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The_Naeem |
10/24/02 at 09:04:45 |
Salaaams, If you've been hiding under a rock for the past 3 weeks, you might not know in my native, of the DC Metro area, there's a sniper on the loose. And this morning they just picked up 2 guys belived to be connected with it. And of course one of them is, you guess it "Muslim". Well they said dude took shahadah in '93, his last name is Muhammad, and he was a Sept 11th Hijacker sympathiser. He also happens to be a military guy, but did not have sniper training. Allahu Alim, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I hope he dosen't turn out to be connected or God forbid the actual sniper :o . I'm really getting tired of all of this stuff. Killings, persecution, media hype. I'm ready to buy 4 one way tickets to some carribean island and live the life of a hermit with my family. Think brother dawud was right, times like this "we miss the Prophet's hands" :'( |
10/24/02 at 09:05:16 |
The_Naeem |
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ltcorpest2 |
10/24/02 at 12:38:09 |
i am hoping he is and that this nightmare is over. |
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Red |
10/24/02 at 15:13:46 |
[slm], I just feel like crying... :(, I got so sad when i read that the man they caught could be muslim. I am very glad that they caught whoever has been hurting sooo many people, but why does he have to be a muslim... I know this person does not have muslim characteristics or character of any righteous person, but now that he is muslim, this just adds to everything that going on already in the muslim world. I am just soooo tired of reading about muslim this and muslim that on the radio, televison, internet, news, everywhere, it just blows my mind away. And now in russia, their are muslims holding up 700 theatre people in a theatre. what is this world coming too...? wasalam, red :( |
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Fatimah |
10/24/02 at 16:12:02 |
[slm] The thing that gets me though is how in the world can a Muslim leave a note saying "I am God" ?? Just doesn't sound right to me. |
10/24/02 at 16:12:53 |
Fatimah |
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jannah |
10/24/02 at 17:28:01 |
Well forget that.. How can a so called Muslim go around killing innocent people in such a disgusting/horrible fashion and then demand 10 million dollars!! He's obviously quite deranged. The interesting thing is the media never uses his real name but just loooooooves using "Muhammad". |
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BroHanif |
10/24/02 at 17:47:14 |
Salaams, remember this guy that they have caught was in the Gulf War. And sad to say he may be experiencing Gulf War syndrome. No sane person would call himself God. Whatever we say, Islam is being dragged through mud. From the Far East to the west, if you want to blame something or someone blame Islam. Just say that his link to Al-Qaeeda or he or she trained in Afghanistan or supports suicide bombers. Salaams Hanif |
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jannah |
10/24/02 at 18:29:24 |
[slm] hmm what do you guys think it all is? signs of the day of J? corruptness of the world increasing so it also increases in Muslims? or just that Muslim "crimes" are more notorious now, more advertised.. there must have been freak serial killers somewhere in islamic history before? or just the natural process of people getting desperate after suffering injustice after injustice and feeling impotent and not being able to do anything about it so it comes out in violent means? |
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theOriginal |
10/24/02 at 18:54:39 |
[slm] Like I said in the other one, it's ever so convenient that his name is Muhammad. It makes it easier to blame Muslims without really saying the word "Muslim." I don't say that from a conspiracy theory stance, but rather from a "wow isn't that ironic" stance. It gets even harder everyday to feel that my religion secures me, when it isn't secure itself (in other words, I fear for its sanctity). I often feel like Islam is on trial, and I am its defence attorney. The prosecution is extremely convincing, and I can't help chokin on the amount of staggering evidence they provide the jury with. I'm unconvinced that he was not framed. (Note: Two negatives.) Wasalaam. SF. |
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Fatimah |
10/24/02 at 19:10:27 |
[slm] [quote]Well forget that.. How can a so called Muslim go around killing innocent people in such a disgusting/horrible fashion and then demand 10 million dollars!! He's obviously quite deranged. The interesting thing is the media never uses his real name but just loooooooves using "Muhammad".[/quote] Yeah, but thats not what the public is going to see. :( They will not see that he is sick/crazy/deranged.. They will see he is Muslim, and we know how that goes. :'( Yeah, they leave out his real name and his step-son's name and just use Mr. Muhammad through the whole reports. >:( They even had to include his conversion to Islam, as if it had something to do with this situation. >:( So, what do you guys think will happen now? Another backlash? :( |
10/24/02 at 19:12:19 |
Fatimah |
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jannah |
10/24/02 at 19:18:25 |
[quote] I often feel like Islam is on trial, and I am its defence attorney. The prosecution is extremely convincing, and I can't help chokin on the amount of staggering evidence they provide the jury with. [/quote] [slm] theOriginal, Islam doesn't need you to defend it. It is there clear and pure and free from evil until the end of time. It is Allah who says He will protect the Quran and His Message and certainly there is Noone else who could protect it best. And I certainly don't think we should go to the lengths of defending such ppl as the sniper. His actions prove he is not someone who is following Islam, so what's the point. He has nothing to do with us really. I think what we're feeling is that blow when we know anti-dawah has been committed, so now we realize we have to step up our efforts and again try to explain to people just because a person is muslim/xtian/jew and they commit evil acts, it doesn't mean they are following their religion, quite the opposite. About him being framed or all that. I think in this case or in 9/11 or anything else Muslims shouldn't go down that road. To do so gives us an excuse and mires us in animosity and confusion and puts us in the position of defending the indefensible. We should get back on track, practice our deen and help others to practice the deen. |
10/24/02 at 19:20:40 |
jannah |
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BroHanif |
10/24/02 at 19:22:01 |
salaams [quote]I often feel like Islam is on trial, and I am its defence attorney. The prosecution is extremely convincing, and I can't help chokin on the amount of staggering evidence they provide the jury with. [/quote] The truth is clear just as the night is from the day. I agree with your point Jannah, just look at those held hostage in the Russdain theatre, I know sisters and bros have been raped in Chechneyah, crimes committe against them that anyone including me and perhaps you would turn angry. Then what happens you lash out hitting everyone, its like what my sensai told me in fighting if you fight with anger you become blind and your form is not correct, only way to become a better fighter is to relax and not let anger take over your emotions. Thats why its necessary that we adopt the correct way of maintaining sabr but also practice jihad at that time and the best jihad is starting with ourselves. Islam has been attacked in the past and it will be in the future as well, however what we as muslims have got to do is make sure that whatever is thrown at us we work within the Islamic frame. For example, if a rock is placed in the flowing stream then the water will find a way round the rock, right now the rock is the amount of garbage and suffering imposed upon our brothers and sisters worldwide. True its a large rock yet every rock is pourous. We need a correct form of dawah we need to be pro-active and not re-active. We need to re-activate the dwindling mosques and commite out go the illogical and backward thinking and in come the bros and sisters who are not interested in building lavish mosques and yearning for power. Out goes the cable and the TV adn VCR's and in come taleem and study circles in our houses and mosques. Out go the hopelessness of the ummah and in come the projects to transform the drugs and alcohol abuse and the hope to revitalise the dreams and aspirations of our youth. Forget whether one is a tablighi, hibut tahrir or ikhwan, in come the acceptance that we are all as one. Forget where your grandad came from, forget the fact that his a pakistani or guji who the hell cares, the cancer of qumiyat has damaged us greatly its high time we forget these petty differences and start to do salams and start hugging each other like we really mean it. In the end the solution lies with us. We've got the Quran and Sunnah what more do we want as the way forward ? Salaams Hanif |
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ltcorpest2 |
10/24/02 at 19:31:00 |
Yeah, they leave out his real name and his step-son's name and just use Mr. Muhammad through the whole reports They were 1st using his given name but he changed it i heard a couple of years ago. I would think that is his real name, I don't think mohamed ali wants to go by cassius clay (i think he took offence and made a huge issue with joe frazier) also, he appears to be a convert to nation of islam. I thought that nation of islam was not a true islamic religion. Is that the case or am i wrong? gets even harder everyday to feel that my religion secures me, when it isn't secure itself (in other words, I fear for its sanctity). I often feel like Islam is on trial, and I am its defence attorney. The prosecution is extremely convincing, and I can't help chokin on the amount of staggering evidence they provide the jury with. I'm unconvinced that he was not framed. (Note: Two negatives.) I get a headache trying to figure out how to untangle 2 negatives. I think everyones religion is on trial, but you can only show people what you believe and honor those beliefs. Christians are in the same boat, when an abortion doctor is shot, or some goofballs in Idaho like aryan nation who make a claim on christianity spout their hate speach or Jim Jones gets his people to commit suicide, the media will take this and say that this is part of Christianity when it is only some sick people who allow satan to rule their lives but use God's name to do satan's will. |
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ltcorpest2 |
10/24/02 at 19:57:29 |
I am just soooo tired of reading about muslim this and muslim that on the radio, televison, internet, news, everywhere, it just blows my mind away. And now in russia, their are muslims holding up 700 theatre people in a theatre. what is this world coming too...? wasalam, red Also, i have been praying for you guys, it seems like the last week has had some very toa4^yfjnQm.WW)j˗;+{ߒ\TݏK7IWӞ2K^Z>gمi!.>PM+bǕf/>\wop5D0X Qpk$\(v.d=u$vKHi0GgU)C{g.!Ggz͵OIikc |
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