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| Hindu friend |
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| wafa |
| 01/27/03 at 23:46:29 |
| [slm] Want a naseehah from all of you here. I have a hindu friend.Can I share her eating/drinking.Can I pray where she use to sit or it becomes nejah??? please help cause someone told me that its not allowed to make hindus friend? ::) |
| 01/30/03 at 01:24:59 |
| wafa |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| wafa |
| 01/28/03 at 06:33:31 |
| No replies so far!!!! waiting plz. |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| theOriginal |
| 01/29/03 at 15:59:54 |
| [slm] Sorry I don't know about the Islamic pov...but since you ask....I don't think that praying where she used to sit is "neddah" (I don't even really know what the word means...but just because someone sits somewhere, it doesn't become unclean.) As for making non-muslim friends.....uhoh that's a WHOLE new can of worms. :) SF. |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| wafa |
| 01/30/03 at 01:22:09 |
| Well ThankYou very much The Original..I think I should better tell more about the situation coz really I am so upset..A hindu girl *accidently* became my friend.She often visits my house,though really I don,t feel comfortable with her of course as I feel with my muslim friends but as she lives in my neighbour and a good girl,I don,t have enough courage to tell her that I am no more your friend coz you are not of my religion.we don,t have any talk on religion at all.one of my muslim friend told me that we can,t make them friends,they are *nijjas* (not Pure) we cant eat their eatables.We can,t go to their homes.They can,t use our things..all these..now I am so worried what to do,should I ask her simply don,t come to my house? Now I think my whole things which she used as they should be washed once..what should I do..plz someone with quranic verses or Ahadiths help me sought out this problem? |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| sister2sister |
| 01/30/03 at 02:04:29 |
| Salaam Wafa As far as I can say ( i'm not a religious scolar or anything) she can't be a "friend", but you can associate with her. 4:144 O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? 5:55 Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). Your Friends are the believing muslim men and women. I don't think the hindu girl is najas (dirty) to the point where you can't pray where she has been unless she was wearing dog hair or pig skin. I also don't believe you should just drop her like a bad habit, think of it as a way to give dawah. When she is at your home, let her see how muslim women conduct themselves, let her watch you pray, during ramadan, let her have an iftar with you and other muslim girls. Nowadays many people have the wrong idea about Islam, it's up to us to change those views. >they are *nijjas* (not Pure) we cant eat their eatables.We can,t go to >their homes.They can,t use our things..all these.. I don't fully agree, yes, we have to be careful when it comes to food since non muslims do not adhere to halal food traditions, but that would also cuts out all fast food restaurants. Explain to her your concerns, I have friends and family who are not muslims yet go out of their way to accomodate muslim eating habits. If you don't want to eat at her home then it's up to you, you don't have to. But you should try to explain to her what's up. She can use your things, but like all untensils and etc, wash then afterwards. If you feel they are najis, then wash them seven times (the amount if you come into contact with something najis). Remember, she's also a creation of Allah (SWT) and may be guided to Islam if it is presented in a good way. Allah knows best. Your sister in Islam :-) |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| jannah |
| 01/30/03 at 02:05:51 |
| slm, I don't know what you mean by share her eating and drinking? Eat from the food she serves at her house? I would think it was ok as long as everything was allowable for a muslim. I've never heard of a place becoming nejasah because of where a person sat? As for friends...true that is a whole other can of worms, there's alot of issues to consider like the affect she may have on you and so on, but on the surface I don't see much wrong with with having someone as an acquaintance or someone you talk to or hang out with occassionaly in the spirit of dawah.. BTW the verses always mentioned about not taking "friends" both use the word awliya which is more like protectors. |
| 01/30/03 at 02:09:00 |
| jannah |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| medina |
| 01/30/03 at 07:33:15 |
| As far as I know we can't eat from them. Of course I am not a scholar or anything but this is what I was told. The reason for this it seems is because Hindus worship Idols (many of 'em) make sacrifices to them and so on and so therefore that's how there food now becomes haram to us [quote]we don,t have any talk on religion at all[/quote] Why?.........As a Muslim its your duty to tell her about the religion. Don't you think? Concerning your other concerns I can't comment on them becoz I don't know. Why don't you ask your Imam or someone with knowledge? They should be able to better inform you insha'Allah |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Fatimah |
| 01/30/03 at 07:46:14 |
| [slm] i found this :) Question: Can Muslims eat in restaurants owned and directed by people who are not worshipping Allah? For example, Chinese restaurants. Keeping in mind that the type of food in these places is not HARAM in itself but the people making this food are KOFFAR. Answer: Al-hamdu lillah (praise be to Allah). There is no objection for a Muslim to eat from food that a kaafir (unbeliever), whether polytheist or otherwise, has cooked, as the issue of cooking does not involve slaughtering according to Islamic guidelines so that we would require the person to be from ahl il-kitaab (People of the Book) among the kuffar. In fact, it is only a matter of cooking, so the only issues that concern us are cleanliness and the avoidance of najasa (impurity), and likewise that nothing haram (forbidden) is mixed with the food such as khamr (wine or alcoholic beverages) or lard. May Allah protect us from harm, evil and the things he has forbidden (al-muharramaat). Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com) |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Fatimah |
| 01/30/03 at 07:55:08 |
| [slm] [quote]If you feel they are najis, then wash them seven times (the amount if you come into contact with something najis)[/quote] this ruling is only for dogs. a lot of things are najas, yet we dont have to wash them 7 times. :) wa Allahu Alim |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| jannah |
| 01/30/03 at 07:58:20 |
| [quote] The reason for this it seems is because Hindus worship Idols (many of 'em) make sacrifices to them and so on and so therefore that's how there food now becomes haram to us [/quote] I think we should we be careful with this. We're not talking about food slaughtered by Hindus.. that would be different. |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Fatimah |
| 01/30/03 at 08:25:45 |
| [slm] I went through all my fiqh books and im not seeing anything that says a place or thing becomes impure because a non muslim touches it. I do know non muslims are spiritually impure, but this has nothing to do with something becoming impure because of them. how could a muslim man marry a non muslim if everything they come in contact with becomes najas? it doesnt make sense. :) wa Allahu Alim. |
| 01/30/03 at 08:26:31 |
| Fatimah |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Maliha |
| 01/30/03 at 08:51:34 |
| [slm] Sis Wafa, I commend you for wanting to be careful as to who you associate with, but I would like to really urge you *not* to stop being friends with the Hindu girl. You never know why Allah brings people in our lives, and you may be the source of guidance and inspiration for her. I encourage you to talk to her about Islam, monotheism and how it all makes sense. She is your neighbor afterall and the Rasul [saw] told us that our neighbors have a right over us. It will be devastating for all dawah purposes or even on a simply human level for you to shut her out just because she is non Muslim. Be kind and hospitable to her, show her the best of being a Muslimah, that is your role. There's nothing that makes a human impure, except actual impurities. The Rasul [saw] said any where we pray is pure except that which contains obvious najas such as urine etc. We wouldn't be able to pray in sidewalks, parks, malls, etc if anywhere a non Muslim sits on makes it impure. As far as food, Hindus are vegeterians, so you can partake of their food if she invites you to it. Don't eat any meats of course, but anything else is okay. My advice is be open and kind to any human being, for you never know your impact on them. If you feel that she may be detrimental to your imaan/faith than still be cordial and kind to her. Never shut doors on anyone's face, for you never know, you may be closing doors to an opportunity of a lifetime. May Allah continue to guide you and bless you (Amin). Sis, Maliha :-) [wlm] |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| wafa |
| 01/30/03 at 11:30:15 |
| Thanks A lot sister2sister,Jannah,medina,Truth finder,and sweet Maliha.I am really gr8ful to all of you and much more confident now in dealing with her..Inshallah..At least now I am fully confident that it doesn,t matter if I read Quran on that sofa where she sits. ;D May Allah help me to make that stage come when I give her Dawwa with all of my abilities.Inshallah.Plz remember me in your prayers. [slm] |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| AyeshaZ |
| 01/30/03 at 23:22:35 |
| walaikum aslam wa rhamtullah, Something similar happened to me this week, I ran into an old high school friend. I have been seeing her on campus for the past 2 and half year but whenever we run into each other we say hi and always ask each other " Did you see anyone from high school?" But subhan'Allah just this week i ran into her and we were just talking the normal talk, the weather sucks blah blah and suddenly she invited me to join her for dinner in the cafeteria , on normal circumstances i would refuse or something always comes up but this time i was also heading to the caf and was starving, so i joined her. I had a class in an hour and had plenty of time to catch up , she used to sit on our table in high school, it use to be another muslimah Chrissie and I and she learned a lot about Islam, many times my other muslim friend and i thought she was not getting anything but last time when i ran into her was in ramadan and i told her i was fasting and she remembered. So at any rate now she sternly told me that we will meet in the library every tuesday and eat dinner before my one class, and I was being very hesitant said an awkward yeah cuz can't really lie you know :-[ .. i was like darn in my heart i am gonna be stuck with her this entire sem and all shez gonna talk about is J-Crew but all we spoke about was MSA at dinner cuz she had seen me at the dawah tables etc , so i am really excited that Allah(swt) has blessed me with this da'wah opportunity and insha'Allah Allah(swt) will open her heart and guide her to the straight path but i went through all your emotions that man my iman will go down or what if she rubs of me but alhamdullilah i am strong :-) but you know that shaytan but i hope that i can leave an impact on her insha'Allah!!! Also, another thing happened to me this week, my lab partner this really really typical blond is really really smart surprisingly :P, but is really funny and goofy she asked me stuff about where i am from and what languages i speak and other things. and suddenly said " Kaifa halauk"? he he i was like wohhh thats about the only arabic i know ;D but went off about her ex- boyfriend and that he was from xhgjkh muslim country and all he taught was the swear words, this type of situation always kills me :( >:( :'( I plan to tell her more about Islam insha'Allah..This week has been an dawah filled , alhamdullilah.. Sorry for going off on a tangent!!! waslamu alykum, |
| 01/30/03 at 23:36:01 |
| AyeshaZ |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| kandahar |
| 01/31/03 at 04:39:53 |
| salam wafa, first of all i would like to say that no human being is impure unless they ACT impure. an adulterer is impure. a thief is impure. an abuser of any kind is impure. but no one can be judged as impure because of their religion; frankly, it sounds pure racism. imagine u had a hindu friend and u were very close to her, how would u feel if she suddendly told u that she had decided to drop your friendship cause u are a muslim so u are impure? i have born into an atheist family, and i have met muslim friends who were open-minded enough to share their time with me, and in this way i learnt about islam and i learnt that everybody has born muslim after all. if they had thought that i wasn't worth to be with cause i was impure, i would have never had the opportunity to learn such things. if u are sure and convinced about your din (religion) u shouldn't have any fear of hanging around with any friends; i think that the people whose din is not so consolidated and well grounded, THEY are the ones who avoid contacts with the kafir people, cause they think that their religion is constantly "in danger". excuse me if i was some harsh, but i have been to bosnia and have bosnian friends and i know where this kind of separatism "i-don't-want-to-stay-with-them-cause-they-are-impure" "my-neighobor-and-i-can't-live-together" leads to: indifference, hatred, and, in that case, the genocide of muslims people. i suggest u to read the hadith of the Prophet (pbuh) about relationships with other people; i give u just two: 1 union between people is a kind of mercy 2 separation between people is itself a pain (as u see, He talks about PEOPLE and not about MUSLIMS) and i also suggest that u (maybe with your friend) see the beautifull movie GANDHI in which u wil see that muslims and hindus can live together if love prevails |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Traveler |
| 01/31/03 at 06:46:01 |
| [slm] I'm glad this question finally got resolved as I get a bit disappointed when I get to hear these sort of questions. Not that I object people asking them, just the fact there are people who are unsure on how they should conduct themselves around a non-muslim. |
| Re: Hindu friend |
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| Fatimah |
| 01/31/03 at 17:37:49 |
| [quote]first of all i would like to say that no human being is impure unless they ACT impure. an adulterer is impure. a thief is impure. an abuser of any kind is impure. but no one can be judged as impure because of their religion; frankly, it sounds pure racism.[/quote] and what action is more impure than associating with Allah? [i]“Verily, the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure)” [al-Tawbah 9:28][/i] From what i read, the meaning of this verse is that they are spiritually impure, not physically impure. You can touch a non Muslim or they can touch you and they will not make you or what they touch impure, as this is a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. wa Allahu Alim :) |
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