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| WhatDFish |
| 01/02/03 at 08:18:23 |
| Palestinian Man Returns Lost Israeli Child To His Family Thursday, January 02 2003 @ 03:26 AM GMT "'When I offered him food again, he said he only wanted to drink, said Abu Hedayet. He then took the child to the nearby Israeli forces .." By Mohammad Ahmad HEBRON - "Islamic ethics are the reason", this is the response a Palestinian man gave to the Israeli occupation forces when they asked him why he returned a lost Israeli child to his family. The story was published in the weekly Israeli magazine 'Kul Huzman' on Sunday, December 29. A few days ago, Ismael Abu Hedayet saw a lost child, Nahom, 6, in his neighborhood and when he started talking to the child in Arabic the child did not understand him. The child even refused to eat or drink initially. However, Abu Hedayet said after he tried to speak to the child and ask him about his name, the child eased up and he was comforted by the man who said that he will take him to his family. "When I offered him food again, he said he only wanted to drink, said Abu Hedayet. He then took the child to the nearby Israeli forces who were guarding the settlement in which the child lives. Abu Hedayet said that initially the soldiers were scared, but two days after the incident, he was surprised to see reporters of the magazine asking him for an interview and relaying to him the regards of the child's family. He added that he told them that any Muslim resident would have acted in the same way because these are the ethics of Islam and said that this has nothing to do with what the Israeli forces are doing to the Palestinian children on a daily basis. Abu Hedayet asked the Israel reporter: "What would your Prime minister do if he found a Palestinian child?" To that, the reporter simply smiled and thanked the Palestinian for his ethics. -[IslamOnline (islamonline.net).] Published at the Palestine Chronicle. |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 01/02/03 at 14:54:53 |
InshAllah, May raise this child to be the Prime Minister of the Nuclear Power State of Israel, And InshAllah, may Allah, Glorified and Praised be He, allow this child when grown up and as a Strong Prime Minister, REMEMBER The kindness of a Muslim man who returned him to his family when he was lost, and that he be able to RETURN THAT KINDNESS to all the peoples of his country and neighbouring countries, And in so doing, may he always cite the Ethics of Islam that he learned as a lost child, as the root of his kindness. Amen. |
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| Mohja |
| 01/02/03 at 16:22:41 |
| Mash'Allah! what a heart-warming story. Jazakum Allahu kheyran for posting it br. Uthman. Ameen to Himy's prayer! I'd also like to add May Allah[swt] amply reward that man for examplifying the teachings of Islam and may we all follow in his footsteps. A seed has been sown and with Allah's Mercy it will blossom into a beautiful flower. I wonder how many and what type of seeds do we plant in our daily life? |
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| WhatDFish |
| 01/02/03 at 16:39:00 |
| alhamdulillah this story touched my heart too and it shows the true teachings of Islaam and one who lives by it. unfortunately one man who was shown similar kindness by a muslim woman who fed him and clothed him and yet he repayed the kindness by being one of the key players in the brutal massacre of Muslims - Radovan Karadzic the question of the day would be - [quote]"What would your Prime minister do if he found a Palestinian child?"[/quote] |
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| M.F. |
| 01/03/03 at 07:37:44 |
| [quote author=HiMY link=board=ummah;num=1041513503;start=0#1 date=01/02/03 at 14:54:53] May raise this child to be the Prime Minister of the Nuclear Power State of Israel, [/quote] That's certainly a wierd du'aa. Why would you ask Allah to keep Israel in existence till the child grows up? Insha Allah by the time the child grows up may the "Nuclear Power State of Israel" have long ceased to exist! Along with their nuclear power. |
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| Yasin |
| 01/03/03 at 07:57:00 |
Assalamu alaikum I agree with you sister M.F ...i was wondering why bro Himy make du'aa like that , while we whiling to eliminate this state as soon as possible. bro Himy dont feel offended |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 01/03/03 at 10:35:10 |
| since Israel is going nowhere and you will not be able to eliminate it, in reality the thinking should be that you pray for it being a good neighbor. |
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| jannah |
| 01/03/03 at 12:29:56 |
| [quote]"Nuclear Power State of Israel" have long ceased to exist! [/quote] yeah that's really not likely in the next 20 years?? what's interesting is that throughout history whenever muslims were conquered, over time the conquerers became muslim. ie when the fearsome mongols invaded the Muslim world and destroyed everything and wreaked devestation (the famous destroying of all the books in baghdad into the river so it was black with all the ink) and yet over one generation they had accepted islam that's what we should pray for... we just need to keep our calm and reason and keep making dawah and be a good example we already see many israelis refusing to take posts in the army and many jewish people against the oppression and apartheid in israel. and the anti israel movement in the US. |
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| jannah |
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| Dude |
| 01/03/03 at 17:07:20 |
| A heart warming story indeed. This quote troubles me: "Ameen to Himy's prayer! I'd also like to add May Allah[SubHana Wa Ta`ala] amply reward that man for examplifying the teachings of Islam and may we all follow in his footsteps." Nobody should feel they have to either reward or be rewarded for doing the right thing. If the first thought that goes through your head is, “Will God reward me if I help this child?” then you have some very serious morality problems. What would you say had a white Christian female in South Africa returned a lost child to a Black neighborhood? Or vise versa? My guess is that, because Muslim people weren’t involved, you wouldn’t take the time of day to recognize a humane act of kindness. People need to learn how to think for themselves, and need to learn to scrutinize all ethnic / religious groups equally. There is nothing morally correct with the treatment Palestinians have received at the hands of Israelis. There is also no moral, ethical, or religious justification in strapping oneself to a bomb and walking into an Israeli café, and detonating the bomb in the name of God. Killing anyone, anytime, in the name of religion is wrong. |
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| Mohja |
| 01/03/03 at 19:35:58 |
| Interesting… As a Muslim I regard all acts of kindness as a gift from God since He created us and as such we OWE our very benevolence to Him! And therefore Yes! I will ask Him to reward me and others who do an act of kindness, or any other act of goodness for that matter, for I seek more of that goodness from its Source! Now whether you agree with me or not is really inconsequential for me. To each their own way! [quote] People need to learn how to think for themselves [/quote] I thought that came with being born with a brain. Nobody told you? |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 01/04/03 at 01:27:00 |
WalayKumSalam to those who wished me salam. What was in my heart when I read that first message in this thread, something happened, I felt the emotion of crying, but didn't cry. I dunno what it was. I just typed and posted and that was that. The 'nuclear' reference, well, it is an educated fact that yep, the Secular and/or Jewish State of Israel does indeed have nuclear capability. When I think of That State, I often remind myself it is a nuclear power. Thinking of the future of that country with this six year old all growd upped, ...Well, I stand by what I typed. Cuz I just typed it from my heart. Also, I know and remind myself something else, that most Torah scholars wish to ignore: After the State of Israel was declared, Ben Gurion almost immediately met an old Palestinian Jewish woman. She was crying and lamenting to him personally, that now a Jewish state has been created, According the the Book of Isiah, [i]It will only last 76 years[/i]. As many of the leadership in Israel are secular, they don't buy into this prophecy. WEll, lesseee, 1948, the State of Israel was declared/founded/created. ...plus seventy six years, and by that time, little six year old Nohan will be.... You do the math. I'm part of the audience. [quote]People need to learn how to think for themselves, and need to learn to scrutinize all ethnic / religious groups equally. There is nothing morally correct with the treatment Palestinians have received at the hands of Israelis. There is also no moral, ethical, or religious justification in strapping oneself to a bomb and walking into an Israeli café, and detonating the bomb in the name of God. Killing anyone, anytime, in the name of religion is wrong. [/quote] As much as Residents of the State of Israel abhor Suicide/Homicide bombings, Residents around the settlements abhor -- in MY WORDS -- they abhor 'Suicide Settlements'. A suicide/homicide bomb detonates, destroys lives and property. A Suicide/Settlement .... IF anyone doesn't like what I just typed, send me a Private Message. LOok, I'll write something more proper up with references and start a different thread, Troll and flame me there once I post it. ~ HiMY! ~ |
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| WhatDFish |
| 01/04/03 at 11:57:51 |
| [quote]There is also no moral, ethical, or religious justification in strapping . . [/quote] there is no moral, ethical or religious justification to usurping a piece of land and subjugating its people with the intention of driving them out or terminating them either. |
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| jannah |
| 01/04/03 at 13:06:16 |
| Dude the difference between muslims and other people is that our life is God centered and based upon the Hereafter. So everything we do here, all our deeds will be weighed on the day of judgement. When a Muslim does a good deed it is wiph reward in mind and doing it for God as well as just generally trying to be a good person which is the character of a Muslim. In Islam, we're encouraged to do good deeds. "Good" is defined for us through the word of God (Quran) and the traditions of the messenger (Muhammad), the example of his companions and righteous people and scholars. As for others.. they might have various reasons for doing things, they might be doing it out of the innate goodness God has given us all, or they might be subjective and decide it's not a good deed and not do it. That's the difference. Everyone else can make up what they think is good and right and evil and wrong, but in Islam it comes down to the revealed text and the traditions and scholarly analysis therefor. So when you say "Nobody should feel they have to either reward or be rewarded for doing the right thing." what exactly is the right thing? Is it what you have defined? What the guy around the corner has defined? Shouldn't it be what our Creator God has defined? Human definitions of morality are inherently subjective. We can see that 'morality' in fact changes over culture and even within the same culture over time. [quote]My guess is that, because Muslim people weren’t involved, you wouldn’t take the time of day to recognize a humane act of kindness.[/quote] That's quite an assumption! Why wouldn't we? God rewards us for acts of kindness remember :) Agreed we should all think for ourselves, but once you're convinced that the Quran is from God, shouldn't you follow it. PS Just a reminder to all that the topic of suicide bombings etc.. is a banned topic on this message board. |
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| Dude |
| 01/04/03 at 20:30:45 |
| I didn’t know that suicide bombing as a topic was banned. My apologies. I can see why- heated subject material. Having said that, if your motivation in performing a good deed is that it will praise God, there is something wrong with you. Your motivation should be to help those less fortunate- to perhaps give them a hand after they have fallen- because that is how you would hope others would treat you or your loved ones. I’m inclined to believe that the person who helped the child that day did it because he saw somebody who needed to get back with his family in order to stand any chance of survival. I would hope he would have said, “How would I like others to treat my son if he got lost in a hostile environment?” Think sheep, think |
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| panjul |
| 01/05/03 at 00:17:06 |
| Hi Dude, Think sheep, think Who are you calling "sheep?" ??? ??? ??? |
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| Tesseract |
| 01/05/03 at 02:48:52 |
| [quote]if your motivation in performing a good deed is that it will praise God, there is something wrong with you.[/quote] I don't get ur statement! elaborate please. What is wrong with doing something good which is an act of morality "and" that u'll be rewarded for that good deed. Now, if somebody does that just because its an act of morality and that u'll not be rewarded for that, is ur belief, but Muslims' belief extends more to the fact that such an act is not only an act of morality, but that we'll be rewarded for such acts as well. The One Who created us knows us better than we know ourselves, and it is He Who has put this incentive of being rewarded for good deeds or being punished bor committing forbidden acts, so that we may lead our lives accordingly fulfilling our Creator's orders which are only 'good' and nothing else. If u don't understand this core concept, lemme explain u with our daily life experiences. Children don't have the sense of right and wrong. In order to teach them what is right, they are not only taught what is right but they are very often rewarded for doing something that is right so that they make it a habit and continue it for the rest of their lives which is for 'their' own betterment, and similarly in order to teach them what is wrong, they are often punished so that they create an understanding that that wrong is something not to be performed and again that is for the betterment of 'their' life. So, what wrong do u see in being rewarded for a good act, or doing something just because u'll be rewarded for it knowing the fact that u are being rewarded 'because' its an act of morality. [quote]I would hope he would have said, “How would I like others to treat my son if he got lost in a hostile environment?” [/quote] This is something that troubles me becaise it is contradicting ur own proposed reason of performing good. U do good only because u want to be treated equally? And if u are not being treated equally( which is very likely to happen at any place, anytime because not all people think the same way) then u wouldn't do good, right? Alhamdulillah, Islam is way above such weaknesses, and it orders us to perform good irrespective of consequences and life of Prophet Muhammad (saw) is full of such examples that even though he was being maltreated, he always returned such acts with something good. However, it is a positive in our religion that Allah will reward us in return of all such good acts. Wallahu A'lam. |
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| amatullah |
| 01/05/03 at 12:38:20 |
| ltcorpest2 [quote] since Israel is going nowhere and you will not be able to eliminate it, in reality the thinking should be that you pray for it being a good neighbor. [/quote] I think analyst are looking at this very differently from you. In fact Noam chompsky recently predicted the fall of Israel soon. He gives many very good reasons for this view and it looks logical. Also, even in their own (Israeli) last report ( i think it was dec. 30 i fyou want to look at that) they said they are facing major threats and problems from within their own system and outside. the report says it will fall politically and socially within two decades if they don't change some things. It uses language that never used before describing the paralysis they feel as a society as of late. They talk about everything from the intifada and how they had to increase military spending which compromised other thigns, and the low birth rate of Israelis and people leaving more now, and there is 70% less international investement, etc. Read it, it has info that "heal the hearts of a believing people". And besides it is Allah's wisdom that when he destroys the oppressors it is never at their weak state, they usually the strongest in the land and He takes them the way the Mighty and Able can. Dude:[quote]This quote troubles me: "Ameen to Himy's prayer! I'd also like to add May Allah[SubHana Wa Ta`ala] amply reward that man for examplifying the teachings of Islam and may we all follow in his footsteps. Nobody should feel they have to either reward or be rewarded for doing the right thing. If the first thought that goes through your head is, “Will God reward me if I help this child?” then you have some very serious morality problems. [/quote] You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. She didn't say she has to reward or be rewarded. SHe made a prayer for the man to be rewarded. A true Muslim their thoughts should always be around Allah and what pleases Him. In fact only when you are thinking that that you do not ever hestitate to do a good thing and that you do in fact compete to do good. You seem to think it stops you, but that is not true at all. I don't think you should decide what is right and wrong for a life and death war situation you never lived in. What makes you think that you know what is right and wrong? wouldn't that be subjective for each of us? what suits you may not suit me. There is something from God that helps us all co-exist and to win the hereafter as well. Before you jump up and down saying think for yourselves to all of us, why not educate yourself about this religion first and then you think for yourself what is right except to become a submitter to Allah, a Muslim. I don't take what you say about morality seriously if you have studied and rejected it. "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they did (in this life), and We shall make such deeds as floating dust scattered about. " |
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| amatullah |
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| sofia |
| 01/05/03 at 17:13:28 |
| As-salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah, Seems like a sensitive thread. Not sure why anyone is being targeted here, as the main point of this thread, I thought, was that an adult returned a child to his home. The interesting thing about it was that it was an adult whose "people" are being oppressed by the child's "people." That being said, the question seems to be, isn't this act the duty of all Muslims, oppressed or not oppressed? Pretty much, yes. So what's all the controversy about? That some expect Israel to exist throughout the child's lifetime, and others don't? Allahu'Alim, but both bro Himy's and sis. Jannah's du'aat seemed apt. The whole issue of the entity of Israel (or any other nation, for that matter) is a non-issue. It's not the point. Masjid al-Aqsa will be protected by God, with or without Muslims there to defend it. We are even more obligated to safeguard human life than a building (not to dimish its importance in any way). The main issue of concern for most Muslims (and that we don't properly differentiate from the Masjid al-Aqsa situation) is actually something else sometimes - the Islaamic viewpoint on the dignity of mankind, oppression and the usurpation of land. It goes without saying (or actually, should be said), Islaam does not condone the oppression or taking of land of anyone, be they Muslim or not (if only we'd stand up not only for oppressed Muslims, but oppressed non-Muslims as well. Not sure how well we do at either). Just trying to simplify/untie a really tight knot of chaos. Doesn't always work to bring in logic when it comes to this subject (ie, Israel/Palestine), unfortunately. Reading an interesting book, "The Dignity of Man: an Islamic Perspective, " by M. H. Kamali. Some excerpts reminded me of this thread: "The [Islaamic] state is under duty to protect the five essential interests (ie, ad-darooriyaat al-khamsah), namely, faith, life, property, intellect and lineage, through the establishment of a just political order and government." (Kamali, page xv). "It is a collective duty (fard kifaayah) of the community to ensure the safety of an abandoned infant (al-laqeet) found in the street, and this responsibility becomes the personal duty (fard 'ayn) of the person who may alone be in a position to save the infant's life...The second caliph, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, used to allocate a monthly sum of 100 dirhams and food supplements for the laqeet, which was reviewed annually and increased in accordance with age. He paid this out of the funds of the public treasury and used to remind the people to be good and generous to such children." (Kamali, page 22). "Good deeds and evil ones can never be equal. Repel evil with what is better, then you will find that the one with whom you might have had enmity with will become as though he were an intimate friend." (translation of the Qur'aan, Surah Fussilaat 41:34). "Dignity is the natural right (haqq tabee'ee) of every human being. Islam has upheld it as such and made it a principle of government and a criterion of interaction (al-mu'aamilah) among people." Az-Zuhayli, "Al-Fiqh ul-Islaami wa Adillutah." "O mankind [ie, everyone, Muslim or not]! Keep your duty to your Lord, who created you from a single soul and created its mate of the same [kind] and created from them countless men and women. And keep your duty to your Lord, by Whom you demand your rights from one another, and observe the ties of kinship." (translation of the Qur'aan, an-Nisaa' 4:1). "…pleasant speech is a form of charity." Prophet Muhammad (Nawawi, Riyaadh-us-Saliheen) "The believer is not abusive, nor is he a slanderer, nor does he curse." - Prophet Muhammad (at-Tabrizi, Miskhat). "I have not been sent to curse people. I have been sent only as a mercy." - Prophet Muhammad (Sahih Muslim). |
| NS |
| 01/05/03 at 18:25:05 |
| sofia |
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