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| WhatDFish |
| 10/23/02 at 14:39:29 |
| Faithful look forward to Muslim cola A new Muslim cola aims to attract another kind of faithful customer, as this country prepares to market Iranian Zam Zam Cola Denmark is set to become the first country in Europe to host a market cola war between the Iranian-produced Zam-Zam cola and American big boys Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Daily newspaper Politiken reported the news on Sunday based on a report from the Times of London. Increasingly over the past several months, considerable chunks of the Muslim world's consumer market have staged a boycott against American products in protest of US support to Israel in the ongoing Middle East conflict. Multinational mammoths including fast food chains McDonald's and KFC have paid the price in lost market shares, as have the cola giants. Seventeen Iranian factories have moved in to take their place, scrambling to produce enough Zam-Zam to meet the insatiable demands of the Muslim market. In just four months, Politiken reported, Zam Zam has produced 10 million bottles of its fizzy concoction for export to Saudi Arabia and the other Persian Gulf-area lands. Earlier this year, the company capitalised on a growth market of millions, offering pilgrims to Mecca a refreshing alternative to verboten Coke or Pepsi during their holy journey. Having conquered a sizeable share in the Middle Eastern market, Zam Zam is ready to take Europe by storm, and this country is set to become its first continental venue. Denmark will open for business with Zam Zam, together with Syria and Lebanon. In the meantime, Zam Zam is also available in Bahrain, Iraq, Pakistan, and several African countries. Politiken quoted Zam Zam director of marketing Bahram Kheiry, who said that the company has entertained a flood of enquiries from France, Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Germany, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. But a cola competitor is already in the works on the European continent, which may make for the Muslim world's very own cola war. French-Muslim entrepreneur Tawfiq Mathlouthi is preparing to unveil his own cola variety, Mecca Cola, next month in France: no word yet as to when consumers in this country will be able to take the Mecca/Zam-Zam challenge. Here have one last one before we turn to Zam-Zam Cola ;) [] |
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| WhatDFish |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 10/24/02 at 19:41:06 |
| Do muslims drink a lot of Coke? I thought it was bad for you. I think that they should switch to drinking arnold palmers. I have been drinking them for quited a while and it quenches your thirst, without the expense or the bad affects of caffeine and carbonation. also, a case of pepsi for the 1st person who knows what an arnold palmer is. |
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| jannah |
| 10/24/02 at 20:04:21 |
| tsk tsk tsk (shakes head) you want us to drink golf espressos!!! i dunno ltcorpest how can u post intelligent comments in the Ummah and then turn into those frat boys i knew in college up here...it's just weird ps arnold palmers are no doubt some type of alcoholic drink.. and Muslims don't drink alcohol surprise!! |
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| ascetic |
| 10/24/02 at 20:14:03 |
| A quick google search reveals that Arnold Palmers is "freshly squeezed lemonade mixed with iced tea." But I hate Ice-tea. |
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| Tesseract |
| 10/24/02 at 20:59:17 |
| [slm] [quote]ps arnold palmers are no doubt some type of alcoholic drink.. and Muslims don't drink alcohol surprise!! [/quote] Depends on the quantity of alcohol in the drink/food. Check this out: Alcohol in Soft Drinks It is well known that some soft drinks, such as Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, contain among their ingredients a tiny amount of alcohol, which is used to dissolve some constituents of the drinks such as color, flavor, etc. Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola, for example, contain different types of flavors, considered to be secrets of the trade, these flavors dissolve in alcohol, which is no more than two to three parts in one thousand (0.03-0.02 %) in these drinks Such soft drinks are considered to be permissible halal from the Islamic point of view, according to the rules for eating and drinking in the Islamic legal law. The concept behind these rule is that if a small amount of a prohibited substance X is mixed with a dominant permissible substance Y till substance X loses all its attributes such as taste, color, and smell, substance x loses the qualifications of being impure and prohibited by having being dissolved in substance Y. This conclusion is supported by a ruling by Ibn Taymmiah in his Fatawa (21/502), and by the recommendations of the ninth Medical Fiqh Seminar of the Islamic Medical Science Organization, which met in Aldar Albayda’ in Moroco in June 1997. The Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA) Natural and artificial flavors containing alcohol. In the food industry, alcohol is the second common solvent after water. Some of the flavors like vanilla can not be made without alcohol. One can not imagine foods and drinks like, ice cream, cakes and cookies, soft drinks. Etc. without the use of alcohol. IFANCA (The Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America) considers alcohol as an unavoidable impurity in the food systems. Muslim countries, which import food products, accept foods containing small quantities of alcohol. We have established two levels of control points for alcohol in foods and ingredients: Less than 0.1 per cent in the food items. Less than 0.5 per cent in food ingredients. At the above levels, one can not detect the presence of alcohol by taste, smell or sight. These guidelines are for the food industry to make halal certified products, however, where should one draw the line, is up to the individual Muslim consumer based on the available knowledge and his or her own commitment. The Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America IFANCA 5901 N. Cicero Ste. 309, Chicago, IL 60646 TEL: (773) 283-3708 FAX: (773) 283-3973 Wallahu Ta'ala 'Alim. Wassalam. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 10/25/02 at 12:39:01 |
| Posted by: zahid Posted on: Oct 24th, 2002, 8:14pm A quick google search reveals that Arnold Palmers is "freshly squeezed lemonade mixed with iced tea." But I hate Ice-tea. Congrats zahid you win, If you want to meet me at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Paxton in Pacoima , Calif. I will be there today from 10:45 to 11:00 with your case of pepsi. Jannnah, did you think I was talking about some alcoholic drink? Arnie is way too straight laced for that. |
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| The_Naeem |
| 10/29/02 at 12:16:19 |
| Salaams, Around the way they call that "Arnold Palmer" a half & half. You can either mix it yourself, or some places you can order it striaght up and down. |
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| The_Naeem |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 10/29/02 at 20:00:16 |
| I still never had my 1st question answered about the coke thingy. Jannah, have you had an arnie yet? I actually don't do it half and half 80% tea and 20% lemonade otherwise it is way too sweet for me. waited for zahid, but no one showed, now i feel bloated and sick. |
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| theOriginal |
| 10/30/02 at 13:18:27 |
| [slm] Dude, yeh! Coke is like a vital part of the Middle Eastern culture. Or let's broaden it to "Carbonated Beverages." And let's not say that "Muslims drink a lot of coke." But rather, that "Coke is consumed quite a bit by people who happen to be Muslim." ;) (i know, I messed up on the grammar somewhere.) Trivia: Up until a few years ago, Coca Cola used to have the largest market share in all but 1 country. (Now they have the largest market share in every single country.) If anyone can state the country, the reason why Coke didn't have the largest mkt share in that country, and what Coke did about it....I'll umm...make duaa for you. (That's the best I could offer, or I might end up bloated like Itcorpest2.) Hint: I studied this case in a class called "Economic Systems in the New World Economy" Wassalaam. SF. |
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| Tesseract |
| 10/30/02 at 14:46:29 |
| [slm] [quote]Trivia: Up until a few years ago, Coca Cola used to have the largest market share in all but 1 country. (Now they have the largest market share in every single country.) If anyone can state the country, the reason why Coke didn't have the largest mkt share in that country, and what Coke did about it....I'll umm...make duaa for you. (That's the best I could offer, or I might end up bloated like Itcorpest2.) [/quote] Must be China. I am just assuming that because China is the second largest economy of the world ( US being no.1) and rival of the western world in almost evrything. What they did about it?........(Again assuming)............They changed the name to.......umm........maybe Xing Peng Cola.........or Chuang hua hua cola...........I dont know. I am just kidding around:). I ask for forgiveness if it offends anybody, as offence was not my intention. Wassalam. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 10/30/02 at 18:40:31 |
| . Posted by: Tesseract Posted on: Today at 2:46pm Quote:Trivia: Up until a few years ago, Coca Cola used to have the largest market share in all but 1 country. (Now they have the largest market share in every single country.) If anyone can state the country, the reason why Coke didn't have the largest mkt share in that country, and what Coke did about it....I'll umm...make duaa for you. (That's the best I could offer, or I might end up bloated like Itcorpest2.) I may need help with the meaning of a few, but it is (was) the soviet union. Pepsi (and fanta it is pepsi's orange drink, don't know if is sold elsewhere) ) had an exclusive licence to sell it there. (Hopefully the middle east serves their cokes cold. What a wonderful experience having cold carbonated drink for the 1st time.) coke started the coup and yeltsin took over and the rest is history (sort of). |
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| theOriginal |
| 10/31/02 at 09:07:54 |
| [slm] Okay Itcorpest2...you might be right. But I was looking for something even more recent in history. As in 1997-ish. The answer, oddly enough, is Peru. Peru was the only country in which Coca Cola did not have the largest market share. Coke was puzzled at this, and they couldn't understand why this was the case. As it turns out, our Peruvian llama riding friends actually consumed coke very minimally. They prefer this drink called Inka Cola (which is greenish-yellow and tastes like bubble gum...which you can find at your local South American Store, although needless to say, it's an acquired taste), which outweighed the market share almost three-fold. Now, Coca Cola = >:( So, what does it do? It gets rid of the problem entirely, by buying Inka Cola, and making it a Coke subsidiary. And they now have the largest market share in every single country on this wonderful planet of ours. Wasalaam. SF. |
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| safa |
| 11/01/02 at 04:13:34 |
| As for the permissible amounts of alcohol in soft drinks, can anyone enlighten me about the alcohol content in cough syrups & other allopathic medicines? And how bout homeoepathic medicines? The medicines are dissolved in alcohol during manufacture, even though it is evaporated later. |
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