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| Leslie |
| 03/02/03 at 03:38:46 |
| [slm] I was wondering how most of you would respond to someone who says that the problem of honour killings "is exacerbated by the Islamic precept that women are not capable of controlling their sexual urges". I saw this comment written recently, and would like to write a rebuttal to the author. Are there any ahadith that might be useful to include? thanks in advance [wlm] |
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| Dude |
| 03/03/03 at 04:44:57 |
| Leslie, From another Vancouverite... That's offensive enough to seek the author out, drop the gloves, and give him a shiner. Or, tell Todd Bertuzzi the author said something offensive about his wife. Curious...where did you read this article? One of the local rags? |
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| Leslie |
| 03/04/03 at 02:43:13 |
| [slm] [quote author=Dude link=board=madrasa;num=1046594327;start=0#1 date=03/03/03 at 04:44:57] Curious...where did you read this article? One of the local rags? [/quote] Nope, a Toronto one: The Globe and Mail [url]http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030301/BKHONO//?query=zeitoun[/url] In the same paper, there was also this one (which I hadn't yet seen when I first posted): [url]http://globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030301/COWENT1//?query =margaret+wente[/url] Both articles state that honour killings are a cultural, not a religious, phenonmenon, but both go on to implicate Islam in these crimes. I don't think the authors even noticed their bias. |
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| BrKhalid |
| 03/04/03 at 05:28:21 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]I was wondering how most of you would respond to someone who says that the problem of honour killings "is exacerbated by the Islamic precept that women are not capable of controlling their sexual urges".[/quote] There’s an Islamic precept which says that women are not capable of controlling their sexual urges ??? I think clearing up this falsification would be the first port of call. |
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| Dude |
| 03/04/03 at 11:13:49 |
| [quote]It is exacerbated by the Islamic precept that women are not capable of controlling their sexual urges.[/quote] I would write to find out who quoted him that particular statement. I, personally, haven't ever heard of that, but [i]culturally[/i] it seems that that perception would fit right in with the idea of honor killing. Maybe it is more of a cultural sentiment unique to that area? Pretty weird. In any event, I'd pen a strongly worded letter, telling the author that he implies that this perception is held across the entire Islamic community, which engulfs in it a significant number of different cultures. He should clarify his statement (i.e.: "It is a percept by the law makers of Jordan, who rule under Islamic law, that...") Just a couple of suggestions. |
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| se7en |
| 03/07/03 at 15:51:23 |
| as salaamu alaykum, I would say this: Misogyny is not limited to any specific religious or ethnic group and sound-minded individuals from all belief systems should condemn acts of violence towards women as cowardly and immoral. The Quran in many places condemns oppression and the mistreatment of women as reprehensible. No where in the teachings of the Quran or in the tradition of Muhammad [saw] does it say that women are incapable of controlling their sexual urges. In fact quite the opposite is the case, as women are described as the spiritual equal of men, and both men and women are instructed to control their sexual desires and manifest them only in the committed relationship of marriage. Islam teaches that every human being endowed with an intellect and with the ability to discern between right and wrong, whether male or female, will be called to account for the deeds they choose to commit. No where in the Islamic scripture does it say that women are more inclined towards wickedness, evil, or uncontrollable sexual desire than men. In fact it's interesting to note that it was only with the influence of Christian doctrine in the ninth and tenth centuries that these ideas began to even appear in Islamic scholarly debate. Muslim women who choose to dress in modest clothing are making the statement that they wish to be determined by their intellect and character, not their physical appearance, and they choose to withold their sexuality except to a select few. It is ironic that some Orientalist scholars interpret this dress to mean a woman has no control over her sexuality, when in fact it is quite the opposite. Honor killings are criminal, evil acts that are condemned by Islam, a religion that teaches that every human being, male or female, black or white, old or young, has the right to dignified treatment and respect. I am offended by your inaccurate presumption that somehow Islam condones this behavior or encourages it. A distinction needs to be made between cultural ideas and values and those promoted by a specific religious tradition. I urge you to take it upon yourself to understand the faith that 700 million women choose to profess before making such claims. |
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| se7en |
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| Dude |
| 03/08/03 at 05:07:42 |
| That is one of the most well written, articulate, and intelligent posts I've read on these forums. In fact, it is probably the best. I don't disagree with one thing you wrote. |
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| Rameeza |
| 03/11/03 at 14:48:40 |
| [slm] Masha Allah seven, as a sister in Islam I have to say that I very very highly impressed! You may have a pepsi on me any time! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] |
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| se7en |
| 03/20/03 at 23:16:54 |
| as salaamu alaykum, You'd be suprised what you can come up with when you're angry :P thanx for the [] ;) sis leslie, please keep us updated on what happens. wasalaamu alaykum |
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