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26 beautiful one-liners
safiyah
01/20/03 at 15:27:42
1. Give Allah what's right -- not what's left.


2. Man's way leads to a hopeless end -- Allah's way leads to an endless hope.

3. A lot of kneeling will keep you in good standing.

4. He who kneels before Allah can stand before anyone.


5. In the sentence of life, the devil may be a comma --but never let him be the full stop.


6. Don't put a question mark where Allah puts a full stop.

7. Are you wrinkled with burden? Come to the mosque for a face-lift.

8. When praying, don't give Allah instructions -- just report for duty.

9. Don't wait for six strong men to take you to the mosque.

10. We don't change Allah's message -- His message changes us.

11. The mosque is prayer-conditioned.

12. When Allah ordains, He sustains.


13. WARNING: Exposure to the Allah may prevent burning.

14. Plan ahead -- It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

15. Most people want to serve Allah, but only in an advisory position.

16. Suffering from truth decay? Brush up on your Koran.

17. Exercise daily -- walk with Allah.

18. Never give the devil a ride -- he will always want to drive.

19. Nothing else ruins the truth like stretching it.

20. Compassion is difficult to give away because it keeps coming back.


21. He who angers you controls you.


22. Worry is the darkroom in which negatives can develop.

23. Give Satan an inch & he'll be a ruler.


24. Be ye fishers of men -- you catch them & He'll clean them.

25. Allah doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

26. Read the Koran -- It will scare the hell out of you.
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
Abu_Hamza
01/23/03 at 00:56:57
[slm]

This is another one of those Christian works turned into an "Islamic work".  The words "Jesus", "Bible" and "Church" have been changed to "Allah", "Koran" and "Mosque."  I understand that this is only a forward, and safiyah did not write this herself :)

I would warn the brothers and sisters from pay too much attention to such things.  Often times, these transformed articles contain remnants of Christian philosophy that does not exactly match the teachings of Islam.  There are certain things that are problematic in their face value.  Others are more subtle, and would take longer to even explain.  I'll mention the more obvious ones below:

[quote]3. A lot of kneeling will keep you in good standing. [/quote]

We do not kneel before Allah.  We bow, we prostrate, and we sit.  But we don't kneel in our prayers.  This is what the Christians do.

[quote]6. Don't put a question mark where Allah puts a full stop. [/quote]

and ...

[quote]17. Exercise daily -- walk with Allah. [/quote]

Such personification attributed to Allah (swt) is extremely dangerous.  It's against our aqeedah to attribute anything anthropomorphic to Allah (swt).
Indeed He (awj) is exalted above the acts of "putting a full stop" and "walking".

[quote] 26. Read the Koran -- It will scare the hell out of you.[/quote]

This is a wrong statement.  Or at least that is not the only thing that the Qur'an does to the one who reads it.  Our Faith is based more than just on fear.  

Wallahu ta'ala a'lam.

Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah
01/23/03 at 00:57:38
Abu_Hamza
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
ltcorpest2
01/23/03 at 12:47:16
gosh Hamza,  Isn't that a little critical. Obviously saying aren't taken as a deep philosophical discussion and do not give in totality the whole of religion.  
 But it is kinda funny as I was reading it I was thinking to myself that this was kinda  plagarized.  
 As far as walking with God,  Do Muslims pray all the time? or when they are "talking" with God does it have to be in a prostrate position?  When I go for a run in the early morning or ride my mtn bike at night , I have found that this is a great time to pray and have a quiet time with God.  I would not be thinking that I am walking with God in an anthromoporphic sence , but I would think that my walk is Focused on God, so in human terms it would be safe to say that I am walking with God.
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
Abu_Hamza
01/23/03 at 15:26:14
[quote]gosh Hamza,  Isn't that a little critical.[/quote]

Oh yeah.  Big time :)  But so what?

[quote]Obviously saying aren't taken as a deep philosophical discussion and do not give in totality the whole of religion.[/quote]

The criticism is not that the totality of the whole religion is not presented in the sayings.  The criticism is that C is being used to create objects, instead of Java or C++!  (sorry if you don't know programming).

It's all about semantics.  Christian semantics, diction, vocabulary, way of expressing things are being used here, intentionally camouflaged in Islamic terminology (Koran, Allah, Mosque).  To a Muslim, it all sounds (or should sound) really odd.  The semantics are just completely unfamiliar to the way we perceive our relationship with Allah.

[quote]As far as walking with God,  Do Muslims pray all the time? or when they are "talking" with God does it have to be in a prostrate position?  When I go for a run in the early morning or ride my mtn bike at night , I have found that this is a great time to pray and have a quiet time with God. [/quote]

Actually it's weird that you ask that.  But then again, I guess it's not so weird since you're actually no longer Christian.  Because according to the original text of the above post, it asks you to *kneel* before God.  So do Christians pray all the time?  or when they are "talking" with God does it have to be in a kneeling position?  

Muslims have different forms of prayer.  One form is the 5 daily salaah's.  However, there are other forms of prayer also such as supplication, which is done at any time and in any physical position.  It's a "talk" with God.  The "talk" during prostration is the most humble, however, and that is the position in which a Muslim is *nearest* to God (with his heart).  Kneeling before God has no meaning in Islamic worship.  

[quote]in human terms it would be safe to say that I am walking with God. [/quote]

You can say all you want to Mike, but that is just not how Muslims talk :)  Muslims don't talk about God in "human terms."  We talk about God in God's own terms.  We talk about Him - we describe Him and attribute to Him - according to how He himself has described His being.  

I understand how "walking with God" is meant to say "walking with your heart focused in God" and that is not a concept alien to Islam.  In fact, that is the heart of uboodiyyah (a term I cannot translate, sorry).  However, the semantics again - "walking with God" - are not only odd to the Muslim ear but dangerously anthropomorphic because that is not an attribute by which God has described Himself to us.

And Allah knows best.
01/23/03 at 15:27:21
Abu_Hamza
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
ltcorpest2
01/23/03 at 19:28:23

Actually it's weird that you ask that.  But then again, I guess it's not so weird since you're actually no longer Christian.  Because according to the original text of the above post, it asks you to *kneel* before God.  So do Christians pray all the time?  or when they are "talking" with God does it have to be in a kneeling position?  

That is kinda offnsive the way you stated that,  that would be like saying the person who posted this article is no longer a muslim because it is not islamic.  But i promised myself I would no longer take offence to anything anybody said on this board (but thought that i should point it out anyway)  You can look up many examples of people praying in the Bible without doing it prostrate or even on their knees.  Genesis 24: 45  Abraham prayed in his heart.  and I could give other examples if you wish.  As far as talking about GOd on God's terms but I am sorry but that is impossible in human terms.



You can say all you want to Mike, but that is just not how Muslims talk   Muslims don't talk about God in "human terms."  We talk about God in God's own terms.  We talk about Him - we describe Him and attribute to Him - according to how He himself has described His being.  

Well,  I think the person who posted this was muslim.  I am sure she thought it had some wisdom and usefullness, maybe you would be saying that correct muslims do not talk like this?
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
Abu_Hamza
01/23/03 at 20:46:35
[quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=bebzi;num=1043094466;start=0#4 date=01/23/03 at 19:28:23]That is kinda offnsive the way you stated that,[/quote]  
I'm sorry.  What did I say that was offensive ???

Is it not true that you used to be Christian but you are not any more?  I remember reading that in one of your posts.  Or have I confused you with Chris?  If I am mistaken then let me know and I apologize to you in advance if that is the case.  I can see how my comment could have come across as offensive if you are still Christian.  That was not my intent at all.

[quote]that would be like saying the person who posted this article is no longer a muslim because it is not islamic.[/quote]

I don't know how you connected the two things, that is not at all what I meant.

[quote]But i promised myself I would no longer take offence to anything anybody said on this board (but thought that i should point it out anyway)  [/quote]

Actually just as a side comment, you already broke your promise, because you *did* take offense to it.  If you hadn't taken offense, you wouldn't have mentioned anything about it, but anyway ...

[quote]You can look up many examples of people praying in the Bible without doing it prostrate or even on their knees.  Genesis 24: 45  Abraham prayed in his heart.  [/quote]

And similar is the answer to your original question Mike: "Do Muslims pray all the time? or when they are "talking" with God does it have to be in a prostrate position?"

[quote]As far as talking about GOd on God's terms but I am sorry but that is impossible in human terms.[/quote]

Hmm.  What I'm saying is when we talk about God, we should only attribute to Him whatever He has attributed to Himself.  We should use only the words He has used to describe Himself.  If He had not said that He sees, we would not say God sees!  If He had not said "God's hand" we would not say "God's hand."  We should only talk about him using the qualities, the language, the style which is fitting to His Divine Being.  And none knows that except He Himself.  And thus we use what He has told us (which is enough by the way) as a crutch when talking about Him.

And of course you may still think it's impossible to do that, being non-Muslim.  But who said we agree on everything to begin with?  And that is the *crux* of my entire argument about why Christian writings should *not* be simply transformed into Muslim-looking ones because there aint such a thing.  There *are* theological differences that cannot be resolved simply by replacing "church" with "mosque" and "Jesus" with "Allah."  

[quote]Well,  I think the person who posted this was muslim.  I am sure she thought it had some wisdom and usefullness, maybe you would be saying that correct muslims do not talk like this?[/quote]

I'm saying correct Muslims should not talk like this, yes.

And Allah knows best.
01/23/03 at 20:51:50
Abu_Hamza
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
ltcorpest2
01/23/03 at 21:50:47
yep,  you confused me with Chris or at least someone who claimed they are not Christian.
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
safiyah
01/26/03 at 16:16:46
[slm]
sorry for causing all of this cumostion guys :(
but jizakallah khair for correcting me  :-*
It was simply a forwarded message which i THOUGHT was good
jizakallah khair once again
[wlm]
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
Anonymous
01/26/03 at 16:38:51
= Salaam

I don't mean to cause more upset here, but I tend to agree with Hamza. I think that such
one liners can distract from the real core message of teh Quran, which is to read and
obey. I believe that more time should be spent on reading and understanding teh Quran than
on attempts to motivate muslims with such 'one liners'. Although I do think that they are
quite harmless, but may have strong underlying concepts that are strictly speaking
incorrect and misleading with respect to the magnificent deen of Islaam.

no offense meant to anybody, just being myself....'may Allah help us all to stay on teh
straihgt path, the path of those whom Allah has favored and not on the path of those who
have gone astray'

to do this we have to be very strict when it comes to giving Dawah and implementing the
deen in our lives
the extent of narrow minds
hijabi_Supastar
02/03/03 at 13:25:44
As salamu Alaikum

ok. here's the deal.  Hamza needs to chill.  Period.  REALIZE that everyone has a different way of connecting and worshipping Allah (swt).  Just because some people don't pray the way you do or think about Allah subhanawa taalah the way you do doesn't mean they're "unislamic".  Many people, me included, feel that there's more times than just during salaat that a worshiper can be one on one with Allah (swt) - as much as you hate it.  To think that Allah (swt) is "too good" for that is unbelieveably narrowminded.
  Honestly, I believe that the way you reacted and the manner in which you approached this issue - which is questionable, no doubt - is rude and uncalled for.  You don't need to get all worked up adn point out that certain people were once Christian and may still have their crazy shirk "ideas" in  their heads.  And remember, phey are still "ahli Kitaab" and we need to respect that whether we accept it or not.  Take it as a joke, let us know when there's a question - but don't reprimand people in such a way that they're completely turned away.  
   
    Walaikum as salam
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
Tesseract
02/03/03 at 14:22:50
Assalamu 'alaikum,

         [quote]sorry for causing all of this cumostion guys  
but jizakallah khair for correcting me  
It was simply a forwarded message which i THOUGHT was good  
jizakallah khair once again[/quote]

              Although u might have gotten it as a forwarded message like many others and would have THOUGHT of it as good (naturally), and then shared it with others, I feel it very relevant to inform everybody here that these one-liners were printed in one of the last half of the year 2002's issues of American Muslim magazine.

Wassalam.
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
se7en
02/03/03 at 14:34:52
as salaamu alaykum,

[quote]Many people, me included, feel that there's more times than just during salaat that a worshiper can be one on one with Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) - as much as you hate it.[/quote]

Hmm.. sis, with due respect, I don't think bro abu hamza said this anywhere in his post.  His point was that we should be careful what language we use when attempting to 'translate' a christian text or document into an Islamic one, because obviously, our understanding of Allah is very different than a Christian's understanding of Jesus, upon him be peace.

No one is denying the good in the message, but I think the point was simply that we should be careful with these types of forwards, because there are remnants of the Christian idea of God [ie human like] that are not in concordance with Islam.

Considering the sheer number of Muslims on the net, it's kind of sad that we have to rely on changing Christian forwards instead of coming up with things on our own :(

Have a  [] on me

wasalaamu alaykum :-)
02/03/03 at 15:39:02
se7en
Re: 26 beautiful one-liners
jannah
02/03/03 at 14:38:57
[slm]

I think the main point being brought up is that Muslims are just copy pasting ideas from other people that do not have an "Islamic" point of view.  ie the personification of God and the other things brought up.  Not just this email but TONS of forwards we get from people where they just switch the names or change God to Allah or Bible to Quran.

Sure people can worship God however they want. They can be christian, they can be bhuddist, they can worship pencils if they want. But the point is if we are Muslims or claim to be Muslims, or send an email that claims to be Islamic, then it should be through and through.  Not something that has vaguely shirky or weird things going on in it.

Now, true there is wisdom to be found in everything, but I think that maybe we should move away from adapting other people's stuff and create our own, from our own history and traditions.

This always reminds me of someone making dua. They can make up any old prayer to say to God, but the best one's are the one's said by the prophet [saw] because you'll notice that when you say those, somehow they reinforce Islamic beliefs and values as well ask God for things we might overlook or not think of ordinarily.


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