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| proudtobemuslim |
| 02/07/02 at 05:50:59 |
| Assalamu Alaikum, This may sound like a stupid question but, what exactly is meant by the imitation of the Kuffar? Shaving the beard is considered copying them but the Kuffar also drive cars and use computers etc. Also what do you say to a person who says that he does not shave for imitating the Kuffar but rather just to look nice and that it is on his own accord. Wassalamu Alaikum, Uzer |
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| Suha |
| 02/07/02 at 07:45:11 |
| [slm] i think imitation of the Kuffar has to do with the intention of the person. if some1 shaves his beard for the same reason as Kuffars do (like shaving it to keep up the group or some other weak reason) it is imitating the Kuffars.but if he shaves it because he's allergic to hair on his chin??? or some other reason it isn't imitating the Kuffar........... hmmmmmmmmmmmm...... so it all has to do with the intention. if the intention has a valid purpose it isn't imitating the kuffar(doesn't matter if the kuffar does it for the same purpose) but if the intention has a weak argument and the kuffar uses the same argument it certainly is pppppppphhhhooooooeeee, what a difficult topic, hope this helped [wlm] suha |
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| Mystic |
| 02/07/02 at 08:10:21 |
| [slm] To add my two cents...if the intention is to please Allah in everything that we do, then the whole question of imitating the Kuffar becomes null and void. Maliha :-) [wlm] |
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| M.F. |
| 02/07/02 at 08:43:09 |
[quote]Also what do you say to a person who says that he does not shave for imitating the Kuffar but rather just to look nice and that it is on his own accord. Wassalamu Alaikum, Uzer[/quote] Assalamu alaikum, look nice by whose standards? Allah's, or by some magazine's and idea in someone's head of what "nice" is? that's what I'd say, but in a nice way :-) |
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| reg |
| 02/07/02 at 09:07:25 |
| [slm] well, I shave because it grows much more on the left side side than the right lol, my dad has the same problem and he shaved his whole life. But, anyway, I agree with sister maliha that it's our intention that counts and if it's to please Allah then we're not guilty of imitating the kuffar. [wlm] |
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| SaadZ |
| 02/07/02 at 11:26:03 |
| as salaam u alaikum wa rahmatullah About imitating the kuffar...are extraordinary piercings such as tongue or eyebrow considered imitation of the kuffar? and if they are, then is haraam or makruh? i understand the adornment factor and that its adding ornament to one's body like nose rings too. i dunno, ive just been wondering about this for a little while. was salaam u alaikum saadia |
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| se7en |
| 02/07/02 at 13:52:21 |
as salaamu alaykum, You can check out a good short article on this [url=http://www.islaam.com/Article.asp?id=88]here[/url]. will write more later inshaAllah :) wasalaam |
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| assing |
| 02/07/02 at 14:18:15 |
| As salaamu alaykum, in addition to what sis. 7 posted this article from the people of knowledge should add some clarification to the issue at hand inshallah: What are the definitions of imitating the west? Does everything that is modern and new and has come to us from the west imply imitation of them? In other words, when can we say that something is haraam because it is an imitation of the kuffaar?. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever imitates a people is one of them.’” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Libaas, 3512. Al-Albaani said in Saheeh Abi Dawood, (it is) hasan saheeh. No. 3401). Al-Munaawi and al-‘Alqami said: i.e., dressing as they dress, following their way of life in clothes and some of the things they do. Al-Qaari said: i.e., whoever imitates the kuffaar, such as in how one dresses, etc., or imitates the evil and immoral people, or the Sufis or the righteous, is one of the people whom he imitates, whether they are good or bad. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem: Imaam Ahmad and others quoted this hadeeth as evidence. This hadeeth at the very least implies that it is haraam to imitate them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “... And if any amongst you takes them [Jews and Christians] as Awliyaa’ [friends, helpers]), then surely, he is one of them…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51] This is similar to the view of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr who said: “Whoever settles in the land of the mushrikeen and celebrates their Nawroz (new year) and Mahrajaan (festival) and imitates them until he dies will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection.” This may be interpreted as referring to absolute imitation which implies kufr and as meaning that imitation in part is therefore haraam; or it may be interpreted as meaning that he is one of them to the extent that he imitates them, whether it is in ideas of kufr, sin or partaking in a ritual. It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade imitating the non-Arabs and said, “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” This was also mentioned by al-Qaadi Abu Ya’laa. This was quoted by more than one of the scholars to show that it is makrooh to imitate forms of dress of the non-Muslims which are not known among the Muslims. See ‘Awn al-Ma’bood Sharh Sunan Abi Dawood. Imitating the kuffaar falls into two categories: Imitation that is haraam and imitation that is permitted: The first type is imitation that is haraam: this means knowingly doing things that are unique characteristics of the religion of the kuffaar and that have not been referred to in our religion. This is haraam and it may be a major sin; in some cases a person may even become a kaafir by doing that, according to the evidence, whether a person does that because he agrees with the kuffaar, or because of his whims and desires, or because of some specious arguments which make him feel that doing it will being him benefit in this world and the next. If it is asked, is the one who does that out of ignorance a sinner, such as one who celebrates Christmas? The answer is that the one who is ignorant is not a sinner because he was unaware, but he has to be told, and if he persists he becomes a sinner. The second type is imitation that is permissible. This means doing something which is not originally taken from the kuffaar, but the kuffaar do it too. This does not involve a prohibition on resembling them, but one may miss out on the benefits of differing from them. Imitating or resembling the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and others with regard to worldly matters is permissible only when the following conditions are met: 1 – That should not be any of their traditions or rituals by which they are distinguished. 2 – That should not be part of their religion. A matter can be proven to be part of their religion though a trustworthy source, such as an aayah of the Qur’aan or a hadeeth of His Messenger, or via well-established reports, such as the prostration of greeting which was permitted to the previous nations. 3 – That should not be anything in Islam which refers specifically to that matter. If there is a specific reference in Islam, either approving or disapproving of it, then we must follow what our religion says about it. 4 – This resemblance should not lead to going against any of the commands of sharee’ah. 5 – That should not involve celebrating any of their festivals. 6 – The resemblance should be only according to what is needed, and no more. (end of the article from shaikh Saalih Al Munnajid, wwww.islam-qa.com) However, i would like add that intention has no part when it comes to the issue of imitating the kuffar. For everyone will claim that they are trying to please Allah and they don't intend by their acts to imitate the kuffar, but this is a faulty reasoning. Because as 7 mentioned sometime recently that for any act to be accpeted it must fulfill 2 conditions: 1.Sincerity 2. Conformance with the sunnah. If not that act will be rejected as the messenger (saw) said in the hadeeth. Hence, in this other amazing hadeeth: Reported on the authority of Thabit Ibn Adh-Dhahhak (saas ) that he said: "A man vowed to sacrifice a camel at a place called Buwanah, and he asked the Prophet (saas ) about it. He (saas ) said to him: "Does the place contain any of the idols from the time of the Jahiliyyah?" They said: "No." He (saas) then asked: "Did the disbelievers hold any of their (religious) festivals there?" They replied: "No." So the Messenger of Allah (saas ) said: "Then fulfill your vow, for verily, vows, which entail disobedience to Allah (swt ) or that which is beyond the capacity of the son of Adam should not be fulfilled." (Narrated by Abu Dawood, with a Sanad that meets the conditions of acceptance laid down by Bukhari and Muslim) Thabit Ibn Adh-Dhahak (ra ) informs us that a man made a vow to slaughter a female camel in a place called Buwanah (see, he had a good intention), but the Prophet (saas) enquired as to whether it had been used as a place of worship for the idols of the Jahiliyyah or whether any of their pagan festivals had been celebrated there (i.e. to ensure that his acts in no way resembles those of the mushrikeen, and as i said even though his intention were good) When it was made clear to him that this was not the case, he ordered the man to fulfill his vow. Thus, it is clear in this hadeeth how the messeger (saw) went to extremes to ensure that the people of his ummah would avoid imitating the kuffar in what is particular to them. And Allah knows best. |
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| MalikShabazz |
| 02/08/02 at 04:01:00 |
| [quote]However, i would like add that intention has no part when it comes to the issue of imitating the kuffar.[/quote] i respectfully disagree, intention has a part in everything ALL actions are based on some sort of an intention or another... was salam |
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| se7en |
| 02/10/02 at 22:48:55 |
| as salaamu alaykum, You're right bro, intentions do have a part in actions. A *part* though :) Having a sincere, right, good intention doesn't justify or make right committing a bad deed. Actions also have to be in accordance to the teachings of Islam. Two halves of a whole, know what I'm sayin? :) wasalaam :) |
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