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| jaihoon |
| 02/16/03 at 04:38:38 |
| How many MUSLIM capitals does one notice in the report? Is there no concern in the hearts of the Muslim populated states or their leadership? If there are 2 million protests in London and Rome (the tarditional seats of Christiandom), why at least there isn't half of it in the harems of Islamic culture? Or is it we are too occupied with the worship of Lord, that we have no time or concern for the millions to suffer in the war? :( --------------------------------------------------------------- Millions march in global protest against Iraq war (AFP) 16 February 2003 LONDON - Up to 10 million people waving banners and chanting anti-war slogans jammed streets across the world yesterday to oppose US plans to invade Iraq, in one of the biggest global peace protests in history. Protests were held in more than 350 cities around the world, including Bangkok, Cairo, Istanbul, Johannesburg, London, Moscow, Paris, Rome, San Francisco and Toronto. In London as many as two million demonstrators, according to organisers' estimates, snubbed Prime Minister Tony Blair's support of Washington while Italians said a massive "no' in a rebuke to Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's backing of the hardline US stance. Demonstrators set US flags ablaze in Islamabad, capital of Pakistan. "Dropping bombs on Iraq is not the way to go about securing the safety of our country," American movie star Susan Sarandon told reporters in New York ahead of a demonstration expected to draw 100,000. "Bush: hands off Iraq," read one banner in Moscow. The combined estimates of demonstration organisers around the world put the total out demonstrating at some 10.5 million, while police and other official estimates suggested something more like 7.7 million. Across the Middle East, hundreds of thousands raged at US policy, with gun-toting protesters filing through Baghdad, and rallies in Syria and Lebanon. More than two million people marched in London, according to organisers. Police put the figure at 750,000, saying it was the biggest ever in London. Several hundred thousand marched across France, with between 100,000 and a quarter of a million parading in Paris. Protesters from almost across the political spectrum rallied behind the slogan "No to war against Iraq, yes to a world of justice, peace and democracy" in a total of 72 towns. Rallies fired up in cities across Europe, the Middle East and Asia with protest marches from Zagreb to Calcutta, Damascus to Hong Kong. New York was the focal point of a national United States day of action marking the largest display so far of US public opposition to a military strike on Iraq. Organisers said more than 100,000 people took part in the New York protest. In Berlin, half a million people, ranging from schoolchildren to pensioners, turned out for one of the largest rallies held in Germany since World War II. In a rare sign of unity in Israel, 3,000 Jews and Arabs marched together in Tel Aviv. Some 200,000 Syrians demonstrated in Damascus, with one banner reading: "Axis of Evil: America, Britain, Israel". In Iraq itself, two massive anti-war rallies filled Baghdad streets, with many protesters carrying guns. More than three million people rallied in Spain's largest cities of Madrid and Barcelona, according to organisers. In Moscow, several hundred Communists protested at the US embassy, brandishing banners saying: "Bush, hands off Iraq" and |"Bush go |away, you are Hitler today". In Athens, violence broke out on the sidelines of a demonstration, with rioters throwing Molotov cocktails at a government building. Rallies were reported in dozens of European cities, including Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Sofia, Bern and Brussels, with up to 100,000 in Dublin, and tens of thousand across Scandinavia. Thousands of South Africans, including three government ministers, lined the streets of Cape Town, bearing placards saying "Bombs kill babies" and "There's a terrorist behind every Bush". In Asia, schoolgirls, writers, peaceniks, lawyers and trade unionists were among some 3,000 Pakistanis who marched against war on Iraq, burning US flags. Some 10,000 people marched through Kolkata, while rallies were also reported in Hong Kong and Tokyo. More than 100,000 people protested across Australia, the only country apart from Britain to have sent forces to the Gulf to join the US military build-up in preparation for war against Iraq. Tens of thousands turned out in Belfast, Northern Ireland, to demonstrate against war. "No war for oil," read one banner. "No war in our name," said Mairead Maguire, a leading activist in the search for reconciliation between the estranged Roman Catholic and Protestant communities of the divided British province. A group also demonstrated in Algiers, where demonstrations are banned because of the emergency security situation in Algeria. |
| 02/16/03 at 04:39:10 |
| jaihoon |
| Re: the IRONY behind the protests |
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| A_Stranger |
| 02/16/03 at 17:07:28 |
| As-salaamu 'alaykum, Demonstrations are usually completely useless. Maybe those Muslims who "...are too occupied with the worship of Lord..." just don't feel like begging the [kaafir] gov. (who, I must add, don't really give a toss 'bout the Iraqis) to stop attacking their brothers. *shrug* Its good to be open-minded, innit. Peace. Ps. Let's not start a 6 page thread 'bout the pro's & cons of demo's please. No one listens anyway...they just wanna scream their point of view across and then sit back and feel like they've done something for the Ummah. =) |
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| panjul |
| 02/16/03 at 22:57:44 |
| [slm] Demonstrations are usually completely useless. Congresswomen Shelia Jackson Lee sent a representative from her office to the rally in houston and said that as long as they (the protestors) were behind her then she would do all she can on her part to ensure that this war doens't take place. My district's congressman Gene Green promised us, (a delegation of about 10 people, including me), that as long as his constituents support him and the word on the street, (that's referring to the protestors), is against war and they will be behind him then he will not vote for any war resolution .and will voice his opposition in Congress. And he agreed to say on the house floor that Bush should "let the inspections work." Maybe those Muslims who "...are too occupied with the worship of Lord..." just don't feel like begging the [kaafir] gov. He was referring to Muslims residing in Muslim countries. They sure can tell their leaders not to bend down to the U.S., can't they? I always find it amusing when people say stuff like that, who are living in non-muslim countries, (kaafir countries). Who live and enjoy first wolrd comforts of kaafir countries and whose money they get (in forms of paychecks of course), whose clothes they wear, and whose food they eat, (obviously they don't import their meals for the day from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia); but who don't like to "beg" them to stop bombing innocent people. You don't have to beg, you can shout, you can yell, OR you can make your point in a very sophisticated and honored way. |
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| A_Stranger |
| 02/17/03 at 15:07:38 |
| As salaamu 'alaykum, [quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1045388318;start=0#2 date=02/16/03 at 22:57:44] [slm] Demonstrations are usually completely useless. Congresswomen Shelia Jackson Lee sent a representative from her office to the rally in houston and said that as long as they (the protestors) were behind her then she would do all she can on her part to ensure that this war doens't take place. My district's congressman Gene Green promised us, (a delegation of about 10 people, including me), that as long as his constituents support him and the word on the street, (that's referring to the protestors), is against war and they will be behind him then he will not vote for any war resolution .and will voice his opposition in Congress. And he agreed to say on the house floor that Bush should "let the inspections work."[/quote] *shrug* What's this got to do with anything? :) Maybe those Muslims who "...are too occupied with the worship of Lord..." just don't feel like begging the [kaafir] gov. [quote]He was referring to Muslims residing in Muslim countries. They sure can tell their leaders not to bend down to the U.S., can't they?[/quote] Pffftt! [quote]I always find it amusing when people say stuff like that, who are living in non-muslim countries, (kaafir countries). Who live and enjoy first wolrd comforts of kaafir countries and whose money they get (in forms of paychecks of course), whose clothes they wear, and whose food they eat, (obviously they don't import their meals for the day from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia); but who don't like to "beg" them to stop bombing innocent people. You don't have to beg, you can shout, you can yell, OR you can make your point in a very sophisticated and honored way.[/quote] Ya see, sis, people don't *choose* to be born in certain places. The next option would be to get the hell outta there right? Well ya see, sis, some people don't yet have the means to do so. So they have no other option BUT to eat their food, wear their clothes (?), take their money, etc. Lol, and what good does yelling ever do? The fact of da matter is, most of todays goverments couldn't really care less what the peoples' views are. Yup. I agree; you CAN make ur point in a very sophisticated and *clear* way. So, next question would be: how? I woulda thought the answer was quite obvious, innit. |
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| Sabr |
| 02/20/03 at 07:31:02 |
| [quote author=Jaihoon link=board=ummah;num=1045388318;start=0#0 date=02/16/03 at 04:38:38]How many MUSLIM capitals does one notice in the report? Is there no concern in the hearts of the Muslim populated states or their leadership? If there are 2 million protests in London and Rome (the tarditional seats of Christiandom), why at least there isn't half of it in the harems of Islamic culture? Or is it we are too occupied with the worship of Lord, that we have no time or concern for the millions to suffer in the war? :( [/quote] Jaihoon why do u question the lack of demonstrations in muslim countries bro? What is wrong with being ocupied in the worship of allah ..the all hearing, all seeing, all knowing ....standing in the night ..begging and weeping out of fear for him ..pleading for his mercy for the Palestanians , Iraqis , Afghanis , Bosnians and praying for the unity of the ummah .? Do u think Bush and Blair cares about public opinion ? Who would u rather plead to .....not to allah ? ! Isn't our best weapon our dua ? [quote author=Jaihoon link=board=ummah;num=1045388318;start=0#0 date=02/16/03 at 04:38:38]Or is it we are too occupied with the worship of Lord, that we have no time or concern for the millions to suffer in the war? :( [/quote] This is a very strong statement brother ..and i find it disheartning that u will make such a comment . Because they don't demonstrate they have no concern ?! ??? ??? Isn't it the way of the muslims to raise their hand in dua and bow their heads in sujood and plead to their lord?! And Panjul I find it "amusing " how ppl are so quick to judge others :o Wassalam Sis Sabr |
| 02/20/03 at 07:35:23 |
| Sabr |
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| jaihoon |
| 02/20/03 at 14:12:24 |
| [quote author=Sabr link=board=ummah;num=1045388318;start=0#4 date=02/20/03 at 07:31:02] Jaihoon why do u question the lack of demonstrations in muslim countries bro? Sis Sabr[/quote] Abu Saeed Al-Khudri reports that he heard the Prophet saying: “Let any of you who sees something wrong put it right with his own hand. If he is UNABLE to do so, let him change it by the word of MOUTH . If he cannot do even that, then let him do it within himself. This is the *WEAKEST* form of faith.” (Related by Muslim). :( Living in a *muslim* country is dumb when u can only express your faith in the WEAKEST faith. |
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| bhaloo |
| 02/20/03 at 23:45:07 |
| [slm] [quote author=Jaihoon link=board=ummah;num=1045388318;start=0#0 date=02/16/03 at 04:38:38]How many MUSLIM capitals does one notice in the report? Is there no concern in the hearts of the Muslim populated states or their leadership? If there are 2 million protests in London and Rome (the tarditional seats of Christiandom), why at least there isn't half of it in the harems of Islamic culture? Or is it we are too occupied with the worship of Lord, that we have no time or concern for the millions to suffer in the war? :( [/quote] I think practically all of the Muslim people in these countries do have concern for Iraq, but they are scared of the terrorist activities being carried out by the United States government and the oppressive regimes that they live in that were put in power by the US government. Here was an article on this: http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=ummah;action=display;num=1045802179 |
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| jannah |
| 02/20/03 at 23:55:06 |
| [wlm] Also remember that most Muslims are under dictatorships. They live in fear of the secret police and being put on these watch lists and all the other things that happen to dissidents. The reason there were 200,000 protestors in Damascus was because the government supported it. If they didn't I doubt there would have been any. |
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