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| se7en |
| 01/16/02 at 16:04:20 |
as salaamu alaykum, Okay, so the other day me and some peeps rented an indian flick. It was.. fascinating :) While watching the (three and a half!!?#$# hour long) movie, one of the girls became less than interested and started flipping through an Al-Jumuah magazine.. in which was an article about youth and their notions of love/lust. Ironically enough, in the article was mention of Indian movies - how they really construct ideas about love and marriage in young Muslims that are fantasy-like and unIslamic. What do you think? Do you think that they have a seriously detrimental affect on our lives and marriages? That they really shape and affect our understanding of relationships and the opposite sex? It really sort of freaked me out, thinking about it. Because my interaction with the opposite sex and my first hand experience with relationships is fairly limited, growing up a Muslim. The majority of "romantic interaction" I see is from mainstream media. Thoughts? |
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| Kashif |
| 01/16/02 at 17:22:00 |
| assalaamu alaikum Yeah Se7en, i definitely think that Bollywood skews a person's perspective on what love and marriage is really like. It can lull people into thinking that marriage is like a bed of roses, when really it isn't (automatically) that. Its like a business relationship, a colleague was telling me, if both sides put in the effort, it will work. To quote Malcolm X describing his wedding at the registry office: "They [the witnesses] were all standing, smiling and watching every move. The old devil [the judge] said, "i pronounce you man and wife,' and then 'kiss your bride.' I got her out of there. All of that Hollywood stuff! Like these women wanting men to pick them up and carry them across thresholds and some of them weigh more than you do. I don't know how many marriage breakups are caused by these movie- and television-addicted women expecting some bouquets and kissing and hugging and being swept out like Cinderella for dinner and dancing - then getting mad when a poor, scraggly husband comes in tired and sweaty from working like a dog all day, looking for some food." Kashif Wa Salaam PS Not all women are tv & movie-addicted, and not all tv- and movie-addicted people are women. In fact, when i was at college one of my neighbour's daughters came to me once between lessons and complained that some guy was harrassing her. So i went up to him and told him to leave her alone and basically get lost. He looked over my shoulder to the poor girl hiding behind me and said "but its true love man, i love her." Thankfully, he didn't burst into a 10 minute hindi song. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 01/16/02 at 17:26:47 |
[quote]a In fact, when i was at college one of my neighbour's daughters came to me once between lessons and complained that some guy was harrassing her. So i went up to him and told him to leave her alone and basically get lost. He looked over my shoulder to the poor girl hiding behind me and said "but its true love man, i love her." Thankfully, he didn't burst into a 10 minute hindi song. [/quote] LOL!!! I nearly choked on that one!!! |
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| BroHanif |
| 01/16/02 at 18:10:50 |
| AWW, [quote]young Muslims that are fantasy-like and unIslamic. [/quote] What do you mean Sis 7 that a poor guy(Romeo) falls in love with a western girl from America. They both fall in love each other, however, the mother in law(girls side) has other plans, she wants daughter to get married to Dr with big car and house. So she gets some rough lads and they beat up the poor romeo. Romeo is in hospital, girfriend is sobbing tears, romeo wakes up to see girlfriend and his family, they both hug each other, dance in the rain, get married and live in America. Yeah I would say thats unIslamic, a fairy tale and above all lies. No wonder so many people think Britain and US is paved with gold.! Oh yeah another thing they always portray the mother-in-law as the most evil person, out to cause heartache. Salaams H |
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| *sofia* |
| 01/17/02 at 12:48:49 |
| Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah I believe it was Sonia Ghandi who once said (when asked about Pakistani corruption) - The Indian film industry takes care of that for us. Another analyst once said that traditional warfare has shifted from combat to sending satellites to the third world for their television access enjoyment (sometimes FREE, think abt that). Just my 2 cents (stop watching indian movies, you need to change the world, se7en! no pressure or anything). :) |
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| M.F. |
| 01/17/02 at 13:59:20 |
| Assalamu alaikum I've never actually sat through an Indian movie, but they use the term "film hindi" here in Morocco to refer to a long complicated heartache ridden love situation. From what I know of aflam hindiya, they're always about forbidden love, which I think is what makes them unislamic. Two people fall in love because they're young, beautiful and can sing really well, but they're forbidden from each other because one of them's not rich. All these are unislamic reasons for two people to be together. And they treat each other like gods, which is no only unrealistic but unislamic as well. Unfortunately I've seen too many real life "film hindi" where parents caused their children to be miserable by forbidding them from marrying someone they wanted to marry (for a good Islamic reason, not just out of lust!) or forcing them to marry someone they didn't want because he's a doctor or he's (instert ethnic group) or she's "fair". By the way while we're on the subject what's this thing about girls being "fair"?? ???????????? salams mariam |
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| kiwi25 |
| 01/18/02 at 00:15:26 |
| salam, MF -- as far as ive heard, the whole "fair" thing is about the skin, theyre faired skin meaning theyre light skinned.... notice how indian movies only portray the rich, the beautiful, and the lightest skinned of them all. personally i think those kind of movies make single people or depressed couples feel quilty about not having a partner or the "life" that indian movies portray and that just makes the viewers reck their own lives.... another thing is india is NOT all green and clean... wasalam nouha:) |
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| momineqbal |
| 01/18/02 at 01:56:52 |
| [slm], Hindi films apart, many people also are fans of hindi filmi music. But many of them contain shirk in their lyrics including quite a few sung by the likes of Mohd. Rafi and songs written by muslim writers. There are a lot of muslims working in the hindi movie industry in bombay. These movies portrayals of muslims' have given rise to many misconceptions among non-muslims in India about Islam. Lot of movies have had 'kothe wali' roles named muslim names. Needless to say these movies have a big role in misguiding many muslim youths of today. Wassalam Eqbal |
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| M.F. |
| 01/18/02 at 05:36:42 |
| But my question is: since when is being "fair" equivalent to being "beautiful"?? I gotta ask: was it the brits who got people thinking that way or had it already been that way? they sell this cream here that's supposed to make your skin lighter. It's called "Fair and Lovely" and it's made in... India of course. I just don't get it! |
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| eleanor |
| 01/18/02 at 06:08:16 |
| slm Oh Yeah! Hindi films play tricks with your mind. I, erm, live with someone who thinks that women should be sweet and smiling all the time, "like a flower", (ahem), and that mad crazed passion is the order of the day when it comes to falling in love. ie you would slit your wrists/bang your head against the wall or do other crazy outrageous things for the sake of "love". It's a slow and tedious process of deprogramming a mind which has been conditioned this way... :( I say "booo" to Bollywood/Lollywood/whatever wasalaam eleanor |
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| Hania |
| 01/18/02 at 06:15:17 |
[quote]But my question is: since when is being "fair" equivalent to being "beautiful"?? I gotta ask: was it the brits who got people thinking that way or had it already been that way? they sell this cream here that's supposed to make your skin lighter. It's called "Fair and Lovely" and it's made in... India of course. I just don't get it![/quote] I don't get it either but its not just Indians that think this way. I have family in Egypt who put major emphasis on skin colour too. Many are eager to marry peeps of european/american/spanish looking decent. ??? With my cousins in India, if I ask them what qualities do you look for in a potential bride, they usually say they don't mind as long as she is fair. Even if the girl is amazingly beautiful, if she is too dark they don't consider her attractive. With the men, if they are dark skinned it doesn't seem too much of an issue. But there always seems to be some sort of bizzare rivalry based on skin colour, between N.Indians and S.Indians ??? But again I don't think the 'fair is beautiful' thinking is just confined to egypt/india. It seems to be prevelant in a lot of cultures. I noticed one sister wrote in another thread that her sister was a convert to Islam and MANY brothers from the mosque were interested in marrying her even though they didn't know her character. Oh well, if people just marry for looks alone. goodluck to them. |
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| Hania |
| 01/18/02 at 06:37:17 |
| Was looking for something else but found this. Origins The origins of racism can be found in the annals of history. However, people are often biased and very subjective in their findings. For example, a Jew may claim that racism started with the expulsion of the Jews from Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE [3]. An Afro-centric[4] person on the other hand, may claim that racism originated from the European colonisation of Africa and the engagement with the slave trade. Each race can thus claim to reveal the origins of this problem according to their own historical sufferings. Islam however, is not like this. Because Islam was not revealed for a specific set of people or for a specific period of time, it is able to answer this question in a truly objective manner. This is one of the reasons why Islam has been so successful against racism. The origins of racism, as explained by Islam, go back to the beginning of mankind's creation. Before the creation of man, Allah the Most High, had already created the Angels and the Jinn. Amongst the Angels at that time was a Jinn by the name of Iblis. Iblis had resided amongst the Angels and was very obedient to Allah. However, this was to change, as Allah then created man. This new creation of Allah was created from clay and named Adam. He was first in the line of humanity, and as a result occupies a very special place in history. From him and his wife Hawwa (Eve), the generations of humanity have descended. After his creation, Allah ordered the Angels and those with them to prostrate to Adam. The Qur'an informs us of this important event, from which we may all learn a valuable lesson: "And (remember) when We said to the Angels: 'Prostrate yourselves to Adam', and they all prostrated except Iblis. He refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers" (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:34) and: "(Allah) said: 'What prevented you (Iblis) that you did not prostrate?' Iblis said; 'I am better then him, you created me from fire and you created him from clay'" (Surah Al-A'raf 7:12) In Islam, the other name for Iblis is 'Shaytan'[5] or the Devil. Thus, the root of racism is attributed to the Devil. Iblis's insistence on being better than Adam, aroused his arrogance and pride. And what was the reason for this insistence? Nothing more then the fact that Iblis was of fire and Adam was of clay. It was at this stage in the history of the world, that the ugly head of racism first reared itself. Iblis, the Devil, was consequently the world's first racist! This Islamic explanation helps us to understand the reality of racism. Pride and arrogance leads to people thinking that they are better than others, simply because of their physical makeup. This pride and arrogance is truly a Devilish trait which humans have learnt from Iblis, the accursed Devil. Iblis's refusal to prostrate before Adam led to his expulsion from the company of the Angels, and he vowed to Allah that: ".. I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (humanity) on the earth and I shall mislead them all, except Your chosen slaves among them" (Surah Al-Hijr 15:39-40) True to his word, the astray Devil has indeed adorned the path of error for most of mankind throughout the ages. One of these adornments has of course been the Devilish behaviour of Racism. Manifestations Ever since Iblis's refusal to bow down to Adam, the world has seen an increase in racism. Not only were people affected by this trend, but so were religions, creeds and ideologies. Before long Religions and creeds were justifying the superiority of some over others. An example of this is the religions of Judaism and Hinduism. By their very teachings, both of these ancient religions are racist. With Judaism, a person cannot become a Jew unless be/she is born from a Jewish mother. This then means that all non-Jews cannot enter Paradise, simply because they were not born into this faith! With Hinduism, not only does it degrade the Creator by representing him as a monkey, rat, cow, elephant and even the male private organ (!), but it has also created one of the worlds most ancient forms of racism - the caste system. According to Hinduism, the higher castes originate from the upper body-parts of God, such as the chest and head, whereas the lower castes come from the lower bodyparts of God such as the legs and feet! This theory of degrading the Creator then justifies the oppression which happens to the lower castes. Such is this oppression, that if a higher caste person walks through the shadow of a lower caste person, he deems himself to have become impure and consequently has to bathe himself! Other religions such as Christianity, have often been used to justify racist ventures. During the age of exploration the European powers used Christianity to justify their own imperial ambitions. The infamous Spanish Conquistadors used Christianity as a pretext to wipe out the Inca and Aztec civilisations of Central and South America during the 15th and 16th centuries. Nations such as the Dutch and the British used Christianity to justify their horrendous treatment of native Africans. The notorious Trans-Atlantic slave trade saw one of the worst forms of racism ever implemented. This form of racism saw entire cultures wiped out and replaced with the culture of their racist aggressors. This is why even today, many of the surnames which people from the Caribbean have, are in fact the names of their ancestral European slave masters. It is not only religion which has been gripped by this disease, but also science. By the 19th century the Western world had rejected religion and was looking towards science to provide the answers for our existence. The dominant theory at the time was Charles Darwin's theory of Evolution. However, unknown to many, Darwin's expeditions were only-funded by the British government so that a scientific base could be used for racist and imperial ambitions. The theory espoused that man evolved from apes. It then claimed that some people had not fully evolved from their primate forms, and were thus inferior to others. These inferior people were said to be the non-Europeans, and especially the Africans. Thus, on a mission to civilise these 'savages', the Europeans used Darwin's theory to oppress and destroy many parts of the world. The 20th century has also seen attempts to justify racism and its theories. During the 30's and 40's the German Nazi regime of Adolph Hitler used the credentials of the Aryan[6] people, to legitimise his ruthless actions. The Apartheid regime of South Africa also used racism and racial segregation to maintain its existence. This has continued until today with many groups advocating clear White supremacy over the rest of mankind. The Ku Klux Klan, the British National Party and the Aryan Nation are examples of such groups. The faces of racism are many. It should not be thought that racism is only conducted by the Europeans or Whites. Racial superiority over Whites has also been advocated by Black people during this century. After centuries of oppression, the Black community in the Western world expressed its sentiments in an explosive way. The decade of the 60's saw many civil rights movements emerge. Along with these came all the radical movements who popularised slogans such as 'Black Power'. Before long there were many movements who openly advocated racism against White people. What made things even worse, was that some of the most vocal movements attached themselves to the religion of Islam - a religion which (as will be seen) destroys racism from its very root. Amongst these groups were the Nation of Islam and the Ansarullah[7]. They openly advocated that the White people were devils and Black people were gods. Their open (but false) attachment to Islam helped to visualise Islam as being racist - something which could not be further from the truth. The Solution So what is the solution for this world-wide epidemic? As Muslims we know that to defeat racism means to defeat Iblis, the Devil. Because humans are weak, it would be imperative that we adopt some, divine method in tackling this Devilish disease. This method is none other then ISLAM, the untainted and pure religion which came to benefit humanity through its teachings. Just as Islam explains the origins of racism, it also tells us how to combat it. This is firmly expressed in the Qur'an, when Allah explains the reason for our variety as different races and peoples: "O' mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Indeed the most honourable of you in the sight of Allah is the one with the most piety" (Surah Al-Hujjarat 49:13) It is clear from this verse as to how humanity should act towards one another. We have been created like one huge beautiful garden with many different types of flowers in it. Each flower is clearly distinguished from the other, yet they all belong to the same garden. This unity of the nations can only be achieved when people recognise that it is Islam which will bring the different peoples of the world under one banner. And it is within this banner that people can achieve true piety and thus excel themselves in the sight of Allah. The teachings of Islam cut racism from its very root. By looking at the sayings and actions of the last Messenger, Muhammed (saws), we can see how racism was truly obliterated with the advent of Islam. The Prophet (saws) said: "Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor a White person over a Black one, nor a Black person over a White one, except through piety" [8].A statement like this tells us that this man, Muhammed, was truly a recipient of Divine inspiration. His words were not empty like the words of so many leaders today. Rather, he was always the first to lead by example, and this is why we find that during his lifetime so many different types of people accepted Islam. From amongst the Prophet's companions we find that he had an Ethiopian companion by the name of Bilal. Bilal had been a slave before he accepted Islam, and as a result his standing in Arabian society was worse then the animals. However, upon Bilal's conversion to Islam, the force to combat the disease of Iblis, became known to all. Bilal was given a status like no Black slave had been given before. He was given the immense honour of being the first person to call the Adhaan (call to prayer) in Islam's glorious history. More importantly however, he was accepted as an equal and a brother by the Prophet and his companions. Through its teachings and practical implementation by the Prophet and his companions, Islam has spread to every corner of the known world. You will not see a more assorted group of people than the Muslims. From China to Spain, Siberia to Australia - never has there been such a wide body of people all united under one banner - the banner of Islam. The Prophet (saws) said: "Whosoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for nationalism or calling to nationalism or assisting nationalism and then dies, he dies the death of the pre-Islamic days"[9]. This statement of the Prophet makes it clear that the consequences of involving ourselves in nationalism (which is a form of racism), is dying upon disbelief. And whosoever dies upon disbelief will undoubtedly taste the Fire of Hell. Through such statements, Islam totally isolates all forms of racism which can occur amongst humanity. It is indeed sad, that people cannot observe such beautiful advice, for if they did then maybe all the bloodshed caused by nationalism, ethnic cleansing etc. can be avoided. The rites and injunctions of Islam also help to overcome racism. An example of this is the prayer of the Muslims. When Muslims pray in congregation, they are commanded by Islam to join together their ankles and shoulders to those next to them. Whether a man is a king, a leader, a stave, a judge or even a beggar, this command is incumbent upon every Muslim. Thus Blacks, Whites, Arabs, Indians, Malays and all other races: are truly united by worshipping their Creator. This unity is not only confined to the prayer, but to the whole of ones life, to the extent that Muslims try to fall under the saying of their beloved Prophet who said: "The example of the believers in their mutual love and mercy is like the example of a body; if one part of the body feels pain, then all the body suffers in sleeplessness and fever "[10]. It is evident that a Muslim follows this example set by the Prophet, when he/she feels distress at the situation of the Muslims around the world, be they from Africa, Palestine, Kashmir, Bosnia etc. Unity amongst such a wide range of people, can only be created by Islam. Another rite which has helped so many to eradicate racism from their lives, is the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca), which is obligatory upon every Muslim at least once in a lifetime. The Hajj brings together the peoples of the world, all at one time of the year, in one place. Anyone who has witnessed this annual rite of Islam, will truly testify that there is nothing quite like it. The breathtaking view of millions of people gathered together, all for the purpose of worshipping Allah, is unforgettable. It was this rite of lslam which changed the life of the famous Black nationalist-turned-Muslim, Malcolm X [11]. Describing his experiences he said: "Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practised by people of all colours here in this ancient Holy land.... There were tens of thousands of pilgrims from all over the world. They were of all colours, from Blue-eyed blondes to Black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the White and non-White. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem"[12]. The words of Malcolm X can be added to; it is not only America which needs to understand Islam, but rather the whole world. Islam has brought so much to the lives of so many, that it is inconceivable that racism could be defeated without it. From the moment the Prophet preached his message of unity under the worship of Allah, did the light of hope shine forth in this World of darkness. Honour has been given to all those who have entered Islam. Throughout the ages, those who normally would have been downtrodden were rescued and dignified by Islam. Today, this is still continuing. People who were clearly racist (like Malcolm X) have been humbled and overwhelmed by the truth of Islam. British National Party members, Ku Klux Klan members, members of the Nation of Islam and many others from racist organisations, have all become united under the banner of Islam. It is now up to the people of the world to choose; do they want to stay in the darkness of racism or do they want to be illuminated by the light of Islam? Either way, Islam will still be, the ONLY solution for racism. |
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| zanfaz |
| 01/18/02 at 06:59:52 |
| [slm] [quote] With my cousins in India, if I ask them what qualities do you look for in a potential bride, they usually say they don't mind as long as she is fair. Even if the girl is amazingly beautiful, if she is too dark they don't consider her attractive. With the men, if they are dark skinned it doesn't seem too much of an issue. [/quote] Here in India, looks(read fair skin) are *very* important for a girl. A girl's beauty is judged primarily by her skin color. You should see people stare when a white women passes on the street :o:o:o [quote] Oh well, if people just marry for looks alone. goodluck to them [/quote] This is the custom in our society. That's why i asked what's the correct islamic procedure in another thread. [quote] But there always seems to be some sort of bizzare rivalry based on skin colour, between N.Indians and S.Indians [/quote] More than the skin color, i think the rivalry is due to diverse culture and attitude of the people. North indians are considered to be tough and arrogant, whereas South indians are considered as bookish and very straight forward (ie., not smart). There's also so much name calling...all South indians are called 'madrasis', whereas people of UP and Bihar are called as 'bhaiyas' :) I work in a very cosmopolitan environment. There are equal numbers of south indians and north indians. They generally hv seperate groups and don't intermingle with each other much. The rivalry is very apparent. Take care, have a nice weekend !! wassalam Faizan |
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| Marcie |
| 01/18/02 at 17:20:51 |
| As salamu alaykum, Mariam, as far as I know fair skin is also an issue in Morocco as well. As for the influence that movies and tv have on a person even here in the States young people are influenced by what they see. I grew up watching Cosby and everything was so easy. Then You get older and realize that life is hard work. I think that a lot of us need a reality check. As salamu alaykum Marcie |
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| Kashif |
| 01/18/02 at 18:45:26 |
| [quote]Here in India, looks(read fair skin) are *very* important for a girl. A girl's beauty is judged primarily by her skin color.[/quote] assalaamu alaikum I would be surprised if the significance of skin colour in determining a woman's beauty was only prominent in India. When i read 'The tales of 1001 Arabian nights' (or whatever its called) there was often some prince who happened to come across a girl who was the fairest of fair, or her skin was white like the moonlight or something, and this was supposed to represent the pinnacle of natural beauty. So i'm sure that something like this has prominence throughout the Muslim world especially indo-pak & the Middle East. Kashif Wa Salaam |
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| Barr |
| 01/20/02 at 05:47:02 |
| Assalamu'alaikum :-) Just a quick addition... It's the same in this part of the world as well. I know stories of brothers who specified a "fair sisters only" policy. Plus, the Malay beauty is also described to have skin like a peeled boiled egg. well, you know what colour and texture that is. Wassalam :-) |
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| abc |
| 01/21/02 at 02:59:24 |
| Assalamu alaikum What an interesting thread :) My opinion of hindi movies and tv in general- a big thumbs down and disaproving shake of the head. *Don't* waste your time and energy on these things. [quote] the Malay beauty is also described to have skin like a peeled boiled egg [/quote] It's a good thing they don't specify it as the colour of the yolk!! LOL...that would hard to get LOL Isn't it funny that people always want to get what they don't have? I mean, indian women are naturally brown and they want to get fair, european women are naturally fair but think a good dark tan is the most beautiful thing! Reminds me of this rhyme my friend told me: [i] As a rule (wo)man is a fool, when it's hot (s)he wants it cool, when it's cool (s)he wants it hot, Always wanting what is not!! |
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| MuslimSis |
| 01/21/02 at 05:29:14 |
| as-salaamu alaikum, "As a rule (wo)man is a fool, when it's hot (s)he wants it cool, when it's cool (s)he wants it hot, Always wanting what is not!!" -hehe, i agree, films r to time consumin, unrealistic and they bring dreams out of many ppl that just is soo annoyin:( sum ppl start wantin a filmy life from wat i've seen. And abt fair skin and obsesions!!! well wat can i say??? ...i am ashamed to say that i personally do watch indian films sometimes:( (but end up forwardin the songs...so i miss half the film as the instruments used are not right!;)) |
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| M.F. |
| 01/21/02 at 08:22:08 |
[quote] Mariam, as far as I know fair skin is also an issue in Morocco as well. [/quote] Assalamu alaikum From what I've seen it's not really an "issue". Yes, it is one standard of beauty, but it's not important enough to be an issue, and certainly not THE standard without which nothing else will do like it is in India. And it's certainly not one of the things that men look for in a woman when they're looking to get married! |
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| MuslimSis |
| 01/21/02 at 08:44:57 |
| as-salaamu alakium,[quote]And it's certainly not one of the things that men look for in a woman when they're looking to get married![/quote]...yea but the mother in-laws do;) their coments bein; she's darker then ma son (or should i say; she's to dark for ma son;)), her features dont stnad out, no ur aunts daughter in-law is prettier..ect;)-hehe, admit it or not, 4many cultures, these are the comments some ppl get!!!:) take care |
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| veilsofbeauty |
| 01/23/02 at 15:56:32 |
| Gotta add my two cents ! :) Firstly, I quit wathcing the Hindi movies years ago. I mean seriously, those dances were just getting downfight dirty! I mean DIRTY! :P And the people who make up the storylines have no creativity whatsoever (rich girl falls in love with poor village boy, somehow they end up in the mountains dancing and there's all these extra dancers who pop up from no where...in the end the parents get along e.t.c.) And the fair skin stuff...yeah totally that's what the mother in-law's after, and coloured eyes are a definite plus so that her grandkids will also have green eyes. Don't know if this is true or not...but a friend once told me that if you go for looks alone, Allah will make that person ugly in your heart. Dunno. |
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| BroHanif |
| 01/23/02 at 18:31:41 |
| AWW, It's the same in this part of the world as well Sis Barr I know stories of sisters who specified a "fair gillett only" policy. No to molvi saab(mosque man) with ammamah and big thick beard but yes to Bond, James Bond. [quote]And the fair skin stuff...yeah totally that's what the mother in-law's after, and coloured eyes are a definite plus so that her grandkids will also have green eyes [/quote] I know Sis, like whats wrong with a dark Bro, maybe he might look dark from outside but his heart will be white with iman. salaams Hanif |
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| Laboogie |
| 01/23/02 at 19:04:09 |
| [slm] [quote]like whats wrong with a dark Bro, maybe he might look dark from outside but his heart will be white with iman [/quote] That was deep... |
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| se7en |
| 01/23/02 at 19:19:29 |
| as salaamu alaykum, Have you ever met someone with noor just *radiating* from their face? It is so amazingly beautiful. Really makes the heart ache. And noor radiates no matter what your complexion :) Bro Hanif, your comments remind me of this article [url=http://www.jannah.org/shazia/beards.html]here[/url], just a little humor about beards :) wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah :-) |
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| alzinjibar |
| 01/27/02 at 12:41:23 |
| Bismillah Salam alaykum, I remember back in Africa in the middle of those little towns lost in the bush, there was always these matinee, in the good old days, when we were small it was a wonderfull occasion, especially for Eid, in the afternoon all the muslims(Africans,Indians,Pakistani,Arab), will get dressed in their best and walk to every home to give our Eid mubarak in all the houses, and every one will give the kids a couple of coins, at that time is was big money. Then we'll all head for the matinee, and the best ones were Indians, man you guys reminds me of so many things, the times of Sholay, with the Gabar sing, Amitab, Reka'a and Hema Malin. After the movie all boost up by the happy ending, we'll go to the local Indian store and feast of mitai and kulfi, it was something else at those times to see the stets filled with all these Indian, Pakistani and Arab kids. That went on till we started to realize that there were way to many lies. The Anti dote was our granny (ra) when the first video started to show up, we had all these Hollywood and French movies but she didn't want to heart any thing about them, she just wanted to see her movies, all the time, since she was Arab but speaking Urdu and Hindi. So we got an overdose of Satiam Shivan Sundaram and Silsila, oh boy from after lunch till before maghreb it was one movie and the second day the other one, and the cycle started again. All the kids rebelled after 2 sessions, for we knew the movie by heart, had them memorized to the little nuance. Guess in our dreams we could sing those songs. After that none of us wanted to watch Indian movies no longer, that was it. We couldn't take it any more. But that was it. But they keep on attracting people by the hundreds, funny thing is those movies didn’t have any subtitle and translation, they were in Hindi Urdu yet, people will seat through the long hours, and one could even hear, one African brother asking another, what did he say? And he'll get a reply.... despite the fact that none spoke the language, go figure that one, I guess that's Africa. One of the funny thing was in all the towns there is always some people with a psychological or mental deficiency, I mean all those people who were sick, were usually kept at home, unless extreme cases that's when they taken to a hospital. Well there was this gentle guy, half Arab-Arab, whose parent had a shop, he was really a cool guy, just a bit "deranged", you know the type of guy who'll come in the football field pick up the ball and run with it in the middle of a match, because the players didn't want him to play in the team because the poor guy couldn’t understand the rules. Well anyways this guy would sing kabi kabi to all the girls who passed by after school, I mean the guy was serious. He was never ever violent, just the happy simple person. He went as far as proposing to someone for his daughter. I mean imagine this scene, at 5pm, you have all the indo-pak-arab oldies sitting under a veranda chit chatting and drinking chai, coffee and some chewing pan, and here comes this guy, straight to his dad and: " Baba, I want money.. And I want something else. The dad: what do u want money for and what is the other thing? The guy: well I want money to get married and I want you to propose to your friend, uncle so and so, for his daughters hand. Dad: mmm I think you are still to young for that, so we'll talk about it later in a couple of years.. Oh well that was Africa. Coming to the point of movies and love, subhn'Allah it's always the same stories, change a couple of things, but some stuff, since we were kids till I guess when we'll be grand parents. Except in the old days there was still some haya there, today it's just plain "ose" to say the least. This is really getting sick, especially now that satellite dishes are so cheap and wide spread, not to long ago, after maghreb people used to visit each other, chit chat, exchange, sympathize, console one another and that was all over east and central Africa. Nowadays khalas it's finish, no more discourse, everyone is glued to the TV’s set, since people get free Arab movies, one used to walk in the neighborhoods through the small alleys and find the grannies and aunties sitting on a veranda, chit chatting, about this and the others, now, you can hardly see anyone. That's a whole tradition disappearing. Gone. The oral traditions vanished under the wave of bollywhood. It has reach such a deep level of bewilderment that people prefer to pray at home, despite the fact that there is at least 3 masjid within a 300m radius. At salat time people will just run, pray quickly and run back. . And the worst thing is people take these things seriously, just recently 3 young couples, one after another run away, well they were in love and the parents refused to hear it. Reasons, well he's sunni, she's shia, well he's Pakistani and she's Arab, so they run away to another country, till the parents managed to go get them and marry them, and in other cases, well get her married to a far cousin in London or NY. |
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| amal |
| 01/27/02 at 19:13:02 |
| slm, [quote] funny thing is those movies didn’t have any subtitle and translation, they were in Hindi Urdu yet, people will seat through the long hours, and one could even hear, one African brother asking another, what did he say? And he'll get a reply.... despite the fact that none spoke the language, go figure that one, I guess that's Africa. [/quote] Hahahahahahaaaaa...I was laughing so hard i cried! I have a relative who fits that description perfectly. We call him the professor..LOL! Aside from indians and pakistanis, i thought only somalis had this infatuation with indian movies. I guess the disease is wide spread ;) salam :) ps- where you from alzinjibar? |
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| Asim |
| 01/27/02 at 23:49:45 |
| wlm [quote]Aside from indians and pakistanis, i thought only somalis had this infatuation with indian movies. I guess the disease is wide spread [/quote] Yes it is :) Nigerians were really into the movies. I knew Nigerian kids who could sing the entire song "aap jaisa koyi meri zindagi mein...." And it wasn't uncommon to see people going "I am a disco dancer..." :D Oftentimes, when we met someone they would go namaste thinking that we are hindus. Cinemas regularly showed Indian movies and they would be filled with the locals and it can be quite hilarious to see them shouting out when the bad guys get pummeled, etc. Ah, this reminds me, a little kid like 6-7 years old alway went dishum, dishum, dishum, in an imaginary bout of fighting! This just shows how bollywood and hollywood can penetrate peoples mind and heart. |
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| reg |
| 01/28/02 at 00:38:22 |
| [slm] I've hated Indian movies since I was a kid. I remember during the late 80's when I was around 10 years old, they used to show 'em every Sunday, my whole family, plus the servants and their kids, all sit in front of the TV and watch it. I would always go somewhere else and play. While I'm leaving, sometimes my dad tells me "I don't like to watch them either, son", HAHAHAHAHA yet he watched 'em every single time!. [wlm] |
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| tq |
| 01/28/02 at 10:29:10 |
| Assalamo elikuim I lived in Libya for sometime and Indian movies were pretty famous there too. The movies usually had English or Arabic(mostly) sub titles. Wasalam tq |
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| Hania |
| 01/28/02 at 17:46:18 |
| Why is it that when an Indian song comes on the female voice always sounds so high pitched? It’s as if the singer breathes in helium from a balloon before the recording of each song. Aren’t there any popular Indian female singers with less high-pitched voices? |
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| Barr |
| 01/29/02 at 06:02:22 |
| Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullah :-) [quote]Have you ever met someone with noor just *radiating* from their face? It is so amazingly beautiful. [/quote] Yes, mashaAllah :) I call it beauty with depth. In this part of the world, from the time of my great grandmother, people watch Hindi movies! And no, they don't understand a word of it!no kidding! And don't ever ask me to watch Hindi movies, coz, I'll just make fun of it, and sisters ended up getting frustrated with me, coz, they ended up laughing instead of crying and be overwhelmed with emotions. They say I take away the "shiok"ness of the show. Shiok (malay)= umph! = x factor = greatness = ... = ... But I like good 'ol love stories like Wives and Daughters, Jane Eyre, Sense and Sensibility, Little Women, Braveheart (only between Wallace and his wife), Much Ado about Nothing and other books by Jane Austen, the Bronte sisters... oh yes.. "While you were Sleeping" is cool too... you never know what.. I mean who you're gonna get! "Forces of Nature" and "The Little Mermaid" and "Pocahontas" is cool too. Forces of Nature, (my friend told me the plot of the story) makes me scared. The Little Mermaid, and Pocahontas makes me sad. Err.. sorry from rambling. Better stop now.... Wassalam!:-) |
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