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| The Inevitable War and Qadr |
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| ummfatima02 |
| 03/19/03 at 11:34:48 |
| [slm] This post is not to argue Qadr, we all know that this subject is a difficult one and we believe Allah will is the most wise. This post has to do with the fact that many innocent Muslims will perish in this upcoming war. I feel so bad. I feel so helpless ::) I know it was already written But one has to ponder and reflect what could this all mean? I was in the laundry room at my apt complex and two older white American women were chatting about the War starting, and how we really should have been there two months earlier. They want a war! >:( When I think about what is about to befall, I get chills down my spine. Because of what our hands are sending forth. If we reep what we sow, What are we sowing? Does anyone else think about the repercussions of our actions? I get so depressed about the war. It is as if someone has took my heart out and there is nothing inside. I'm just existing. How can I not cry for those innocent Iraqis? How can I not feel sorry for the thousands of people who will be directly affected by this war? While I'm sitting here in my air-conditioned home with clean water and I don't have to worry about bombs dropping on my head! My heart and dua goes out to them, for this war was inevitable, and Allah is the Most Wise and I will put my faith in him to guide All the Muslimeen to the Straight Path. DOES ANYONE OUT THERE FEEL THE SAME WAY?? holler back! [wlm] Ummfatima |
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| humble_muslim |
| 03/19/03 at 11:48:09 |
| AA Yup. I feel the same way. I try and take it out by cynicism (see my post in the Ummah forum). |
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| Rameeza |
| 03/19/03 at 16:28:28 |
| [slm] Oh gosh, YES, I am so depressed lately, that I can't seem to enjoy anything. I am scared because I feel that we will face some anti-muslim, arab etc sentiment and who knows what else. Yet, I feel bad because I have been reading up as much as I can on all the problems in the middle east etc and it seems like justice has never even been attempted. So these innocent people who we are placing in harms way are going to pay the price , yet again. Plus people are talking about 'wanting a war' without even knowing much about these countries and their history etc. This depresses me further to think that our highly 'vocal' majority are the ignorant. This scares me too. I know that all that happens is ALlah's will and that nothing can happen if he does not allow it but it does not keep me from feeling like a knife is twisting in my stomach every time I envision the things that I read about the experiences of these people in Iraq, Palestine etc. I sometimes wonder when their test in this life will be over? I sometimes wonder if this is Allah's warning to them and a lesson for us... I have heard that Allah either tests us or punishes us. Many of us have treated our faith so callously that I sometimes wonder if it is Allah's wrath that we are feeling. May Allah forgive us if it so. |
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| ummfatima02 |
| 03/19/03 at 16:59:15 |
| [slm] Yes, I have read many articles about the incidents that happen to us being either punishment or test. I cannot help but feel as though the test that may befall us may be way stronger and a heck of a trial. I mean, when I look at it from a logical point of view, why should our test be extremely easy??? WE enjoyed freedom without worry for such a long time that I feel that the time will come when we have to get our share. What goes around comes around. But when it comes around, do you ever wonder what it may be? A nuclear bomb? a long score of terrorist attacks? Maybe the real test for the Muslims would be the surrounding of our enemies around us everywhere. No place to run no place to hide. Our mosque doesn't even have any plans for security! I expect there will be a backlash of anti-muslim attacks. There is a growing dissent among americans that feel this war should spread to all Muslim countries like Iran, Syria, and ultimately Saudi Arabia. Does anyone ever feel like leaving the US had there been a scholar issue the fatwah that all Muslims must side with each other? ??? \leaving probably never entered our minds! We think that US would never round us up like cattle on the pretext of 'security' What is most scarry, is the uncertainty of what the future holds! I am often plagued with the thought of getting out of dodge before it's too late. What am I waiting for? Why am I still here? for the wealth? a comfortable life while other Muslims are deprived off all basic needs? Allah help us! Or am I being Paranoid?? :-[ You decide- Holler Back [wlm] Ummfatima |
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| Muneerah134 |
| 03/19/03 at 17:17:56 |
| [slm] Oh am I so glad to know that I am not alone! I have combatted the depression by the knowledge that Allah is Merciful and will take care of things. I have also rented movies and have limited my time spent watching TV. I refuse to watch the news and television and only listen to the web based broadcasts. I do not want to do what people have done through time. Watch carnage and cheer. The colosseum, the French Revolution, and in our time when some Americans brought picnic baskets to lynchings. To watch so-called "surgical strikes" while people die is like we get our food here. Under plastic, no notion of what death really looks like. I too am concerned by our procilivity to clap folks in concentration camps at the slightest notice - indeed, many of our fellow Muslims are already there. I believe in Qadr, I believe in Allah, and I am grateful to have been born and raised here, and to have been guided to be Muslim. I am most saddened though by the truths that have come out of this. That my government is no better than any other, they don't listen to all the people and act in our best interest, they control the media and thus most public opinion and that they are driven by greed for territory and oil. Not exactly a rude awakening (we already know these things), but a necessary one. I know though that we can pray for everyone, including ourselves and ask for Allah's help in the tests to come. Allah answers prayers. MashaAllah with His help we will be okay. :( Muneerah :( |
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| Maliha |
| 03/20/03 at 09:30:47 |
| [slm] there is nothing much to say...except make lotsa duahs to Allah to protect all of us and especially our brothers and sisters in the line of fire. I am falling into a deep depression, but i think that's everyone's feeling right now :'( I believe in Qadr, but I also believe our own hands wrought this madness we are in. We did not stand up for justice, we have forgotten our obligation to enjoin good and forbid evil, we have failed to be Allah's vicegerents on this earth, instead we have fallen into the comfortable lull of bread and milk searching activities that have blinded our sight, and numbed our senses. We needed a wake up call. And you would think this is the one...but what are our leaders doing? The Arabs leaders are twidling their thumbs while scores of Muslims are being Slaughtered. This is incomprehensible! This is outright InJustice >:( But there's nothing i can say here, that no one already knows. It's just my way of venting...forgive me. Sis, Maliha [wlm] |
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| Rameeza |
| 03/20/03 at 11:19:52 |
| [slm] I could not sleep last night, after I saw that special report on TV and heard the bombings. I watched it twice, then I switched the TV off. I come from a country where I have seen people die from these types of incidents and I had a time keeping those visuals at bay last night. I could not stop the tears falling because I could just see it. I watched the Presidents address and his claim to not having any 'expectations' from Iraq made me feel so bad. And the common opinion on the war made me feel worse. Yet, I could not get angry at the people here because I know how much kindness I have seen in these people. And I know that it is their ignorance or brain washing by their media that leads to these ideas. Thus I remembered the time when the Prophet PBUH was attacked by the people of Taif. Instead of cursing them he asked Allah to spare them in the hope that their following generations will embrace Islam. I am trying to see this country in the same light. And trying to pray that like Umar and Hamza PBUTB for the prophet we will also have some strong influential reversions that will help our community in the future, Insha Allah. Yet like sister Maliha has said , we need to become active in voicing our concerns to the right people. May Allah guide us. |
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| theOriginal |
| 03/20/03 at 11:29:13 |
| [slm] I hate it. There's so much chaos, and I fail to understand it. Anything I say will be inadequate to express my feelings. What angers me even more is my conscious distance from the war. I mean isn't it a Hadeeth that states that if there is ONE person in the Ummah who is suffering, it's bad for the ENTIRE ummah. (something to that effect?) Last night I was watching the news, and after an hour I left to go study for a test....I felt so selfish. I don't know. Wasalaam. |
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| Tesseract |
| 03/20/03 at 13:37:11 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote]Last night I was watching the news, and after an hour I left to go study for a test....I felt so selfish.[/quote] Indeed the situation is very frustrating and painful for the whole ummah. There are lessons to be learnt, there are intentions to be renewed and there is much more to come tomorrow (if it comes by the Will of Allah). I too feel very distracted these days specially during my studies, but whatever we are doing today, we should make the intention/du'a that May Allah make something come out better for the whole ummah when we are done with it. Don't limit ur intentions to doing something that will benefit u or ur family only, even though u may feel like that such thing cannot benefit others. Allah has His own ways of bringing out good from anything. InshaAllah, always try to intend to do something that will benefit at large. Good intentions have their own rewards. Wallahu A'lam. MAy Allah (awj) help us all become better Muslims and may we prove to be of much benefit to our ummah (Ameen). Wassalam. |
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| rajullunyas-aa |
| 03/20/03 at 15:23:00 |
| [slm], i feel thesame even though i am in nigeria with million of miles away from iraq.but take it or leave it we should all be with them literarilly and figuratively,in spirit with prayer and by distancing our selves from sins,because one of the ingredient needed to win a war is by not comiting sin and by showing totally that you are powerless. let all muslim weep,anyone with an atom of faith in his or her mind is bound to shed some tears and who knows some tears do really seem effective even at the sight of ALLAH. |
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| ummfatima02 |
| 03/20/03 at 17:31:01 |
| [slm] I know how you all feel. Allah reward you all for returning my post. As I went outside my house today, I felt crummy. I don't really watch TV, just Public TV (very conservative). But then, I went to the bank to have something notarized, and on the TV in the bank were scenes of complete and utter chaos in baghdad. When I saw the buildings exploding, the smoke from the fire, I felt as though someone punched me in the stomach. And then when the lady came to sign it, her name was Sandi ISRAEL. I felt dizzy and confused. It was as thought I was in one of those buildings in Iraq. What can I do? I feel this incredible urge to just roll over and die. I've been tryong to justify and justify and justify why it is important fo me to continue my studies and go to work and etc.., but I feel lik a fool. Everyone was looking at me, wherever I was, Like I'm the enemy. Like as though they were fighting my family over there. It all makes me feel like noone cared for any of those innocent casualties and chldren being blown to bits. May Allah make things easier for us to see ""Oh Allah, Make me see things how they really are Masalaam, Ummfatima |
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| hanna |
| 03/21/03 at 12:43:26 |
| salam alikum . Im tooo depressed like everyone else here . I wish i cud do sumthin ..i wish i cud but that aint happenin ..all i can do is pray ...i feel hopeless I just cant take this anymore ..i dont know for how long i can survive the depression ...coz its severe :( May Allah destroy the kuffar and help the iraqis Ameen Wassalam |
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| Ameeraana |
| 03/21/03 at 13:52:12 |
| salaam aleikum wa rahmatu Allah, I have been depressed and sad also. It has also made me think a whole lot lately. I often wonder about the sufferings of our brothers and sisters. Whatever happened to fighting for our oppressed brothers and sisters? I wonder how our Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Unto Him) would feel about us right now? And in the Qur'an in one of the footnotes where it says that Muslims will continue to suffer until all Muslims unite and have one Khalifa amongst us all. When will this happen? It should be happening now!! Ameera |
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| Rameeza |
| 03/22/03 at 01:57:14 |
| [slm] The muslims are being attacked but I feel it is a time to look within us and not without us. Are we in a position to point fingures at anyone? Like Isaa PBUH said, those who are free of sin cast the first stones. We have soo much room for improvement that I feel we need to pray for forgiveness, mercy and Imaan for us and our fellow muslims before we even begin to ask for help in these worldly affairs. I feel that when we are a better UMMA and like the sister AMeera said have a khalif for the whole UMMA we will be victorious. AMeen. Now our UMMA has the likes of ppl who kill many innocent civilians etc to fight their opression. They dont realize that even when the prophet PBUH was in dire straights he had just and fair wars. Insha Allah we will soon get such high class leaders to lead us. Ameen Ammen Yarabbul alameen |
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| ummfatima02 |
| 03/22/03 at 19:49:04 |
| [slm] Somehow I find it impossible to just put it all off on Muslims, although I do agree that the condition of the muslims says a lot about the leaders that rule over them. I am extremely curious as to the age old question of punishment vs tests. It's difficult to say what the people of Iraq are going through as of the Muslim world also. But sometimes I have to ask myself, is it the Qadr of Allah that allows every group of people go thrpigh some form of torment and hell one generation or the other??? Take for instance, The African slave trade. Millionsof Africans sold for the pleasure of their masters to do as they please woth them. Especially the Arabs, they had a very good profitable future off of African slaves, and this was even during the tome pf Islam. Did all those children and innocent women and men who were rounded up like cattle and sold and beaten (again by Arabs along wth other slave traders). That is hell also! But now, the situation has turned and the people leading the oppression on the other side of the world and now the arabs people are getting the share of the horrible fate of one people being singled out to be treated like dogs. Doesn't seem like a fair assessment. But if someone would explain this same thing to you, would you think that this may be likely? Masalaam, Ummfatima |
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| Emerald |
| 03/22/03 at 21:08:57 |
| Salam Aleikum. I can understand how everyone feels. BUT I have decided that I'm going to cut back on watching the news specifically. Yes I may be in the dark about what's going on in the world - especially with Muslims, but I also believe that the news is as harmful to my mental being just as much as watching a violent movie. I've just about had it with all the murders, rapes, kidnapping's, etc! About what is going on in Iraq now kills me. I cannot stand the fact that my Muslim brothers and sisters are being murdered to be so called "liberated". It just doesn't make sense. With all the power, the US has, it just doesn't have the ability to get a hit man and whack Saddam....but I digress...My point is I know what is happening, I know I can't change it, I know it's Allah (swt) will....but I also know that I CAN change myself and that's the only way any of this can truly end. Watching it on tv will only have hate and anger grow within me and that is NOT what a Muslim should be right now, so why allow it to happen? There's a graater plan here Allah (swt) has for us..we have to believe in that. We also have to be patient and steadfast in prayer and with Allah's mercy we will one day be as we once were. I never let sadness conquer my heart but I always have hope. For those who die innocently there, Allah (swt) may reward them with something better than life - al janneh. Insha-Allah. |
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