scholarly opinion. wasalaam. |
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A_Stranger |
10/22/02 at 14:35:56 |
[slm] , You sure people firework-ed (<-- ?) because it was the middle of Sha'baan? Or was it some Sikhs because it was Diwali? (Sikhs celebrate Diwali right? or is it Hindus..? ...a lil help please) I'm pretty sure it's because people were celebrating their festival of Diwali...i doubt people would innovate [i]that[/i] much... wallaahu a'lam. [wlm] |
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AyeshaZ |
10/22/02 at 16:22:18 |
[quote author=A_Stranger link=board=bebzi;num=1035298085;start=0#1 date=10/22/02 at 14:35:56] [slm] , You sure people firework-ed (<-- ?) because it was the middle of Sha'baan? Or was it some Sikhs because it was Diwali? (Sikhs celebrate Diwali right? or is it Hindus..? ...a lil help please) I'm pretty sure it's because people were celebrating their festival of Diwali...i doubt people would innovate [i]that[/i] much... wallaahu a'lam. [wlm] [/quote] Unfortunately, Bro Asim is talking about a Majority Muslim Country. :( |
10/22/02 at 16:23:32 |
AyeshaZ |
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zanfaz |
10/22/02 at 23:36:11 |
[slm] bro Asim, firecrackers were used here in India too till a few years back. But Alhamdulillah, it has come down a lot these days. But youngsters going around in bikes during 15 shabaan night/ laylat ul Qadr nights is the latest trend now. May Allah SWT show us the straight path ! |
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Barr |
10/23/02 at 08:46:33 |
Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullah :) [quote] Is this done in other countries as well?[/quote] Not where I come from. I've never heard of this tradition till U wrote abt it. But then again, firecrackers are banned here. ;D Allahua'lam :-) |
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Asim |
10/23/02 at 13:09:19 |
Assalaamu alaikum, [quote]But Alhamdulillah, it has come down a lot these days.[/quote] Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Lahore. It has certainly increased from 8 years ago. This is also true for other weird and unIslamic traditions like basant, valentine's, and even halloween (can you believe that?!). Kids of all ages are involved in the firecracker nuisance, and there is absolutely no check on them (from parents, who are often part of it, and authorities). I am still wondering how did this tradition start? I have some vague idea but am not sure. Maybe ppl are just finding all opportunities for a 'fun-time.' Hmm, so no other communities with loud 15 shabaans? What a shame ;) Middle of shabaan was unknown in Nigeria. [quote]But then again, firecrackers are banned here. [/quote] Actually I think it is banned here as well, but who cares! Many ppl die becaue of fireworks blowing up. I read one such news from Hyderabad, India earlier today. Sad, really. How do you turn around an entire society?? Wasalaam. |
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A_Stranger |
10/23/02 at 14:09:26 |
[slm] WOAH! :o You meant in Pakistan?! Laaaaaa hawla wa laa quwatta illa billah! Man, the ummah really is a shambles.. [quote]May Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala show us the straight path ![/quote] Aameen. |
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Zahra |
10/23/02 at 17:06:36 |
[slm] This is the first time I ever heard of fireworks to celebrate the 15th night of Sha'baan! That's crazy! Talking of fireworks , Diwali is round the corner and I am dreading it.You would think that we are living in a war zone and that bombs are raining down.Then in the newspapers we will get reports of people whose limbs were blown off or the numerous dogs and cats who were traumatised.There seems nothing that we can do about these fireworks because if you have to complain you are seen by the Hindu community as being intolerant of their religion. :( :( |
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bismilla |
10/24/02 at 11:26:17 |
[slm] How important i wonder, in terms of their religiuos requirements as opposed to the Indian tradition, the lighting of fire works is? I mean, did anyone stop to consider where in the Holy scriptures it says that the Hindu people MUST burn fire works to commorate the day or is just because it was started by one "clever" generation and and handed onto the next and thus became a tradition so steeped in society that it was taught to be "religion"? I know i keep going on about this culture / tradition / religion issue, but i find that when i examine something from that "angle"...things become much clearer to me. :-) Sr. Zahra, this is going to continue till after the new year unfortunately...i think the best thing to get are ear plugs! I must say however, that when i approached my neighbours about toning it down when my babies where still very little, they were very obliging, Alhumdulilah. An idea as well for countries like ours, where fireworks is not banned, is to get everyone to converge at a particular time (and set a duration in which everyone gets) to let off their fire works. In that way you won't have to jump out of your skin everytime one loud bang went off in the middle of one's reverie! ;D |
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Anonymous |
10/25/02 at 18:42:26 |
The act of lighting firecrackers was started by some ignorant muslims in the indian subcontinent. These people belief that on the 15th of shabaan the spirit(rooh) of thier deceased family come to thier house.So, they light fireworks to scare away the sprits. It is alot like the chinese culture.This is an innovation and is forbidden in islam. |
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momineqbal |
10/25/02 at 18:58:57 |
[slm], Anonymous, where did you get that idea from? Are you indian? Just curious. I never heard that they lighted firecrackers to scare "dead's spirits". I don't really know how this firecrackers thing started really, but my guess would be that it started pretty recently (in the last 100 years or less) after the level of education amongst muslims went down as also the level of trust between hindus and muslims and then each had to compete or have what "they had" etc. There is an incident Sheikh Yusuf Islahi was mentioning in his lecture, which happenned in a city called Madras (now known as chennai). During muharram muslims usually take out a procession and it has something called a 'Tazia' (some kind of decorated wooden structure, don't know what it signifies). So these young muslims were to pass through a hindu community area and hindus said they wouldn't let them pass from there. So there was tension among both parties and it almost came to a fight or rioting. But some hindu elders got together and said they need to resolve this peacefully. So they decided to think what to do, and one of the suggestion was that they should ask muslims to reduce the height of their 'Tazia', but one guy said, "how can that be, Tazia has to be the size its mentioned in the Quran! Muslims won't agree to this!". Lot of educated non-muslims are often shocked with all the customs that have crept amongst muslims, when they read the true sources of Islam they wonder why muslims have become like this. But in anycase, please don't hate muslims. The main problem really is education and inshaAllah things are changing alhamdulillah. Its real easy to talk about this but there are many factors that so called "educated" people and even scholars do not understand yet and all they do is accuse muslims of doing Bidah and shirk and what not. You can't be curing a disease just by shouting to the sick person "you have a disease, you have a disease...". Allahu Alim. Eqbal |
10/25/02 at 19:02:12 |
momineqbal |
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Asim |
10/28/02 at 08:37:37 |
Assalaamu alaikum, My mother says the charaaghan (illumination, fireworks) tradition got started by some hindu leader when his (or his child's?) birthday fell on 15 shabaan. This is all I know. The spirits theory does appear out of place, but allahu alam. And this tradition was practiced 50 years ago as well. How far back it goes, allahu alam again. Talking about education, I rarely see speakers here emphasize tazkiya and huqooq al-ibaad (rights of people) and rather focus more on the rituals (prayer, fasting, etc). The inner dimension of faith is missing. As I mentioned on the board some time back, many muslims here are really good at philosophical discussions, but actions are lacking. Sometimes I feel these 'overheads' (built up through school curriculums) have made Islam unnecessarily confusing and complicated for the educated ppl here. With the overhead the essense of Islam and Islam itself is lost, which really is very simple. On the positive side, I do see more vigor in some educated ppl at learning and implementing Islam. A decade or so ago, halaqas arranged by neighborhood ppl were almost unknown. Now they are more common alhamdulillah. However, they are usually attended by the yound or old (the 15-30 odd group is lacking; i guess this is true for all places?). The web has been a positive influence for some, providing an opportunity to learn more about Islam and the practice of Muslims worldwide. Wasalaam. |
10/28/02 at 10:39:15 |
Asim |
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