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| mujaahid |
| 01/19/02 at 16:37:00 |
| Assalaamu-alaikum [EDITED BY ADMIN] This is from azzam.co.uk -------------------------------- "US MILITARY: HAND OVER USAMA AND MULLA UMAR OR FACE THE SAME FATE AS YOUR AFGHAN BROTHERS WANA(Special Report/Online): In what can be described as a clear display of US frustration and failure to capture leaders of the Taliban and Arab Mujahideen, it has been reported that the US Military have threatened residents of Pakistan, who live in the regions close to the Pak-Afghan border. At around midnight yesterday, US helicopters dropped thousands of leaflets around the Banu region of Pakistan, which lies near the Afghan border. The leaflets read that: "The coward Usama Bin Ladin and Mulla Umar, alongwith other Taliban and Al-Qaida leaders should be handed over immediately, otherwise your fate will be worst than the Afghans." Consequently, it has been reported that the residents of Banu have started preparing to evacuate the region, in fear of possible US attack. It must be noted that this is the first time such leaflets have been dropped over Pakistan soil, which perhaps hints to a change of US strategy in its search for leaders of Al-Qaida and the Taliban. It might come as a surprise to the Muslims in Pakistan who had thought that the US had 'saved' them and guaranteed their security, rather it is expected that the US military will carry covert operations on Pakistan soil, where yet more lives will be lost to this War on Islam and Muslims. Perhaps this might teach the apostate government of Pakistan a lesson for aiding the disbelievers over the Muslims, and Allah is All-Wise, Most Able. CAMP X-RAY: 600 CAGES FOR 2000 MUSLIM PRISONERS GUANTANAMO(NNI): The US Joint task force 160 Commander Brigadier General Michael Lehzet in Guantanamo Bay, stated in a press conference that so far only 200 cages have been prepared at the US Naval base, and this is due to be extended to 600 cages that will have the capacity for 2000 Muslim prisoners. He said that the interrogation of Al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners has yet to begin and will be done upon receiving orders, although no time frame has been set for this. PASHTUN TRIBES CHOOSE NOT TO COOPERATE WITH THE US MILITARY AND REMAIN STEADFAST FOR THE MUJAHIDEEN WASHINGTON(Online): The Pashtun tribes of Eastern Afghanistan have been steadfast in their refusal to cooperate with the US Military in their search for Al-Qaida and Taliban Mujahideen. According to the New York Times, the majority of the tribal leaders of the Pashtun tribes are not supporting US Special Forces in their search operations in the Eastern Afghanistan region. Consequently, US forces have been facing a great number of difficulties and dangers within this region, knowing that Taliban and Al-Qaida Mujahideen have operational guerilla attack units present around the whole area. The Mujahideen are reportedly using underground bunkers and other hidden locations as bases to carry out their attacks. It might be for this reason that the Pentagon doesn't wish to send any more of its troops to these Eastern Afghan regions of Paktia, Paktika and Khost. The US Military probably acknowledges that it would be too dangerous for them to send in troops without some sort of support from the local tribes. Hence, the cowardly US has resorted to continuous carpet bombing air strikes instead of launching a ground offensive, probably for fear of losing yet more American lives. The US continues to gather intelligence from the air through U-2 spy planes, Predator, RC 135 revet and other specialised aircraft. YET ANOTHER FAILURE OF US MILITARY 'STRATEGY' MEERANSHAH(Agencies/Islam News): US Marines have reportedly returned to their bases after interrogating residents of the Zawar region in the province of Khost for six days. Our sources report that US Commandos have left the regions of Tora Bora, Baghran and Zawar after bombing these regions continuously for two weeks and not finding a single Arab or Taliban Mujahid. It seems the Pentagon doesn't wish to embarrass itself any further by continuing the bombing of these areas, which clearly had no trace of Mujahideen and hence the regions of Baghran and Tora Bora aren't being mentioned so often in the international media. The US Military had boasted of its intense bombing over various mountains and destruction of caves in these regions, but the locals have refuted all these claims and said that all these caves are still intact and totally reusable after little repair. The US Military failed in Tora Bora and Baghran and now it has failed in Zawar. May Allah give victory to the Mujahideen. NUMEROUS COLLECTIONS OF THE HOLY QURAN, FIQH AND HADITH BOOKS SET ON FIRE IN KANDAHAR KANDAHAR(Special Correspondent): The library of the Central Religious Institution in Kandahar was set on fire. According to details, the Interim Government ordered its servicemen to burn the Religious Institutions' library, which was one that Ameer-ul-Mumineen was very fond of. This library contained thousands of copies of the Holy Quran, Ahadith and Fiqh books, which were all set on fire. The fumes were seen rising from the remains of the library for two consecutive days. This Institution was setup with sincere donations from the Muslims of Pakistan, Britain, Saudi Arabia and Africa. The Supreme Court's religious institution was also set on fire after it was looted, hence important rulings that had been passed during the Islamic rule of the Taliban were lost in the process. It must be noted that over 180 Religious institutions have already been forcefully shut down after orders from the local Kandahar government. Is this the justice and civilisation that the international community keeps ranting on about? |
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| Anik |
| 01/19/02 at 05:42:39 |
| aslaamu alaikum, In Islam brother, anyone correct me if I am wrong, we try to cover the faults of our brothers... To wish shame upon a group of us who did not condone Musharraf's actions, but tried to understand them, is not in the true spirit of our faith, let alone this board. I have nothing but good and encouraging things to say for you, about you (read the "What do you think of the sister/brothers..." thread in the Bebzi Stand) and I still uphold my brotherly love and RESPECT for you. Please keep this in mind next time my name comes on the top of your Shame List to the community. I would send you this in IM to keep it between us, but I think I speak for the two other persons you mentioned as well. You are a great guy and a passionate person. Keep it up. asalaamu alaikum. abdullah,. |
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| mujaahid |
| 01/19/02 at 16:38:12 |
| Assalaamu-alaikum [color=red][edited by moderator][/color] and now EDITED BY ADMIN |
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| explorer |
| 01/19/02 at 08:57:50 |
| [slm] From reading the report above, I assume your concern here is about the threats being made in US leaflets against Pakistani border citizens 'meeting the same fate as their afghan brothers'. Well whats your problem, we're only witnessing what the US has always wanted to do to muslims with or without Pakistan's support for the US right? Every individual is accountable for their own sins and only Allah knows whats in our hearts, so its hardly my fault is it ;-D I'm not asking the US to make threats against or bomb muslim people, my duas are with the ummah and I certainly don't want to see another 140 million muslim people suffer similar to Iraq or Afghanistan, a consequence if Pakistan sided against the US - that consequence is the reasoning behind anyones stance on this matter. If Musharaff didn't save Pakistan, what in your opinion will happen to Pakistan now? Get bombed? Enlighten me.... |
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| mujaahid |
| 01/19/02 at 09:44:24 |
| Assalaamu-alaikum <I certainly don't want to see another 140 million muslim people suffer similar to Iraq or Afghanistan, a consequence if Pakistan sided against the US> But the simply fact is they WILL suffer the same fate! The US has already dropped leaflets into pakistan telling the pakistani's what will happen to them. DING DING!! HELLO!! WAKE UP!!! Pakistan is about to be bombed, by the same people you bowed down! If you stood upto them, you would have been saved, if you stood your ground, you would not be in this position. What happened when India made the threats? You massed THOUSANDS of troops on your borders ready to make sure you meet them head on. Yet when the US threatened you, you bowed down to them!!! Why? Dont you realise India and the US have good military ties, dont you realise Britain has recently agreed to sell india 60 Tomohawk bombers? The india have the ability to do serious damge, and paksiatn know it, but why put your forces on standby for India and not the US? <If Musharaff didn't save Pakistan, what in your opinion will happen to Pakistan now? Get bombed? Enlighten me....> Get Bombed. Thats whats gona happen. And you know what Musharraf will say? "o people of the world, pakisatn was not attacked, they only bombed pakistan regions where we have terrorists, who nastey muslims who dont bow to the us, they got bombed, i call on pakistan to trust me, i am your puppet leader" Pakistan is gona get bombed, and its thier own fault. Now you got india massed on one side, US threatening from the other side, China now call for closer links with India! Pakistan is on thier own. KNOWONE can help you now apart from Allah, turn to Allah, not to secularism, because if you dont, you will meet your fate soon. Your leader helped kill over 10'000 of my muslim brothers and sisters. Do you really think musharraf is gona walk free from this? Do you really think him and his munaafiq sidekicks will walk away? You abandoned millions of afghans to save your own butts, now should the rest of the ummah do the same? If the USA now again demand flying rights of indonesia, because they wanna attack pakistan, how would you feel if indonesia turn around and say "we will help you USA, we will help you bomb pakistan because if we dont help you, we will get bombed". But you know what? Dont worry, because the indonesian nation is not ruled by selfish cowards, unlike Pakistan, and they are not munaafiq, unlike pakistans rulers, and that is why they will never allow their space to be used to kill your people. |
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| explorer |
| 01/19/02 at 11:04:26 |
| [slm] [i]But the simply fact is they WILL suffer the same fate! The US has already dropped leaflets into pakistan telling the pakistani's what will happen to them. DING DING!! HELLO!! WAKE UP!!! Pakistan is about to be bombed, by the same people you bowed down! [/i] Really? Didn't you say a while back that the US would never bomb Pakistan? Let me quote your words... "The USA would NEVER have even dropped a single bomb on pakistan, it would have been a disaster for washington! All they would have done was impose more sanctions, and boycotts. Nothing more. Refer to thread http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=general&action=display&num=5955 Now these are 2 clear contradictory statements by you. First you believe the US won't bomb, now you think they are about to. A sudden change of position. Which of the 2 do you go by, the former or the latter or are you yet to formulate an opinion? It seems you write by plain rhetoric and emotion without any sense of the real situation. Anyway, don't worry about the leaflets, they're a scaremongering tactic by the US. [i]If you stood upto them, you would have been saved, if you stood your ground, you would not be in this position.[/i] If Pakistan went to war with the US, it would have been reduced to rubble. [i]What happened when India made the threats? You massed THOUSANDS of troops on your borders ready to make sure you meet them head on. Yet when the US threatened you, you bowed down to them!!! Why? Dont you realise India and the US have good military ties, dont you realise Britain has recently agreed to sell india 60 Tomohawk bombers? The india have the ability to do serious damge, and paksiatn know it, but why put your forces on standby for India and not the US? [/i] Mujaahid, do you have any understanding on Geo-Politics and Military strengths? India has been massing troops and making threats for years in order to highlight Pakistan on the world stage for sending mujahideen into Kashmir. Thats India's cunning policy against Pakistan, isolation and label it as a terroist supporting nation on which both accounts it has failed. Furthermore, Pakistan has enough conventional stocks to sustain a short-war with India, but certaintly not with a superpower. Theres a difference in the strengths of the US and Indian militaries. Kindly refer to www.fas.org for a better understanding of the world's military forces. Some of the info is outdated though. And what on earth is a 'Tomohawk bomber'????????????!!!!!!! I've been a military enthusiast for years, but this is the first time I'm hearing of a 'Tomahawk bomber' ;-D What is it? [i]Pakistan is gona get bombed, and its thier own fault.[/i] OK. Let me grab my shovel and go dig a bunker from those nasty Daisy Cutters raining down on me. And I'd better stock up on canned beans too.... [i]Now you got india massed on one side, US threatening from the other side, China now call for closer links with India! [/i] Kindly refer to the above answers. But one short word...Geo-Politics! [i]Your leader helped kill over 10'000 of my muslim brothers and sisters. Do you really think musharraf is gona walk free from this? Do you really think him and his munaafiq sidekicks will walk away? [/i] He is accountable for his own sins. A few laymen on the internet can't change his stance. [i]Pakistan is on thier own. KNOWONE can help you now apart from Allah, turn to Allah, not to secularism, because if you dont, you will meet your fate soon. [/i] Thanks for your advice, may Allah reward you. [i]You abandoned millions of afghans to save your own butts, now should the rest of the ummah do the same? [/i] Who me? :o Did I abandon millions of Afghans? :o What has the "ummah" done for anyones 'butts'? What did the Ummah do for Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, Bosnia, Somalia, Chechnya, Kosovo.........? Besides rhetoric, may I kindly ask what are you doing for the millions of Afghans. [i]If the USA now again demand flying rights of indonesia, because they wanna attack pakistan, how would you feel if indonesia turn around and say "we will help you USA, we will help you bomb pakistan because if we dont help you, we will get bombed". [/i] Kindly refer to a map of the world to see the proximity of Indonesia to Pakistan and the geography of South Asia. US doesn't need flying rights over Indonesia to bomb Pakistan. lol Mujaahid, I'm a little curious, how old are you? Take care, [wlm] ;) |
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| mujaahid |
| 01/19/02 at 16:39:00 |
| Salaam EDITED BY ADMIN Wasalaam |
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| explorer |
| 01/19/02 at 13:28:40 |
| [slm] [i]Explorer dont use the "Western" approach of taking things out of context. [/i] Now you wouldn't be reffering to your common tactic of constantly twisting peoples words around would you? [i]When i said the US would not have Attacked Pakistan, i was referring to BEFORE they set up bases in and around Pakistan. At that time, they had few means to enter Pakistan airspace apart from around India, which would have meant asking for flying rights from arab nations, which they would not have got!! [/i] Few means to enter Pakistan airspace? Simply unbelievable, do you know how many routes into Pakistan there are to attack? One is via India and the other through Pakistan's Arabian sea coast, leaving Pakistan completely out flanked and defenseless. Even from India is enough to attack Pakistan's entire eastern border with rest of the country just minutes flying time away. [i]At THAT time, pakistan simply would not have been bombed, as it would be VERY difficult for the US to carry out any military operations!! That was then, this is now. Now its all changed. [/i] Before was the perfect time to bomb Pakistan if it didn't meet up to US demands because of the worldwide support against terrorism. Now that Pakistan has succumbed to US demands there are no war cries from the US govt to Pakistan's military. And it isn't very difficult for the US to carry out air operations against Pakistan - read the answer above about air routes. [i]When musharraf went down on his hands and knees, taking his whole nations with him, and gave the US bases, all of the sudden the US have a massive military presence in and around Afgfhnaistan, and pakistan! NOW it would be easy for them to bomb Pakistan! [/i] One doesn't need to have bases inside a country to bomb it! You bomb it from external bases ie. aircraft carriers, or land bases in neighbouring countries (India). Bombing from within Pakistan is suicidal, US personnel in the air bases would be killed by surface-surface missiles, long range artillery barrages none of which the US can target because of terrain masking. So the logic that bombing them now from within is completely flawed and without foundation. [i]They can do as they please, and you know what? Pakistan can't say nothing to the US! In fact the US have kicked out all pakistani personel from thier bases! [/i] Nonsense. Pakistan HAS asked the US to tone down its operations from pakistani bases and since the Indo-Pak flare up, Jacobabad air base is currently being operated jointly by US and Pakistani air force personnel. [i]I'd rather be emotional then support a man who help kill thousands of our muslim brothers and sisters.[/i] And rather support the bombing of Pakistan with 10000's of more muslims killed? No one is supporting him but coming to terms with the stance on saving thousands of more muslims in Pakistan. [i]lol! Failed? Really? But dont you realise the US and the UK are saying pakistan must stop its support of terrorism, sponsoring and exporting it? And what about all musharrafs rhetoric about he will end terrorism in his nation, he will do as india says. Any intelligent person can see India have been *very* succesful in labelling Pakistan as a terrorist state, more so then they could have dreamed of! [/i] India has not managed to label Pakistan as a terrorist supporting nation. It tried to do so at the UN but failed. The west is asking Pakistan to clamp down on groups they regard as terrorist outfits, but haven't yet labelled Pakistan as a terrorist supporting nation much to India's detriment. [i]Tomohawk is another name (nickname) for Hawk Jets the UK use. They have agreed to sell 60 to India. Watch out Musharraf and co. [/i] The Hawk jet is a combat-capable trainer the indian air force is considering for advanced training. It is not called 'Tomohawk', nor is it a bomber and formal agreements between the 2 governments have been annulled after the US refused to include its avionics in the jet. [i]Kindly refer to the pre-bombing campaign.The USA demanded flying rights over Indonesia to attack Afghanistan, which is slap bang, shock horror, next to Pakistan! Why? Because from indonesia its a direct route, shorter time, less air-refuelling, lot easeir operations, less costly, hence less strain on the economy.[/i] Fly over Indonesia to attack Afghanistan?!!! Why would they do that when they have battle groups in the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf which are closer to Afghanistan? Look at a map of South Asia. Where are these planes flying *from*? The only aircraft flying long-distance routes to Afghanistan were B2s from the US mainland and B1's from Diego Garcia, both of which use air-air refuelling to cut down mission time. And the air-refuelling costs are negligable to have any substantial effect on the worlds biggest economy! Anyway, I'm not wasting my time any further on correcting juvenille statements. |
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| Kashif |
| 01/19/02 at 13:31:33 |
| assalaamu alaikum I don't think that opinions expressed by people here warrant a personal attack, or that they be treated as Musharraf's sidekicks - which they certainly aren't. Mujaahid bro, you need to calm down and stop saying "you this.." and "you that." And from a wider perspective, i don't think its a good idea to believe everything you read. I have my doubts over whether this leafletting campaign has actually occurred. Could we really imagine that if the US was threatening yo bomb Pakistan, that Azzam would be the only news agency to hear of that? C'mon! Kashif Wa Salaam |
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