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| mujaahid | |
| 01/22/02 at 08:08:30 | |
| Assalaamu-alaikum How do you people feel while watching, listening to and reading reports in the media about muslims, terrorism, Afghanistan, the Taleban etc? Personally, when they refer to the Taleban as terrorists it makes my blood boil. Everytime they Mention Imam Mullah Mohammed Omar, and refer to him as the evil taleban leader, it makes my blood boil. Everytime i see all this rubbish about how the Taleban were hated in afghanistan by everyone, i wish i could grab the reporter by the ears and drag him to the real afghans and MAKE him tell the truth about what people really think of the taleban. Reading the western media leaves me fuming, and angry at the lies, the propoganda, and the misleading rubbish they come out with. Does anyone else feel like this? Or is it just me? | |
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| Caraj | |
| 01/22/02 at 13:54:11 | |
| Actually from experience I can tell you I don't believe the Americans are being told ALL the truth as I don't think in Muslims countries all the truth is being written there either. I know the media prints what sells papers and the tv what sells air space. American paers will say what Americans want to hear and Muslims media what they want to hear. I mean no disrespect but I think both sides do not know everything. And many times things are color coated to draw the intended crowd. My son was interviewed in re: a sporting event one time and it quoted me as saying something I DID NOT SAY. It was petty but none the less I did not say it. I am fed up with the media and this whole world thing. I just wish we could all Love and respect one another. Or at the least respect one another. God/Allah created us all and we should be respectful of his creation >>>>>>>>> Mankind. I Love my country but I want to know where the heck was all this patrisium and where were all these flags before 911? When I was a child the flag was out for holidays, pres day, flag day, July 4 th etc. Till 911 hardly anyone put them out. Now the American flag is a source of income for many. Even local convienance stores are selling them. Makes my stomach turn. It is just another income making opportunity to many just as selling papers is. I don't agree with the terriorist and I don't agree totally with this Afganistan thing. I am tired of people being mean and hateful and selfish. Why do you need background check to clean and feed little old ladies and men in nursing homes but not to be a pilot? Why are people in this country to get a education who are not even going to school? Why are those guys in cages in Cuba and not regular cells? Why are we all fighting when the same God who made Muslims made Christians too. You know who I feel sorry for most? God/Allah, as I wonder if at times he doesn't look down at us shaking is head and asking himself....... "Why did I ever make them?" What Love and Patience and Mercy he must have. Media in my opinion is just another word for ... What a joke! WOW ... Did I say a bib full or what???????????????????? | |
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| mujaahid | |
| 01/22/02 at 14:25:36 | |
| Salaam Cara <Why are those guys in cages in Cuba and not regular cells?> Because America feels it has the right to do as it pleases, and feels it has the right to flaunt the Geneva convention, which they signed to, in regards to POW's. However i am personally happy with what the US is doing, because all of a sudden, in the west, people are turning agianst the US, people are starting to finally open thier eyes and see what the US government is really about! I have been shokced at how fast opinion has turned agianst the US! Yes those little old grannies and old grandads in thier care homes with nothing better to do spend thier time phoning TV polls to show support for the US agianst them "nastey little muslim terrorists", but the others, the young ones, the ones with open minds have all of a sudden tuirned agianst the US! One of the Majpr UK papers, the Mirror yesterday wrote something i thought i would never read in this country! "George Bush is coming close to doing the impossible, loosing our sympathy for Sept 11th!" America must realise that the way these prisoners have been treated is a disgrace, and the way the US has turned around and stuck 2 fingers up at the rest of the world has really got up the noses of most US allies! I hope the US continues its barbaric treatment, because only then will they be exposed, and only then will the rest of the world see what they really all about. <You know who I feel sorry for most? God/Allah, as I wonder if at times he doesn't look down at us shaking is head and asking himself....... "Why did I ever make them?"> Cara thats not the Islaamic view. Islaam says Allah knows everything, everything that will ever happen, Allah knows about. This is a punishment for the muslims for the way we no longer live according to islaam, in all aspects of our lives, and i'm sure ALL muslims are guilty of this. Allah says in the Quran that if we leave the worship of Allah, if we abandon what we are supposed to do, Allah will punish us with a harsh punishment on this earth, punish us with humiliation and oppression, and Allah goes onto say we will only get ourselves out of this situation if we return to our religion, fully and repent for our sins. Cara if you look at the muslims today, the islaamic world, it is humiliating to us muslims. It is humiliating to see our holy lands having people walking around in western dress, it is humiliating to find alchohol easily available, it is humiliating to know that Protitues are available in Hotels overlooking Mecca, we muslims are in a state of humiliation, and the death and murder of our people in Palestine, Chencya, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India to name but a few is the icing on the cake for the humiliation of the muslims world. Look at how our men fight back, they think strapping a bomb to themselves and blowong up a bus stop full of school kids is Jihad, they think blowing up restuarants is Jihad, they think killing Westertn Tourists is Jihad. Is it really Jihad? No. Its anger, fuelled by sheer suffering and brutality at the hands of the Jews in Israel, supported by the US. But this is OUR punishment from Allah. Until we return to our religion, and start living, eating and talking the way islaam has told us, only then will we muslims over come this humiliation! Until we do that, the muslims will remain in this sorry state. Sorry to go on, you must think i'm just another Fundy going mad ;) <Media in my opinion is just another word for ... What a joke> I agree Cara, they are a joke, sadly they have such a status that thier jokes are coming across as reality, and people are being so easily mislead by this media, so much so that one of the greatest Human beings alive Today, Mullah Omar, is now seen by many in the west as an evil, brutal thug who is the leader of this mediaval, barbaric murderous taliban malitia! But what can we do, we buy thier papers, listen to thier news, so they have no reason to stop what they are doing! If the truth was really known about the from september to the present day, so much would be different. But sadly, the government influenced media has brainwashed the general public, yesterday all they wrote about was who was having an affair with who, about how partners discover new sexual positions, about how some little girls lost thier virginity, about how great gay sex is, about how exciting running naked across a football pitch is. Now today, these same people are telling us whats going on in the War in Afghanistan, and the global fight against this so called "terrorism"! Sad how we get our facts from known perverts! | |
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| Caraj | |
| 01/23/02 at 03:40:56 | |
| As for western dress in Islamic lands???????????? No wonder friends of mine on the pc were shocked when I tell them I will cover myself/ dress appropriate, when I visit them in their country. I would expect anyone visiting a Muslim country to dress appropriately as to show respect for the country you are visiting and your host. Otherwise DON'T GO If not a full covering then at the very least very very conservative clothing. A scarf is no big deal and shows so much respect for your host and their family and beliefs. If someone came to my home inshort shorts and a halter top I would not ony be mad but angry as my neighbors would wonder what kind of person I am. Never would I show such lack of respect and lack of basic good manors when visiting someone in Saudi or Pakistan and not cover myself. As for hating the US, turning against it??????????????? I don't think that is right either. Hating something never changed it. I would prefer people have sympathy and pray for change and guide Americans to have more of a say in policy. There are people I can not stand, all my dislike will not change them and even could make things worse. I Love my country, I just wish it would do things differently at times. I am trying to chage what I can change and be loving, kind and accepting of all people. But Mujaahid!!! This was a thread about media so I think it would be best if we not cloud one subject with many other topics. May I say something out of concern??? After reading your posts lately I don't know if you see it but you are coming across as majorly against the US and anti-American. And maybe you are. I know we both have our opinions and we have respected each other. I have felt acceptance from you even when we don't agree. And this I think is a good thing. Actually I think it is a wonderful thing. When two people can talk and learn and relate and not always agree yet be respectful. And even be on friendly terms. My point is this. Islam = Peace right?????? Se7en, bhaloo and Janna (I hope I spelled that right) Try so hard to not only help their fellow Muslims but to educate the non Muslims visiting this site. Some might be turned off by some of the things you say and not take the time to get to know you as I did. Yes it is their loss but when you do posts and sound very totally in every way anti-American, please keep in mind or ask yourself, is this going to draw people to Islam or push them away??? I still don't know if I would convert. But if I don't at least I have knowledge and respect for the Muslim people. If I never become a Muslim I know in my heart all have welcomed me with open arms and hearts. I will always be here for and be a friend to the folks here. Please, some may not get to know you as I did. Maybe you don't realize how you sound at times or how you are coming across. Salaam, please remember >>>>>>>>>>>> I CARE, I REALLY REALLY DO :) Oh and those little old grannies, I think you missed my point, and the ones I talk of cannot even pick up a phone much less call a place to do a poll. I think we should all stop buying the papers and watching tv (but I know that won't happen) and go to our families, friends and neighbors and be loving and kind and helpful. If in a free country, practice your beliefs, if going to a Muslim country, then if a guest act like a humble guest. They have rules so abide by them or stay out. But back to the media??????????????????? words like ... lies....joke ... come to mind n matter which countries' media I am refering to. |
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| Kashif | |
| 01/22/02 at 19:55:03 | |
| assalaamu alaikum One thing i found very interesting over the last few days was that while nearly every major newspaper homepage in England had major features on the treatments of the Guantanamo prisoners, it was nowhere to be seen on the American equivalents. I'm also reading a book called "Necessary Illusions" its very good masha'allah. Kashif Wa Salaam | |
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| SuperHiMY | |
| 01/23/02 at 05:53:30 | |
AsalamAlay.com, Peace and e-Greetings be upon you. <Why are those guys in cages in Cuba and not regular cells?> Because Allah in His will has allowed the USA dominion over the Muslims in those cages. Because the Muslims in Afghanistan did not arrest Osama Bin Laden immediately and them try him immediately under Shariah before anything else happened. Because the Muslim the world over allowed the Muslims in Afghanistan to fight each other and kill each other after the kuffar communists were expelled from Afghanistan that same week in May when the ummah instead of celebrating that true jihadic victory instead distracted itself with marching against Salman Rushdie in cities the world over. Because, the moment we threw the colonial powers out of our muslim populated lands, instead of immediately re-uniting all those artificially created coutries by the british, the french, the italians, et al, and re-creating a single jurisdiction under shariah with one country and one true khalifa, we just continued with what artificial countries were created and today we fly over 50 flags instead of one or two muslim flags and no khalifa. Because, when we ALLOW the third most holy site in Islam to be controlled by non-muslims for more than 34 years since 1967, How can the kuffar NOT LAFF at us? Not do what they want with us? We don't care. THey've learned that muslims just don't do anything. Because, Castro ain't muslim, the Bay of Pigs is Khinzir, our ummah, for the most part doesn't really care. | |
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| se7en | |
| 01/23/02 at 20:24:11 | |
as salaamu alaykum, [quote]please keep in mind or ask yourself, is this going to draw people to Islam or push them away [/quote] This is something we all *seriously* need to ask ourselves when we post on the board, myself included. I never really thought I had much of a temper, before the board :) But there's a certain attitude some people have that really upsets me. This attitude of "It doesn't matter if I say things that will offend/turn people away from Islam, because Allah will guide whomever He wills." Now, of course, Allah will guide whomever He wills, as He is the one who guides peoples hearts, not you or me. But here is my question.. do you want Allah to guide someone to Islam *through* you? Or *despite* you? Just something to think about. wAllahu a'lam. wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllah ps - this post was not directed at anyone in particular. no seriously :) | |
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| Kathy | |
| 01/23/02 at 21:57:22 | |
[quote] Now, of course, Allah will guide whomever He wills,... But here is my question.. do you want Allah to guide someone to Islam *through* you? Or *despite* you? [/quote] Yeah, Hear, Hear! | |
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| mujaahid | |
| 01/24/02 at 08:05:50 | |
| <ps - this post was not directed at anyone in particular. no seriously> WAA WAA WAA!!! I CANT TAKE THIS NO!!! WONT YOU LET ME LIVE?? WAAA WAAA WAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! | |
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| Anik | |
| 01/24/02 at 11:03:38 | |
| asalmu alaikum Brother Mujahid, I don't think she's really saying something towards you, but much more in general. After all, turn-offish comments can come out of all of us, especially when we start talking about jahannam and shirk and and politics and stuff. Although I agree with presenting the brightEST side of Islam, I also believe there can be fair discussion of certains sensitive issues, opinions and even contoversial things. Many times we have recognize the mistakes of our ummah and constuctively criticize. But it has to be constructive. Pointing out the faults of certain muslims, while it is futile because it doesn't chaange things, CAN bring about awareness that our ummah needs. It does no one good if we just spew our personal bias and apathy out of a group of people, or if we start condemning others around us, or if we start to argue and be aangry with each other. I have realized this... I do not necessarily agree however that these sensitive issues should NEVER be discussed and that we should always rosy-up Islam. My belief is that Islam is the Bitter Pill of life and I don't pull my punches often, but we can present them in ways that the concerns become everyone's benefit rather than one side's accusations. asalamu alaikum. abdullah,. | |
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| Caraj | |
| 01/25/02 at 13:57:11 | |
| I hope I didn't sound like I wanted anyone to candy coat Islam. Please allow me to explain. When on this site it says Islam = Peace then someone rally's on toward revenge to me that is not peace. A brother out here when I was just starting on this Medina site sent me some nice emails about Islam and the Prophet *** (ok I know to be respectful I am suppose to say something after refering to the Prophet, so if someone will educate me here with what and why???) Anyway about how the Prophet with tears would pray for someone who had been hateful or hurtful to him. I'll try to find it and post it. So when you are talking forgiveness and peace then some posts show anger and the hope of revenge it conflicts. In the US we have a Christian group called Mormans. A lot of Christian groups put them down. This is something that always had me bothered and aloof with Christianity, No we are not perfect but read on ... but you know, when I was going through a rough divorce and living with 2 sons in a camper, Not the pastor nor his wife nor anyone in the church ever came to me asking... Can we help you,,,, Is there anything you need,,,, Can we pray for you/with you ,,,, Do you have food,,,, It was my Mormon friends that came to my rescue and helped me not my Baptist church. There are so many things I like so far about Islam that I don't find in the Christian churches. Mujaahid, I have so much respect for you ( you have no idea how much)even though I don't agree with you at times. You are not a cocky, prideful person... You are strong and passionate in what you believe yet you are open to listening to others opinions and even if you strongly disagree you are still nice to them and still their friend when the debate is over. You have no problems apologizing when you think you offended another. This takes a humble man. One who may feel he is 100% right yet if he offended someone he will apologize. All I was saying is ... I, as others, did take the time to get to know you, so we are not easily offended. Someone coming on the board for the first time, seeing some of your posts may not come back again. I don't expect anyone to candy coat or rosey up Islam. Islam ....... bitter pill of life????? Goodness I have, so far, found it comforting. But then again I am a pretty blunt and up front person (:) I can see Mujaahid now ... Cara blunt and up front NOOOOOOOOO I would of never guessed ;-D ) anyway sometimes things are bitter when a person cannot handle the truth or when something has it, so they have to leave their comfort zone. I'm rattling now. But in conclusion I don't wish andwant anyone to candy coat things yet I wonder when voicing an opinion one would think before you word things >>>> Does my words truly reflect and bring honor on Islam? |
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| se7en | |
| 02/02/02 at 14:39:59 | |
| [quote](ok I know to be respectful I am suppose to say something after refering to the Prophet, so if someone will educate me here with what and why???)[/quote] In Arabic calligraphy it looks like this: [saw] That says [i]salAllahu alayhee wa salam[/i] which means, 'may peace and blessings of God be upon him' or 'peace be upon him'. We say it out of reverence and honor for him. We also say this after the names of other prophets, and others that are revered in the Islamic tradition like the Angel Gabriel and Mary. I guess it's somewhat similar to saying 'may God have mercy on his soul'. :) salaam ps - You can listen to a cool Arabic song that includes this prayer [url=http://www.jannah.org/resources/talaal.ram]here[/url]. This is the song the children sang to Muhammad [saw] in welcome when he entered the city of Madina for the first time. It's sung by Yusuf Islam, aka Cat Stevens. Here are the lyrics: Tala'al-Badru 'alayna, min thaniyyatil-Wada' wajaba al-shukru 'alayna, ma da'a lillahi da' O the White Moon rose over us From the Valley of Wada' And we owe it to show gratefulness Where the call is to Allah Ayyuha al-mab'uthu fina ji'ta bi-al-amri al-muta' Ji'ta sharrafta al-Madinah marhaban ya khayra da' O you who were raised amongst us coming with a word to be obeyed You have brought to this city nobleness Welcome! best call to God's way Tala'al-Badru 'alayna, min thaniyyatil-Wada' wajaba al-shukru 'alayna, ma da'a lillahi da' |
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| saifullah24 | |
| 02/06/02 at 09:26:22 | |
salam alaikum, i agree with Caraj and that the media is not telling the truth most the time. Not just about the taliban but with many of other countries. salam, saifullah24 | |
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| reg | 02/06/02 at 12:43:14 |
| [slm] I feel that an ant knows more about a human being, than the american public knows about what the American government is up to. I think America has "bread and circuses", like the bloody gladiator games of the Romans. Of course in our times its movies, television, etc., These "bread and circuses" act like a narcotic for the masses to keep them away from politics. Just ask your average American what he/she knows about the rest of the world. CNN and especially the fox news network, which are a joke in and of themselves, remind me of "yellow journalism". [wlm] | |
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| Sparrow |
| 02/06/02 at 15:29:57 |
| "I feel that an ant knows more about a human being, than the american public knows about what the American government is up to." I agree but don't you think that that can be said of most if not all of the world governments? The US gov isn't the only one that's up to no good! Peace, Sparrow |
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| Mystic |
| 02/06/02 at 15:38:54 |
| [slm] [quote] I agree but don't you think that that can be said of most if not all of the world governments? The US gov isn't the only one that's up to no good! [/quote] True indeed...but being the most "powerful" they bear the biggest responsibility in the game of global politics. It is SICK the way they are squandoring Allah's blessings with such despicable vile and greed...So openly too! The media doesn't have to gloss up too much, for who do they have to fear??? people are too busy dancing to the tunes of consumerism and downright slothful apathy! [wlm] |
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| Sparrow |
| 02/06/02 at 16:11:13 |
| "True indeed...but being the most "powerful" they bear the biggest responsibility in the game of global politics." Good point, you're right! Peace, Sparrow |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 02/07/02 at 02:11:16 |
Whether we realize it or not... ...THIS MESSAGE BOARD is ALSO the Media. People, the world over google to this site everyday. The number of page views per day for this site is equivalent to the number of Television Viewers for a good sized station in an average US town. The Author of the Cluetrain Manifesto calls this reality: MicroMedia. WE're all part of it. Kewl eh? |
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| Sonny |
| 02/07/02 at 17:17:09 |
| Salaams :) I think you're so right to include this media site as a part of the media--a part we can all appreciate, no matter who we are. I'm glad, personally, that the view of the media's reliability is so cynical. I think that it is just that attitude that will eventually get the truth out, if we ever do arrive at it. But there are extraoridnary moments in the news as well. The other day I had the opportunity to see the speech by the King of Jordan, and was so impressed! Since he so completely believes the Arab nations can get their "act together", how can any one of us do less? It's heartening to see the courage of a man of faith. It was inspiring, and gave me new resolve to solve my personal issues. A friend of mine once told me, "if even one soul can lift itself out of the cauldron of suffering humanity, then, there is that much less suffering in the world, and the entire world is a better place." Or something like that. Honest speeches by statesmen make a difference. If just in encouraging us to make a change in our small corner of the world. I'm so glad I got to see that speech. But the media is doing so much more than news--some great entertainment has come out this year. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Shrek, and some others too, that I haven't seen yet--and some great kid's shows and new programing on PBS. It almost seems like an educational agenda to make us aware of our most ancient beginnings in paganism? As if to display a common root for differing faiths which may raise awareness of our common humanity? Although almost all now believe in one supreme mover and creater and All. But we can never seem to agree on whether God and Allah or Christ or Rama are one and the same--everyone differs on that topic, eh? Regardless, we seem to agree there is One most high, but gosh, now? Well--gotta run. :) Patti |
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| SaadZ |
| 02/07/02 at 21:11:45 |
| salaams, i feel that the US media is biased towards their own purposes and that our media is too. If you go into Canadian or European media,they are still biased but they show more of what is really going on. BBC is decent most of the time. What urks me about Fox News i think it is, is that they refer to John Walker as "Jihad Johnny". i feel offended by it because they say it every night and every time they talk about him and ALL of the reporters say it! i wanted to go to their site and complain but im not good at wording complaints. But there is one thing ive noticed from going to public high school here in the US, only the immigrants watch the news and keep up with the stories, NOONE around here knows whats going on except us. I do my best to keep everyone informed according to what is going on on both sides, so i give them articles from New York times and from other newspapers, and other sources that tell everyone what is really going on to keep them up to date. ALHAMDULILLAH I have most of my friends on my side of a lot of international battles such as Palestine and Israel. Saadia |
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| solehah |
| 02/08/02 at 11:00:14 |
| Salaam There is nothing wrong with the media. It is a very useful tool of communication and education. What is seriously wrong is the quality of ethics amongst the media PEOPLE. Isnt that always the case ? Before sophisticated weaponry is developed, the knife, which originated as a simple domestic tool, was used as a weapon for murder. And the list goes on. So instead of berating the media, we should be asking ourselves, what strategies should we adopt to combat irresponsible reporting. One very obvious answer is to train good honest Muslims as credible journalists who would have substantial clout and voice in major media networks. Another strategy is to continuously check against lies and untruths. Most importantly of course is for all Muslims to take responsibility in ensuring that the media work FOR us not against us. Wallahualam. Wassalam. |
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