Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
| "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| Haniff |
| 01/19/02 at 04:44:44 |
| Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Has anyone come across any research article on the phenomenon of "shrinking Earth" with particular reference to Verse 13 of Chapter 41 and Verse 21 of 44? [img]http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/arabic/13_41.gif[/img] Do they not see how We gradullay reduce the land from its outlying borders? When God judges, there is no power that could repel His judgment. He is swift in reckoning. [img]http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/arabic/21_44.gif[/img] Nay, We gave the luxuries of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them. See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will overcome. Wassalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Haniff (with 2 f's) |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| akbalkhan |
| 01/19/02 at 13:42:16 |
| Wa Lakum as Salam, Seems to me like this ayah is speaking to the loss of control of a territory to invaders as opposed to the earth actually getting smaller in size. Wa Allahu 'Alim. Regards, Qamar Akbal Kaan |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| akbalkhan |
| 01/19/02 at 16:31:51 |
| I did find a hadith too that speaks to the earth being shrunk for the benefit of the Rasulullah, SAWS, which may have led to misconceptions about this ayah. From Muslim: Book 041, Number 6904: Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Unimah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white trea- sure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others. ******************** This doesn't seem like a reference to that ayah, nor does it seem indicative either of this act being for other than the Rasulullah, SAWS, to see. Regards, Qamar Akbal Kaan |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| Hania |
| 01/19/02 at 17:09:12 |
| check out this site: http://www.bensys.mcmail.com/Islam.htm Science now can see that while the Earth is revolving around itself and orbiting in its elliptical path around the sun, It looses matter from its outer layers. This is what two references from the holy Quran state: In the name of God most gracious and most merciful: See they not how we the land reducing it of its outlying parts? REFERENCE(A): chapter (The Prophets) part of verse "44". (i.e.) surah XXI verse "44". In the name of God most gracious most merciful: See they not how we visit the land, reducing it of its outlaying parts? REFERENCE(B): Chapter (The Thunder) part of verse"41" (i.e.) surah XIV part of verse"41" |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| akbalkhan |
| 01/19/02 at 18:39:02 |
| I don't think that using the ayah of the Quran to prove a scientific finding is the idea, or even to use a scientific finding to prove an ayah is correct to do. In this particular case, I do not believe the ayah is saying what this guy is saying. 021.044 YUSUFALI: Nay, We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win? ********** 'In their control' seems to be a clear indication of territory. And the the websites' excerpt of the ayah failed to mention the whole ayah as well. I think it helped his point more not to include the end, and may Allah SWT protect us from taking what we want from the Quran and leaving others, but Wa Allahu 'Alim. The 'scientific' finding, which by the way provides no journal articles or scientists statement, refers to outlying matter which could be taken to be the atmosphere as well, which is not necessarily 'the land', due to the clear distinction between 'arz' and 'samawati'. I took a Atmoshpere and Oceanic Sciences course at U of Michigan, and fell into a dispute with my professor based on the fact that science considers the earth to be a closed system with regards to the elements and matter, however, meteors and organic materials are constantly being introduced into the atmosphere, with their millions of particles each hour, hence an open system, and an apparent increase as well as loss of 'outlying' matter. The study of this area of science seems to be far from thorough, and should not be taken to confirm the Quran, since the jury of scientists is not necessarily in regarding this matter, lest we should convince people of this argument and then have it turn out differently later, possibly disuading them as well. Regards, Qamar Akbal Kaan |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| Haniff |
| 01/20/02 at 05:04:14 |
| Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh What prompted my question and curiosity is the map of the Strait of Gibraltar showing the difference between today's shoreline in the region and the one that existed 21,000 years ago. This appeared in the Arab News of 28 December 2001 along with an article titled "Geologist looks at ice age Atlantis" by Guy Gugliotta. I could not trace an Internet version of this map, but I have given a similar one below: [img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1550000/images/_1554594_spain_gibraltar_map300.gif[/img] |
| Re: "Shrinking Earth" |
|---|
| akbalkhan |
| 01/20/02 at 12:21:17 |
| Wa Lakum as Salam, Haniff, we are in what is called an interglacial period, marked by a peak in world temperature, and a unlocking of water from the earth caps. This release of water remains on the surface of the oceans due to the isotope of its oxygen, its salinity, and temperature. Anywhere upwards of 10,000-20,000 years ago was a period in which, a glacial epoch was coming to an end, and more water was locked up in the ice caps and glaciers around the world. The release and lock up of glacial ice has the effect of increasing and decreasing shore size around the world, some of which can even be detailed in recent studies of Kyoto, and Pacific Islands most markedly. Most scientists agree on this. There is nothing in scientific evidence that would suggest that this process is not constantly at work, with land covered by water, and then water receding again, then increasing in land above water again. I do not understand this process to work exclusively in one direction or another, but for given periods of time. Regards, Qamar Akbal Kaan |
Individual posts do not necessarily reflect the views of Jannah.org, Islam, or all Muslims. All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the poster and may not be used without consent of the author.The rest © Jannah.Org |